Mini Contra Anti Original Metaphysics Recidivist Plagiarism Attempt Notice

September 4th, 2024

A metatphysics that took me an embarrassing year number to craft has suffered a mass scale metaphysics plagiarism attempt by the purported Scott McGann . . .

This conceptry means a lot a lot A LOT a lot to me & I ask for that much more proportionate PROTECTION & help planting those ‘broccoli seeds’ were they ought to be planted . . .

⸻ Valentyn_Joe
USA_Minnesota
2024_{September_4^th}

A New Currency Concept

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June 28th, 2024

I posted a very Liked concept for a new currency that is time – literally hours & minutes & the Like – that I will respread here:

https://t.co/nZBYsGumXY: I have writ a new currency concept: as we grow in culture, as we grow in technology, we are gaining more leisure time – for socialization, for the blogosphere & watching videos – for personal life deedery; (cont.)
— JOE VALENTYN (@joevalentyn) June 22, 2024

(The X.com post is from 2024_{June_{22^nd_{pm_12:00}}}.)

Here is the verbatim spread content in case the X.com posts suffer bitrot or something:

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http://X.com: I have writ a new currency concept: as we grow in culture, as we grow in technology, we are gaining more leisure time – for socialization, for the blogosphere & watching videos – for personal life deedery; (cont.)
JOE VALENTYN
@joevalentyn
(cont.) this new currency unit is not fiat currency, nor de facto currency: it is time – manhours – people’s lives they can share with you.
Time as a currency is something everyone has, & that still each person’s worth – including for other people – is different. Time (cont.)
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(cont.) is a better currency than gold & silver & a better currency than fiat currency like the dollar or euro . . . & better than a new Japanese computer currency. It is perhaps the purest currency . . .
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(cont.) In the earliest sketch for this, you would agree how long & when you exchange your personal Love, care, kindness, & niceness for some agreed product and/or service.

⸻ Valentyn_Joe
USA_Minnesota
2024_{June_28^th}

Life Philosophy: “Environmentalism” Concept As An Ethic

August 25th, 2024

A conversation!:

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:02’24”} <efex> btw I think it quite awesome that you self motivate so well ( as I have seen with your app development)

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:02’55”} <lakitu> oh . . . wow Thank you . . .

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:03’53”} <efex> I know how hard it is to self motivate for long projects without external forced structure.

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:04’16”} <lakitu> right on – I see that with what you do. Thank you!

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:05’52”} <lakitu> & that’s a direct hit: at least most other abilities, assets, prospects are not going to get you over the many, many obstacles you are going to have to fight thru: **motivation** is . . . I learned that a long time ago in life philosophy.

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:05’57”} <efex> Duly noted! really.. you just keep on like the proverbial energy bunny

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:06’02”} <lakitu> haha

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:07’23”} <lakitu> `efex`: one thing I noted was music was immediately gladdening: you form the right pattern: it’s Beautiful. yay

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:08’18”} <lakitu> with computer programming there’s more delay . . . I have estimated each code job to take on average 3 hours . . . it can be a lot of fussing

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:08’41”} <lakitu> before that test comes back working. it does – it takes more time still . . .

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:10’50”} <efex> It often takes a very long time to create music tho

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:11’34”} <efex> the delay can be months (&*^&%$^&

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:12’24”} <efex> coding however is it’s own thing I see

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:13’53”} <lakitu> one thing computer programming has taught me is the ‘environmentalism’ approach: early investments in the design can reward you handsomely; think getting a calendar or clock accurate . . . otherwise how many people will have their time off the deviation * how many repetitions . . . prevention is worth 300X cure . . .

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:14’53”} <efex> early design is critical to both

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:15’11”} <lakitu> & more – I’m saying I learned this for Life!

{central U.S. time CDT (-0500) pm 09:15’28”} <efex> that too! I can accept that

⸻ Valentyn_Joe
USA_Minnesota
2024_{August_25^th}

What Is Making America Fat? Synthetic Chemicals, I Suspect.

August 20th, 2024

For years I have nurtured a suspicion that synthetic chemicals are making American Women & men pack on the pounds – & make them ridiculously hard to lose.

Synthetic chemicals are on average more toxic than we think – & fat is the major player in what stores toxins: the more synthetic chemical toxins we ingest thus the more fat we use to store these toxins. Our fat is how we deal with these toxins, in large part.

This is not an announcement that these chemicals have no other hurtful effects.

Yet this is one thorn in our side that has eluded us for decades.

Thoroughly research the healthiness including fat-storing response to synthetic chemicals. I wonder that our Women will get their hott bods back.

⸻ Valentyn_Joe
USA_Minnesota
2024_{August_20^th}

The Ruby At The Center Of “The Book of Love” – A Love Dialogue By Joey Valentyn, June The 26th, 2021

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June 26th, 2021

In this dialogue I am lakitu. This dialogue is spontaneous; the first & fourth parts are slow, the second & fourth parts are the reason I post this:

{02:46:10 pm} <lakitu> shopping for coffee online in-between things the last couple days… kind of a new modern twist on coffee fandom for us coffee aficionados: sorting thru 20,000 brands to find the one, true, best whole-bean pouch our vested belief in like, Google coffee-blog search-result #3’s recommnedations can buy us… sort of like a medallion hunt or something,

{02:46:10 pm} <lakitu> that elusive, great coffee taste we’ll be drinking maybe a couple times a day. is it in Key Largo Much Grounded whole-bean Sumatra, San Jose’s Felicimo Arabica blend? we will never know, there’s only 20,000 brands to try. but I still will feel strongly: this tasty cup is probably basically the best the money can buy, haha.

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{02:47:45 pm} <lakitu> …no one really knows – there’s 20,000 brands…

{02:51:43 pm} <lakitu> a small-town coffee blogger accepted a small sugaring of free beans, monetary kickback, sister-site links for his produced confession of the best bean having been found, 10,000 of us over time scan over his site lol

{02:57:24 pm} <lakitu> I’m being more comical, in my mind, than critical. these little peccadilloes being pointed out; it’s like making fun of your little sister for her dress being way hiked up funny – some minor chuff in her style that is more risible than anything.

{03:00:08 pm} <lakitu> some minor hiccup

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{03:06:50 pm} <lakitu> some cowlick in your little brother’s hair.

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{03:07:30 pm} <lakitu> –when I was young my hair stood straight up. I looked like someone you’d nickname “Sparky”.

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{03:08:05 pm} <lakitu> – straight up. most of my pictures are with my hair as a 1, 2 year old slicked back, because of my Mom wanting it to be down for pictures

{03:08:15 pm} <lakitu> but it stood straight up.

{03:08:25 pm} <lakitu> bright blonde.

{03:08:33 pm} <lakitu> bright/white blonde.

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{03:09:27 pm} <lakitu> wb ControlFreq

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{03:09:51 pm} <lakitu> I’ll cats you up.

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{03:10:41 pm} <lakitu> (see pm.)

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{03:12:36 pm} <lakitu> wb artalien_

{03:12:43 pm} <lakitu> I’ll cats you up too!

{03:12:52 pm} <ControlFreq> I have a friend I call Sparky because I helped him design a radio.

{03:14:35 pm} <lakitu> some spark-gap element, or?

{03:14:47 pm} <lakitu> I was born with nearly a full head of hair too. the nurses attributed this to my Mom eating peanut butter as a food she craved during pregnancy.

{03:15:08 pm} <ControlFreq> Nope. On small ships, with one radio tech, he or she is usually called Sparky

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{03:15:25 pm} <lakitu> ha!

{03:17:25 pm} <lakitu> My Mom craved fish & peanut butter & pineapple, with me.

{03:18:03 pm} * lakitu makes a little cartoon of a menu in a fetus’s hands in the womb . . .

{03:18:07 pm} <lakitu> “I’ll have the fish!”

{03:20:11 pm} <lakitu> they say the omega 3s with fish are important for a carried baby’s emotional development thruout life. also prevents allergies or somesuch

{03:21:54 pm} <lakitu> (just got to avoid the species laced with methylmercury . . . )

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{03:27:54 pm} <lakitu> mbog did not have that good sternum of stamina… he hailed a lifeboat & jumped ship

{03:27:58 pm} <lakitu> wb Sioux!!

{03:28:29 pm} <lakitu> good weekend– evening, right?, for you?

{03:28:52 pm} * lakitu joking with his phrasing there

{03:28:53 pm} <lakitu> btw

{03:29:47 pm} <lakitu> a little bit of wrestling with your brother, re mbog’s lacking endurance

{03:31:29 pm} <lakitu> *intestinal fortitude* *laughing*

{03:31:48 pm} <lakitu> I think that’s what I was (playfully) thinking of

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{03:33:29 pm} * lakitu prepares some clips of big teutonic grunting & gritting, to demonstrate his approach re emanating fortitude immanently from the intestines

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{03:33:38 pm} <lakitu> from the intestine

{03:33:53 pm} <lakitu> wb Rags.

{03:35:32 pm} <Ragtime^> 10 Q lakitu

{03:35:55 pm} <lakitu> heh.

{03:36:39 pm} * lakitu in a laughy mood

{03:39:21 pm} <lakitu> (1,-2-year-old*)

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{03:43:43 pm} <lakitu> (1-, 2-year-old*)

{04:01:14 pm} * lakitu pours another espresso

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{04:16:16 pm} <LionClan> hello

{04:16:28 pm} <lakitu> ‘ Lincoln.

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{04:28:54 pm} <lakitu> https://pastebin.com/ZaaqtrnF

{04:28:55 pm} <zhan> Mumbo-jumbo (June 26th, 2021; a scroll for Lionclan) – Pastebin.com

{04:28:58 pm} <lakitu> a scroll for you

{04:50:03 pm} <lauraaahNOpm> Hi

{04:53:27 pm} <lakitu> hey

{04:54:15 pm} * lakitu rounding up yard varmints in one of his programming modules – trying to wrap up

{04:55:01 pm} <lakitu> how are you?

{04:55:41 pm} <lakitu> up to anything this weekend day? maybe evening for you?

{04:55:49 pm} <lakitu> I guess it would probably be night

{04:56:34 pm} * lakitu scratches this chore– another time

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{05:10:40 pm} <lakitu> here is my latest dialogue: https://joevalentyn.org/press/2021/06/24/psychiatric-persecution-the-citizens-commission-on-human-rights-the-cchr-thomas-szasz-britney-spears-ovid-god-almighty/

{05:10:50 pm} <zhan> Psychiatric Persecution: The Citizens Commission on Human Rights (The CCHR), Thomas Szasz, Britney Spears, Ovid, & God Almighty ⸻ Heart, Joe Valentyn

{05:13:16 pm} <lakitu> parts ii & iii now included.

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{05:28:03 pm} <lakitu> think I’ll go & forage for some jerky from the store room.

{05:39:16 pm} <lakitu> …the abode is like a fallen angel: a man who desireth a woman from afar, while she is locketed with some scarcely deserving man. one of Life’s most common taboos is to dare to cross a line drawn by a girl’s main stang, to first begin to court her favor . . .

{05:41:43 pm} <lakitu> …the abode is ‘like a fallen angel’s*

{05:44:37 pm} <lakitu> …& her: she must feel like a First-Nations girl, caught between present & potential tribe, prances & shows of force… jerkies & pelts…

{05:47:18 pm} <artalien_> Bionic ma

{05:47:50 pm} <artalien_> Bionic man is jumpim thru the telly vision ser

{05:47:54 pm} <artalien_> set

{05:48:09 pm} <artalien_> Guess who’s coming next

{05:49:16 pm} <artalien_> man V midgie https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OrogvmBv/20210626_234854.jpg

{05:50:19 pm} * artalien_ is a victim of a cruel mother

{05:50:26 pm} <lakitu> oh no

{05:51:07 pm} <artalien_> hehe, 2 bottles of cider and I’m good to go

{05:55:27 pm} <artalien_> I had an action man that had gripping hands

{05:55:49 pm} <artalien_> I tied him to a huge elastic band and lauched him into forever

{05:57:40 pm} <lakitu> …that’s good, heheh…

{05:58:11 pm} <artalien_> https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/152770612329790710/

{05:58:12 pm} <zhan> Pin on Greatest Fictional Spacecraft

{05:58:59 pm} <artalien_> I also had one of those but a ruffin took it and covered it in snot, he was making an unconscious social statement I figure with hindsight

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{06:00:37 pm} <artalien_> https://youtu.be/GWiM6gcxKVw

{06:00:38 pm} <zhan> UFO Theme [Remastered] by DanTheMan 2150AD [1m8s – 11k views ? 203 ? 1 (99.51%) – 1.5y ago]

{06:02:13 pm} <artalien_> Now if that doesn’t make you want a hair cut you may be dead

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{06:04:38 pm} <lakitu> …a man is ‘like a religionformer, only with sacrament keepsakes, the highest ritual ethos in work, provide, keep up – mortal priestly sins & of the utmost meaningfulness: the Holy Love with his deified: his mistress. the feminine member of this does not disappoint – granting him assuages to what riddles him – sapient teachings, even – ecstatic Divine experiences, & a whole code of ethics to carry & key himself to . . .

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{06:24:00 pm} <lakitu> a little like a uncontacted tribe member spiritualizing their special divinity.

{06:27:37 pm} <lakitu> …their higher power…

{06:28:58 pm} <LionClan> https://boredomtherapy.com/buzz-aldrin-moon-landing-photo

{06:28:59 pm} <zhan> Buzz Aldrin Opens Up With The Real Story About The Iconic Moon Landing Photo

{06:34:48 pm} <LionClan> I’m sure they went into low earth orbit I believe that part of the story

{06:35:17 pm} <LionClan> The rest of it, not so much.

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{06:42:55 pm} <lakitu> & so it is a great malevolence – *to him* – for another man to broach offering himself to her, perhaps a hope of a tryst where they can be alone, deep in the subtext of his song before her; some gleam that, almost always to the devout man’s surprise, his Highest commutes the offense of, showing a conciliatory sign to the two: an adorer, not an enemy… an adorer, not an enemy… but for men such is outside them, they do not soak in the

{06:42:55 pm} <lakitu> salts of comforting, of soothing, of curing odium & grief

{06:44:58 pm} <Ragtime^> Trump is the most interesting person in politics.

{06:52:40 pm} <lakitu> so a befuddled man in sin is beguiled as the suitor eagerly claims his gains, the Precious not guarding her responses to receiving the affections of two admirers in one court, knowing the violatory instincts toward other suitors of her longtime dedicated.

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{07:14:08 pm} <lakitu> & vignettes like this are the only breathing room a man doing the spywork of persuading a girl to come to his side; a 5-word summary of fiscal splendors, earning potential – a sultry look in your best ‘cut, best raiments – a supposedly-ambient song especially adolescent men mean the world by . . . & such espionage is by one not ultimately respectful & weary to the main stang’s perturbability – her supper conversation were it to come up

{07:14:08 pm} <lakitu> – his own crassness at the handling of such a little baby-bird romance in a potentially tumultuous affair such as when you’re doing this: broaching the lines drawn by a winsome Diviness’s heavily-armed stang; cover is light, moments are fleeting, opportunities are expensive, rapport with people in her party is countervailing. but is a labor of Love.

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{07:35:10 pm} <rzewski> secret channel now?

{07:35:22 pm} <MartyMcFly> Trump is responosible for 600,000 deaths

{07:35:22 pm} <rzewski> is too much reality sneaking into your delusional safe space

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{07:57:43 pm} <LionClan> hi John Guru

{07:58:31 pm} <JohnGuru> hi LionClan

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{08:02:42 pm} <kblom> hi john

{08:03:19 pm} <JohnGuru> it’s been a somewhat arduous day here. Gray, at times windy, and rain rain rain, lots of rain. Sinus congestion, adding a certain amount of labour to the general dreariness

{08:04:05 pm} <JohnGuru> the nice thing about this hour is that it brings a sense of normalness

{08:04:40 pm} <JohnGuru> routine suggests everything is okay/. By having a routine, we are encouraged to think the world will go on forever

{08:04:44 pm} <LionClan> I use Alka Seltzer Cold and Flu for nasal congestion. Doesn’t spike your blood pressure like some antihistamines.

{08:05:07 pm} <JohnGuru> oh, I think I may have that, LionClan. I will try it

{08:05:14 pm} <JohnGuru> I bought it and then never opened the package

{08:05:30 pm} <JohnGuru> I always liked Alka Seltzer, though

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{08:06:22 pm} <LionClan> Sinus congestion can interfere with sleep, so I take that before my naps

{08:06:29 pm} <JohnGuru> *nods*

{08:06:35 pm} <JohnGuru> yeah

{08:07:07 pm} <JohnGuru> I use Diphenhydramine. It’s cheap when bought in the generic form, by name

{08:07:24 pm} <JohnGuru> and the main ingredient of most antihistamine OTC’s

{08:07:32 pm} <LionClan> Please stop.

{08:07:47 pm} <JohnGuru> what? why?

{08:08:24 pm} <LionClan> If you tell your doctor, do you know what he would tell you? He would tell you please stop

{08:08:36 pm} <JohnGuru> oh I don’t think so

{08:08:54 pm} <JohnGuru> I think he’s the one who suggested it to me

{08:08:57 pm} <MartyMcFly> circadian rythym the sign of the blind watchmaker perhaps

{08:09:22 pm} <MartyMcFly> newtonian clockwork universe

{08:09:41 pm} <kblom> they had a cartoon character ‘Speedy’

{08:10:37 pm} <JohnGuru> Newton’s clockwork universe dominted science & philosophy for 250 years

{08:10:56 pm} <JohnGuru> but then it passed away when science shifted the ground to statistics

{08:11:19 pm} <LionClan> Newton told the world about his solar observations, in particular the apparent position is behind the actual position

{08:11:27 pm} <MartyMcFly> logic and order in the universe is comforting

{08:11:33 pm} <JohnGuru> the average person is still living in the shadow of Newton’s image

{08:11:47 pm} <JohnGuru> sure it is

{08:12:39 pm} <JohnGuru> statistics is used to explain why the universe looks deterministic ;)

{08:13:17 pm} <JohnGuru> it’s so — counterintuitive

{08:14:18 pm} <JohnGuru> Marty, if you would do the honors tonight. Lead the discussion. I can take a break

{08:14:44 pm} <JohnGuru> I think you can do it

{08:15:21 pm} <MartyMcFly> thanks, what topic should we do?

{08:15:47 pm} <JohnGuru> free will

{08:15:52 pm} <JohnGuru> or big bang theory

{08:16:08 pm} <JohnGuru> or ethics, what is the foundation of ethics

{08:16:29 pm} <MartyMcFly> order vs chaos

{08:16:37 pm} <JohnGuru> automation. Are we digging our collective grave with robots?

{08:16:45 pm} <JohnGuru> sure, order vs. chaos. I’m fine with that

{08:17:06 pm} <MartyMcFly> bbiab

{08:17:48 pm} <JohnGuru> maybe order is a particular flavor of chaos

{08:17:53 pm} <MartyMcFly> need a bite

{08:17:54 pm} <kblom> I believe kant would disapprove of the role of probability and statistics in modern science

{08:18:11 pm} <JohnGuru> kblom lol, you think so?

{08:18:31 pm} <kblom> john yes

{08:18:33 pm} <JohnGuru> that’s not much of a speculation, kblom mydear

{08:19:17 pm} <JohnGuru> Kant’s work was very much in the direction of finding the ground of things. He wanted the apodictic

{08:19:57 pm} <JohnGuru> I even bought his thin little book, the Ground of ..

{08:20:10 pm} <kblom> the apodeiptic

{08:20:38 pm} <JohnGuru> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundwork_of_the_Metaphysic_of_Morals

{08:20:38 pm} <zhan> Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals (1785; German: Grundlegung zur Metaphysik der Sitten; also known as the Foundations of the Metaphysics of Morals, Grounding of the Metaphysics of Morals, and the Grounding for the Metaphysics of Morals) is the first of Immanuel Kant’s mature works on moral philosophy and remains one of the most influential in the field.

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{08:21:46 pm} <JohnGuru> so. yes.

{08:21:55 pm} <JohnGuru> hey nine, oh nine oh

{08:22:32 pm} <JohnGuru> ap·o·dic·tic

{08:22:33 pm} <JohnGuru> Learn to pronounce

{08:22:33 pm} <JohnGuru> adjectiveFORMAL

{08:22:33 pm} <JohnGuru> clearly established or beyond dispute.

{08:22:45 pm} <kblom> is that where he says science must be apodeictically certain?

{08:23:03 pm} <JohnGuru> uh, I don’t think so

{08:23:18 pm} <JohnGuru> unless it snuck in as a very brief mention

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{08:24:02 pm} <nine> hey JohnGuru

{08:24:09 pm} <nine> sorry, kinda crazy here

{08:24:31 pm} <nine> i watched that Logical positivism video today

{08:24:35 pm} <nine> i didn’t understand any of it

{08:24:37 pm} <JohnGuru> oh yes?

{08:24:41 pm} <JohnGuru> oh no

{08:25:03 pm} <nine> well, i’m not that good at understanding a couple of brits saying all that stuff

{08:25:31 pm} <JohnGuru> damn. I wish I could help, but I have no idea what trips you up

{08:25:35 pm} <nine> can you nut-shell it for me?

{08:25:55 pm} <nine> i mean, he seemed to be talking about some book he wrote and how the world took it

{08:25:58 pm} <nine> i got that i guess

{08:25:59 pm} <nine> a little

{08:26:04 pm} <JohnGuru> logical positivism started as a movement to clean up philosophy

{08:26:15 pm} <nine> i understood already that they want everything to be proven

{08:26:22 pm} <nine> like… scientifically, i guess

{08:26:23 pm} <JohnGuru> that’s right

{08:26:34 pm} <JohnGuru> nothing should be held to be true unless it could be demonstrated

{08:27:08 pm} <JohnGuru> if I wanted to assert that that woman (pointing) and I are married, there should be a way to demonstrte that it must be true

{08:27:22 pm} <nine> a piece of paper maybe

{08:27:27 pm} <JohnGuru> obviously, holding up a marriage certificate would not do it, because that’s a claim by authority

{08:27:32 pm} <nine> does that really prove anything? right

{08:28:05 pm} <nine> i dunno what it even means to “be married” anymore

{08:28:14 pm} <nine> something legal

{08:28:25 pm} <nine> something that can affect reality by rule of law

{08:28:38 pm} <JohnGuru> on the other hand, the act of marriage does not make any changes in the body, so there’s no way to determine marriage by physical inspection

{08:29:05 pm} <JohnGuru> thus, logical positivists would determine that marriage is a meaningless concept, and they would root it out of our discourse

{08:29:15 pm} <kblom> positivism is like the meaning of a proposition is its method of verification

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{08:30:10 pm} <JohnGuru> *nods*

{08:30:47 pm} <JohnGuru> nine, that’s an example of the main reason why logical positivism failed. It sounded good in principle, but it ws like falling on your sword to cute a head cold

{08:30:49 pm} <JohnGuru> cure

{08:31:07 pm} <nine> heh

{08:31:15 pm} <JohnGuru> it nullified too much of the world we live in

{08:31:15 pm} <kblom> john russell and wittgenstein were both great logical posivists

{08:31:20 pm} <nine> yeah, even the guy didn’t seem to have much faith in it

{08:31:23 pm} <nine> the interviewee

{08:31:29 pm} <JohnGuru> right

{08:31:52 pm} <Ragtime^> That was a great speech.

{08:32:00 pm} <JohnGuru> kblom, I know everybody says wittgenstein was a positivist, but I don’t agree. I don’t think he was. He had a strong mystical streak in him

{08:32:00 pm} <nine> grr

{08:32:01 pm} <nine> brb

{08:33:01 pm} <JohnGuru> he was eminently capable of describing the world as a logical positivist would see it, and that’s mostly what he did in the Tractatus, but he also broke with it in that same writing

{08:33:17 pm} <JohnGuru> for example,

{08:33:20 pm} <JohnGuru> “6.41 The sense of the world must lie outside the world. In the world everything is as it is, and everything happens as it does happen: in it no value exists–and if it did exist, it would have no value.” — Tractatus

{08:34:05 pm} <JohnGuru> so you might ask how Wittgenstein thought value entered the question, if it’s not “in” the world

{08:34:57 pm} <JohnGuru> and there’s also

{08:35:00 pm} <JohnGuru> “6.372 Thus people today stop at the laws of nature, treating them as something inviolable, just as God and Fate were treated in past ages. And in fact both are right and both wrong: though the view of the ancients is clearer in so far as they have a clear and acknowledged terminus, while the modern system tries to make it look as if everything were explained.” — Wittgenstein, Tractatus

{08:35:49 pm} <JohnGuru> “5.43 Even at first sight it seems scarcely credible that there should follow from one fact p infinitely many others , namely ~~p, ~~~~p, etc. And it is no less remarkable that the infinite number of propositions of logic (mathematics) follow from half a dozen ‘primitive propositions’. But in fact all the propositions of logic say the same thing, to wit nothing.” — Tractatus

{08:36:01 pm} <JohnGuru> dismisses mathematics with one wave of the hand

{08:36:49 pm} <JohnGuru> okay, sorry. wb MartyMcFly

{08:36:51 pm} <nine> i don’t understand that last statement

{08:37:10 pm} <JohnGuru> nine, ~ is a symbol meaning ‘not’

{08:37:25 pm} <JohnGuru> so you have p, and not not p, and not not not not p

{08:37:34 pm} <nine> pppp

{08:37:42 pm} <JohnGuru> *nods*

{08:38:57 pm} <nine> i dunno if i like philosophy anymore

{08:39:16 pm} <nine> is there any of it that makes sense?

{08:39:45 pm} <JohnGuru> well, it all makes sense to me

{08:40:04 pm} <Ragtime^> nine: If you start with Plato, it makes sense.

{08:40:08 pm} <JohnGuru> there’s a lot I disagree with ..

{08:40:17 pm} <nine> i should probably just stick to what’s in front of me.

{08:40:32 pm} <nine> ooh is val

{08:40:36 pm} <nine> no, he’s not here

{08:40:54 pm} <JohnGuru> valet_zwiiii?

{08:41:16 pm} <nine> btw my first novel is available in paperback format on Barnes-n-Noble’s website

{08:41:18 pm} <JohnGuru> haven’t seen him in a couple of days

{08:41:25 pm} <nine> ahh

{08:41:26 pm} <nine> ok

{08:41:40 pm} <JohnGuru> okay, thanks nine. I’ll check it out

{08:41:54 pm} <JohnGuru> is it available for kindle?

{08:42:06 pm} <nine> ya, let me get the link

{08:42:55 pm} <lakitu> & a new, baby-bird romance is itself a deep topic.

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> Get Plunk now!

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> e-book

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> https://books2read.com/u/b5kEAp

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> paperback

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/plunc-domnul-tesh/1138706487?ean=9781735820224

{08:43:36 pm} <lakitu> for a new mother & child, it is a the mother’s most special time; all care & coddling is lavished on her bundle of Holy Beauty & all-consuming Lovability;

{08:43:37 pm} <zhan> Available now at your favorite digital store!

{08:43:38 pm} <zhan> Plunc|Paperback

{08:43:45 pm} <nine> oops i coppied too much

{08:43:48 pm} <JohnGuru> thanks nine

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{08:44:02 pm} <nine> :)

{08:44:10 pm} <nine> valet wants to read it

{08:45:32 pm} <JohnGuru> who is Domnul Tesh?

{08:46:18 pm} <nine> Domnul means “mister” in romanian

{08:46:25 pm} <nine> TESH is my initials

{08:46:27 pm} <JohnGuru> oh!

{08:46:37 pm} <nine> i was in love with a romanian for a long time

{08:46:42 pm} <JohnGuru> that’s clever, so you have a nom de plum without revealing your name

{08:46:50 pm} <nine> hehe

{08:46:52 pm} <nine> yeah

{08:46:52 pm} <kblom> never heard of Domnul Tesh

{08:46:57 pm} <nine> HE is ME

{08:47:14 pm} <nine> i was so disappointed to find that I was not the only Tesh out there

{08:47:24 pm} <nine> there are a couple of women with that name, and one man.

{08:47:28 pm} <nine> (so far)+

{08:48:27 pm} <JohnGuru> I’ll see if we can keep it simple, nine

{08:48:45 pm} <nine> keep what simple?

{08:48:47 pm} <JohnGuru> there’s no need to push here into professional philo

{08:48:57 pm} <nine> huh?

{08:49:08 pm} <JohnGuru> well, you said you don’t like philosophy

{08:49:18 pm} <nine> well, i wouldn’t go that far

{08:49:27 pm} <nine> i loved the stuff about kant’s glasses

{08:49:31 pm} <nine> and a lot of other things here

{08:49:48 pm} <nine> i probably was exaggerating earlier

{08:49:54 pm} <JohnGuru> good :)

{08:50:05 pm} <nine> :D

{08:50:29 pm} <JohnGuru> I’ve been glad that there’s at least one channel regular who likes phiosophy

{08:50:38 pm} <nine> hah

{08:50:42 pm} <nine> i think there’s more than one

{08:50:49 pm} <nine> there’re?

{08:51:23 pm} <JohnGuru> well, I know kblom likes science

{08:51:41 pm} <nine> science suxors

{08:51:44 pm} <nine> heheh

{08:52:11 pm} <nine> ok, i’ll stop trolling now

{08:52:14 pm} <JohnGuru> I respect science, but it’s a very shallow subject

{08:52:20 pm} <nine> oh?

{08:52:38 pm} <nine> i mean, i think so, too, but probably for different reasons

{08:53:03 pm} <JohnGuru> it only goes skin deep. It attends to the visible, the demonstrable. Like we were saying about logical positivism, it tries to eliminate everything else

{08:53:31 pm} <nine> Mmm

{08:53:51 pm} <JohnGuru> Richard Rorty realized that science doesn’t necessarily exclude mysticism. He had a great lecture on youtube about the compatibility between religion and science

{08:54:48 pm} <nine> sounds like that dude and that other dude who are always arguing arguing.

{08:54:58 pm} <JohnGuru> yeah

{08:55:01 pm} <nine> i hate that my memory is so bad

{08:55:05 pm} <nine> you know who i mean?

{08:55:08 pm} <JohnGuru> mw roo

{08:55:10 pm} <JohnGuru> me too

{08:55:12 pm} <JohnGuru> no

{08:55:22 pm} <nine> imma find it

{09:00:36 pm} <JohnGuru> Dawkins?

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> brb

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> no

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> one’s kinda religious

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> the other not

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> I think I know who you mean

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> Christopher Hitchins and Ben somebody

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> they’re always arguing on youtube

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> nah… i’m still looking

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> one starts with a J

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> the other is religious

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> I’ve forgotten his name. He irritates the spit outa me, though

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> jordan peterson

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> and the other guy is religious

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> oh him

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> jordan peterson is interesting on religious topics but otherwise useless

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> i liked his assessment of how monkeys became men

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> or something

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> i should shut pu

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> up

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> oh yeah?

{09:00:37 pm} <kblom> every Ted Talks I heard on NPR was utterly devoid of content

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> lol nine

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> kblom, I gave up on TED talks long time ago

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> my time is up

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> gnight all

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> g’nite john

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> hey, you doing alright?

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{09:00:37 pm} <nine> guess so

{09:00:40 pm} <nine> hehe

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{09:00:55 pm} <kblom> bye john

{09:05:16 pm} <lakitu> for an enthusiastic romancer of a new courtship, there is nothing greater. all ships revolve around this locus; all roads lead to romance. he is in a state of having just struck gold – counseled by all his strengthy tendencies to be guarded – but sapping a rapturous syrup deeprooted within him, & ‘like an archer called to the games, a performance artist looking to land his every assail, to slay the goliath beast of her ignorance of him,

{09:05:16 pm} <lakitu> of the battlefield’s rumors against him, of his weaknesses for which he must compensate in her eyes. his conduct must be perfect, & uglinesses pain acutely at this time. he takes his pouches of risk & reward, balancing them for his best showmanship. she is ‘like an infant – & just ‘like a child not always the willingest – in his constant tending to her every desire – gathering the special woods for the special fires she, often enough

{09:05:16 pm} <lakitu> unspokenly, has interest in having for herself. riches require entrepreneurial research, nearly vain displays of demonstrating his compact with her, the realness of his word, the fervence of his foundry for her. power must flow thru the veins of – in challenges even encroaching on his sovereignty, his manhood. decorum, sobriety, elegance are like kings in your two’s class, making in her eyes a probably neverending ascent of the ladder of

{09:05:16 pm} <lakitu> society into higher-society. her tamping of the dream of fame she could eat the fruit of is a bittersweet thing to procure – he is not alone in her fame, but she is Beautiful, attractive, the most graceful to him, & if he has high enough hopes, he may alight her imagination with the potential of fame being bestowed on her.

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{09:06:30 pm} <valet_zwiiii> hya

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{09:07:58 pm} <lakitu> {09:07:24 pm} valet_zwiiii!*@* added to ignore list.

{09:08:07 pm} <lakitu> we get too many trolls.

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{09:11:07 pm} <lakitu> {“manhood” corrected to “manliness”:} for an enthusiastic romancer of a new courtship, there is nothing greater. all ships revolve around this locus; all roads lead to romance. he is in a state of having just struck gold – counseled by all his strengthy tendencies to be guarded – but sapping a rapturous syrup deeprooted within him, & ‘like an archer called to the games, a performance artist looking to land his every assail, to slay the

{09:11:07 pm} <lakitu> goliath beast of her ignorance of him, of the battlefield’s rumors against him, of his weaknesses for which he must compensate in her eyes. his conduct must be perfect, & uglinesses pain acutely at this time. he takes his pouches of risk & reward, balancing them for his best showmanship. she is ‘like an infant – & just ‘like a child not always the willingest – in his constant tending to her every desire – gathering the special woods for

{09:11:07 pm} <lakitu> the special fires she, often enough unspokenly, has interest in having for herself. riches require entrepreneurial research, nearly vain displays of demonstrating his compact with her, the realness of his word, the fervence of his foundry for her. power must flow thru the veins of – in challenges even encroaching on his sovereignty, his manliness. decorum, sobriety, elegance are like kings in your two’s class, making in her eyes a

{09:11:07 pm} <lakitu> probably neverending ascent of the ladder of society into higher-society. her tamping of the dream of fame she could eat the fruit of is a bittersweet thing to procure – he is not alone in her fame, but she is Beautiful, attractive, the most graceful to him, & if he has high enough hopes, he may alight her imagination with the potential of fame being bestowed on her.

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{09:19:39 pm} <Fixion> hey all, just thought I’d drop in and say hi anyway, since I’m clearly too late for the usual JG fiasco :)

{09:19:48 pm} <LionClan> hi Fixion

{09:19:58 pm} <Fixion> (note I was kidding about the whole fiasco thing)

{09:19:59 pm} <LionClan> Just missed him

{09:20:24 pm} <Fixion> so how’s things?

{09:20:52 pm} <Fixion> Valet of course not its IRC how would I see you?

{09:20:53 pm} <LionClan> hi zwiiii

{09:21:18 pm} <LionClan> Don’t let anyone make you give up metaphors

{09:22:08 pm} <Fixion> LC I find it can be enjoyable taking them literally instead at times

{09:22:44 pm} <LionClan> Speak literally when you are talking to someone that has a different native language.

{09:23:02 pm} <LionClan> That works very well.

{09:23:40 pm} <LionClan> Then you are fluent in English

{09:24:33 pm} <LionClan> The statement was meant to be provocative

{09:25:45 pm} <LionClan> Flemish Knights moved to Scotland and became Barons

{09:25:46 pm} <Fixion> the ground when you’re doing a handstand? (although scientifically speaking thats technically untrue given that up is relative to a centrifugal (or was it centripetal?) force…

{09:26:38 pm} <Fixion> Flemish? it sounds like perhaps you need to clear your throat?

{09:27:56 pm} <LionClan> Eggs butter milk cheese are good English, and good friese.

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{09:29:56 pm} <Fixion> the only thing I remember about dutch is its kinda similar in some ways to German but definitely opposite with its V’s and W’s… Germans have VolksVagons and Dutch have WolksWagons… or something like that..

{09:29:58 pm} <lakitu> & I myself, in telling this, did not avoid being a man: he & I both think of the big wins – she is looking for signs of a steady spigot more than a huge power-generating waterfall for her longer-term interest– there is an old joke about sex: men are firefighters & women are lawyers– but of course this can be quite the joy in a woman’s life, a man’s lavishing her with attention, eager & almost overeager to perform for her cravings,

{09:29:58 pm} <lakitu> desires, interests, even piqued curiosities – & this leads to one of the center rubies of my book, this dialogue will feature in: to answer the call of Love, which is this: to drink deep of the fountain of youth of immortal courting, & never leave that heaven of your Love.

Mini Contra Anti Religion Concept Recidivist Plagiarism Attempt Notice

August 15th, 2024

A favorite – most favorite? – concept has been attempted to be stolen by a recidivist plagiarist who goes so far as to try deceive me he independently discovered what I independently discovered . . .

Anti Life, anti Earth, anti church . . . & he’s a rapist.

Figures.

⸻ Valentyn_Joe
USA_Minnesota
2024_{August_15^th}

“That Was Big Of You!!” ⸻ Joe Valentyn’s Idea For Student Immersion in Real-World Emergency Testing of Mettle & Conscientiousness In Classrooms

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June 7th, 2021

Here’s a public birth of an immersive-testing school concept that had been developing in me for quite a number of years – the first part is more social ambience where the 2nd & 3rd parts get into the real childbirthing:

Without further ado: this is me, Joe Valentyn – “<lakitu>” – in a philosophy forum working thru my idea for edification, not education, thru “immersive testing” in schools:

{12:57:25 pm} <lauraaah> I’m so fed up with covid

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{13:34:11 pm} <fattratt_> Ok, we can talk about Murphy’s law and Betteridge’s law in the abstract.

{13:35:35 pm} <fattratt_> Betteridge’s law: “Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.”

{13:36:14 pm} <fattratt_> Murphy’s law: “Anything that can go wrong will go wrong”

{13:39:34 pm} <fattratt_> I’m not fed up with covid. Indeed I am still rather covid-obsessed.

{13:46:09 pm} <lakitu> hey lauraaah. recognize you from the other week ☺ welcome.

{13:46:15 pm} <lakitu> hey fattratt

{13:46:24 pm} * lakitu just has a little time to chat

{13:48:19 pm} <lakitu> (mm, new-coffeemaker coffee.)

{13:49:13 pm} <lauraaah> Hi :)

{13:50:17 pm} <lakitu> =D

{13:50:33 pm} <lakitu> great to have a new chatter around here (who isn’t a troll!)

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{13:50:53 pm} <fattratt_> I like to discuss covid while eating kale salad.

{13:51:07 pm} <lakitu> so, welcome.

{13:51:33 pm} <lakitu> (aw yeah! my coffeemaker counts as a espressomaker. ex coffeehouse patron/worker here)

{13:51:58 pm} <lakitu> (acquired the taste for espresso, & the ‘like. =D)

{13:52:48 pm} <lauraaah> I don’t like coffee

{13:52:50 pm} <lauraaah> Or tea

{13:53:01 pm} <lakitu> really?

{13:53:10 pm} <lakitu> are you straight-edge?!

{13:53:17 pm} <lakitu> – or is that too personal?

{13:53:28 pm} <lakitu> maybe that’s too personal…

{13:54:51 pm} <lakitu> I was having no psychoactives except for chocolate – but solidarity with people led me to pick up coffee again.

{13:56:07 pm} <lauraaah> I just don’t like the taste

{13:56:11 pm} <lakitu> ah.

{13:56:40 pm} <lakitu> works for me.

{13:56:59 pm} <lakitu> (your not liking their taste.)

{13:57:16 pm} <lauraaah> I like the smell of coffee tho

{13:57:48 pm} <lakitu> for me who does, this Moka pot makes very tasty espresso/coffee.

{13:59:25 pm} <LionClan> I set up a coffee house in Broad Ripple, it was quite an experience

{13:59:44 pm} <lakitu> yeah – you said that. Turtle something?

{14:00:47 pm} <LionClan> Turtle Island from a book of poems by Gary Snyder

{14:02:14 pm} <LionClan> Across the street from Karma Records, best record shop from the age of vinyl.

{14:02:16 pm} <lakitu> I remembered the name.

{14:02:44 pm} <ControlFreq> Hello Friends!

{14:02:56 pm} <LionClan> CF

{14:02:59 pm} <lakitu> hey Freq

{14:03:01 pm} <ControlFreq> Hello LionClan!

{14:03:05 pm} <ControlFreq> Hello lakitu!

{14:03:09 pm} <lakitu> a popular record store around here just closed.

{14:03:57 pm} * fattratt_ sips beeer

{14:04:26 pm} <lakitu> a few of my friends work at record stores. they tell me e.g. Record Store Day is coming up – in a week I think

{14:04:34 pm} <lakitu> a little less

{14:04:38 pm} <lakitu> I think it’s the 12th.

{14:04:49 pm} <LionClan> When we were running Radio Free Naptown, Karma would send us a crate of Records every week, if we’d just tell them what we like

{14:05:17 pm} <lakitu> in/near Indianapolis– right?

{14:06:10 pm} <LionClan> Are commune included several electrical engineers, more brains than your average underground radio

{14:06:47 pm} <LionClan> do you remember Nixon

{14:07:44 pm} <LionClan> When he was around anti-war messages were banned from the radio, and the FBI track down anti-war and anti-draft protesters

{14:08:59 pm} <LionClan> The same Authority they used to do that, is still being used to infiltrate protests.

{14:09:18 pm} <LionClan> So I’m not sure anything is changed

{14:10:45 pm} <LionClan> In radio, the talent and the salesmen go to completely different parties.

{14:11:00 pm} <LionClan> We’re not the same species, or some such

{14:11:34 pm} <lakitu> I’m more interested in well-roundedness, than just bRAINz these days. ‘like I was saying about schools not evaluating you for people skills, & creativity, vs. math/reading/etc.

{14:12:58 pm} <lakitu> I’m abstaining from politics LionClan. you’re free to discuss your political ideas obviously, but I’m just not party.

{14:13:41 pm} <LionClan> You asked, if you want shorter stories just say so

{14:14:01 pm} <lakitu> ha

{14:14:47 pm} <lakitu> I asked if “Radio Free Naptown” was in/near Indianapolis.

{14:15:17 pm} <LionClan> Where is Radio free naptown was a popular question for a while

{14:15:41 pm} <LionClan> Is very hard to tell, like impossible, because we are clever

{14:16:04 pm} <LionClan> Their best estimate, was in a tall building downtown

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{14:16:55 pm} <LionClan> We weren’t broadcasting FM, we were broadcasting shortwave.

{14:17:33 pm} <LionClan> The repeater picked up the short wave and rebroadcast it FM. From a tall building downtown.

{14:19:00 pm} <LionClan> Our intent was broadcasting to the Northern third of the townships in Indianapolis, and the many wealthy people north of there

{14:21:04 pm} <lakitu> & you were a DJ on this, you’ve told us.

{14:21:21 pm} <LionClan> We sampled coffee beans from all over the world, concluded everyone had tropical Mountain grown Arabica on their top five list

{14:21:48 pm} <LionClan> There were several DJs, some of them are still working as DJs

{14:23:23 pm} <LionClan> We had a similar sampler of hashes from all over the world, and each of them has their charms.

{14:23:28 pm} <lakitu> IRC– Undernet– is a little similar to a pirate radio station

{14:23:46 pm} <lakitu> altho it’s legal

{14:23:51 pm} <lakitu> IRC – Undernet.

{14:24:04 pm} <lakitu> but public communications.

{14:24:21 pm} <lakitu> of course this is DJing of the fittest

{14:25:01 pm} <lakitu> orate well & people will (hopefully) tune in.

{14:25:33 pm} <lakitu> except that IRC has been decimated, not least after what happened to the last major network.

{14:26:18 pm} <lauraaah> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/E5CImyxK/bitmoji-20180504091451.png

{14:26:38 pm} <lakitu> ok…

{14:27:42 pm} <LionClan> The Ku Klux Klan took power in American politics in the 1920s and held on to it for 40 years

{14:27:52 pm} <lakitu> nice having you here.

{14:28:52 pm} <lauraaah> Slightly early for bed. I want some chicken chicken mein first

{14:31:44 pm} <lakitu> me, I’m putting down my first espresso shots & going to try to choreograph a whole day, here.

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{14:32:47 pm} <lakitu> but not literally choreograph =D since we just met I’ll make it clear haha

{14:33:06 pm} <LionClan> Rancilio, the Italian cappuccino maker made espresso so fast it was already brewed before the oils got moving

{14:33:32 pm} <guerro> hi LionClan

{14:34:10 pm} <LionClan> No oils meant no acid, so we drink it chilled by the quart

{14:34:21 pm} <LionClan> hi g

{14:35:28 pm} <lakitu> I hung out with some coffee enthusiasts – coffeeshop owners, burr grinder designers, on #freenode, & they recommended a Gaggia brand machine for home espresso, if you’re serious enough about it

{14:36:49 pm} <lakitu> burr-grinder designers.

{14:36:56 pm} <lakitu> (*)

{14:39:07 pm} <lakitu> they said the grinder was more important, surprisingly.

{14:39:17 pm} <lakitu> getting at least a burr grinder…

{14:39:36 pm} <lakitu> freenode*

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{14:43:24 pm} <LionClan> It should be finely ground yes

{14:45:31 pm} <lakitu> but for example, you could write symphonies in school, & still get all F’s. or be the people’s choice for most personable dudette in your school, & not have your report card needle even move at all

{14:45:49 pm} <lakitu> for scoring, overall

{14:47:08 pm} <lakitu> you could defend against bullies for special needs kids, the disadvantaged – you might even be WORSE OFF report-card -wise.

{14:48:36 pm} * lakitu was going to school to be a teacher, but dropped out of college for it…

{14:50:20 pm} <lakitu> might be a Love genius, they could give you straight C’s. that’s four examples

{14:54:16 pm} <lakitu> & on that – say you had a “goodness” / being ethical / being moral / etc score: Conscientiousness’s spiritual battle is more like physical education in that you have to actually perform these pull-ups, push-ups, etc – you can’t just tick a box that says “I know to do 10.”

{14:55:28 pm} <lakitu> you have to perform at being good rather than just in a made up example be able to navigate to the right answer. it takes courage to resist bad influence, etc….

{14:59:18 pm} <lakitu> like the differencce between ticking a box that says “Write beautiful music.” & writing beautiful music. it takes more than just knowing to do it. actually doing it requires gifts & techniques beyond average ability levels.

{14:59:29 pm} <lakitu> beyond the average level of abilities.

{14:59:58 pm} <lakitu> ‘like the difference.*

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{15:05:54 pm} <lakitu> this is a little b****y of me to recommend, but imagine a school that had drills, except you didn’t know they were drills: e.g. someone has broke in; war has broke out; there was a chemical spill nearby – etc – again, pushing beyond the boundaries here, but: imagine that even teachers weren’t told yet whether it was real or not, & they had a emerge

{15:05:54 pm} <lakitu> ncy discussion with their class – the brave would be separated from the unbrave, the just from the unjust, etc –

{15:06:42 pm} <lakitu> & that could tell us– we’d tell them we were testing them afterward– who is really made of mettle.

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{15:16:52 pm} <LionClan> When I was growing up they had nuclear attack drills

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{15:17:09 pm} <lakitu> right – but did you know it was a drill, LionClan?

{15:18:01 pm} <LionClan> Incentive courses to put the idea into your head, you imagined nuclear war whether you thought this was it or not

{15:18:12 pm} <lakitu> ok, so they told you it was real.

{15:18:33 pm} <lakitu> ‘We’re having a fire drill today, I think at 2:45.’

{15:18:41 pm} <LionClan> Well you know very well they were telling us the threat was real

{15:18:42 pm} <lakitu> those are standard now.

{15:18:46 pm} <lakitu> haha

{15:18:58 pm} <lakitu> – haha

{15:19:26 pm} <LionClan> The modern version of that is the box cutter Arabs are going to get you, we’re supposed to believe that’s a threat

{15:20:16 pm} <ControlFreq> The biggest threat to the national security of the United States flies under the Confederate battle flag.

{15:21:05 pm} <LionClan> 1925 the Ku Klux Klan March from the capitol to the White House with hundreds of Confederate battle Flags

{15:21:29 pm} <lakitu> I’m talking about drills where you don’t reveal they’re real or not – a test, a…

{15:22:13 pm} <lakitu> an immersive test.

{15:22:23 pm} <lakitu> an immersion.

{15:22:32 pm} <lakitu> or immersive test.

{15:22:33 pm} <LionClan> The Confederate Battle Flag is a symbol of the Ku Klux Klan oh, not a symbol of the Confederacy

{15:23:18 pm} <LionClan> In the Confederacy the Battle Flag was used as a shroud for Fallen Soldiers

{15:24:21 pm} <ControlFreq> I do not see it as a racist symbol. I see it as a symbol of traitorous, treasonous bastards who rose up in arms against the lawful government of the United States. I took an oath to protect that government, and I do not like those who embrace its symbol.

{15:24:28 pm} <LionClan> If you’re wavering one of those around you’re supporting the Klan, which are murderous conspirators

{15:25:44 pm} <ControlFreq> When did the state legislatures in the South start flying the Confederate battle flag from thier state capitols?

{15:27:25 pm} * lakitu is resting his political loins; you do what you should.

{15:27:32 pm} <lakitu> –politically.

{15:27:44 pm} <LionClan> Let’s focus on the history of the Confederate Battle Flag in Washington DC. Confederate States of America never waved a Confederate Battle Flag in Washington DC, the Ku Klux Klan has waved thousands of Confederate battle Flags in Washington DC

{15:28:24 pm} <LionClan> In Washington DC, the Confederate Battle Flag is a symbol of the Ku Klux Klan.

{15:29:02 pm} <ControlFreq> The Confederate battle flag became a symbol of White supremacy on June 2, 1964. About a half dozen state legislatures hoist that from from their capitols the day LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act

{15:29:48 pm} <LionClan> The Ku Klux Klan marched hundreds of Confederate battle Flags down Pennsylvania Avenue from the capitol to the White House in 1925

{15:30:57 pm} <LionClan> You cannot distance the Confederate Battle Flag from racism in Washington DC that’s not possible.

{15:31:38 pm} <lakitu> to continue: gradually students would realize they are already immersed in several live, real-world crises that are just farther away, slow-drip leaked thru the media, or otherwise outside of their field of experience, that they could take up the causes of & try to battle in the name of.

{15:32:02 pm} <ControlFreq> I assign both values of the one symbol to anyone who embraces it. Treason and racism

{15:32:20 pm} <LionClan> Yes

{15:32:31 pm} <lakitu> yes to who LionClan?

{15:33:17 pm} <LionClan> That’s meta

{15:33:31 pm} <lakitu> ha

{15:33:40 pm} <lakitu> I take it you’re repsonding to Freq

{15:34:19 pm} <lakitu> – e.g. human trafficking

{15:36:21 pm} <ControlFreq> I think human trafficking is to broad a brush. There needs to be daylight between people who spend their life savings and beg to be smuggled somewhere and people who are kidnapped and transported for labor or sexual slavery.

{15:36:43 pm} <lakitu> sex slavery.

{15:36:49 pm} <lakitu> e.g..

{15:37:24 pm} <lakitu> is what I was going to continue with.

{15:37:32 pm} <ControlFreq> Please do

{15:37:40 pm} <lakitu> ((thanks.))

{15:45:13 pm} <lakitu> there are abducted women, teen girls, around, even in your state, who must have brave, just men & women taking up arms & technologies to free them – risking ourselves for investigations, for searches, even in firefights – to free them from their living nightmare they can’t escape, alone, or haven’t been able to yet – yet we’re shrouded from this re

{15:45:13 pm} <lakitu> ality; this immersive testing would be like smelling salts to awaken us to the fact that our tranquil peace can be upended by emergency – & there are people at most any given time suffering from one such emergency or another.

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{15:45:51 pm} <lakitu> people who could use our help, directly or indirectly.

{15:46:09 pm} <lakitu> but in a very real, not-just-text-in-a-Twitter.com-post way.

{15:46:41 pm} <lakitu> “BIO 302’s been shot!” that is not something you easily forget

{15:46:57 pm} <lakitu> depending on where you take the potential scenarios there.

{15:53:55 pm} <lakitu> as a limiting threshold, there is only so vigilant we ought to be in this Life; but I think it would be good to have a public dialogue on how vigilant we should be re the problems the world collectively – as communities – as groups, as families – as individuals – wrangle with at any one time. it is important to hear from people who have suffered, w

{15:53:55 pm} <lakitu> ho are suffering, to have a full circumspect perspective, for this.

{15:57:31 pm} <ControlFreq> lakitu…the solution is not for the hoi polloi to arm themselves and lead a rescue. The solution is to coordinate with law enforcement and find out what we can do to make a difference.

{15:58:02 pm} <ControlFreq> The idea of vigilante justice grants that same authority to anyone else who believes they have a righteous cause. C.f. January 6

{15:58:10 pm} <lakitu> well that’s what I was expressing above – to join forcces to– no

{15:58:27 pm} <lakitu> I was not advocating that. I was saying to work e.g. with law enforcement,

{15:58:37 pm} <lakitu> to rescue sex slaves.

{15:58:53 pm} <lakitu> to rescue these people.

{15:59:06 pm} <lakitu> applying for a job, etc.

{15:59:22 pm} <ControlFreq> Please distinguish this statement from advocacy of vigilante justice:

{15:59:25 pm} <ControlFreq> brave, just men & women taking up arms & technologies to free them

{15:59:36 pm} <lakitu> there was a context to that

{15:59:42 pm} <lakitu> a very large context

{16:00:03 pm} <lakitu> that’s a sentence fragment

{16:00:57 pm} <ControlFreq> It’s inflamatory

{16:01:24 pm} <lakitu> you actually are countering the countering of this, now – I was thinking of the Federal Bureau of Investigations as I wrote that

{16:01:33 pm} <lakitu> the Central Intelligence Agency

{16:01:49 pm} <ControlFreq> CIA cannot engage in domestic law enforcement

{16:01:51 pm} <lakitu> & you are now calling joining the F.B.I. to rescue e.g. sex slaves “inflammatory”

{16:01:57 pm} <lakitu> I didn’t say domestic

{16:02:16 pm} <lakitu> I am not snared in that technicality

{16:02:37 pm} <lakitu> Interpol.

{16:02:57 pm} <ControlFreq> lakitu…you frequently fall into the trap of using words that codify a clear, well-formed thought, but the words you choose convey a totally different inference in the listner’s mind.

{16:03:37 pm} <lakitu> I guess you have complaints about the above, first?

{16:04:27 pm} <ControlFreq> If you trying to recruit law enforcement, that’s great. I am a skilled critical reader and that was not in the same ZIP code as the impression I formed in my mind.

{16:04:49 pm} <lakitu> mm. how’d you score in your reading skills in school?

{16:06:08 pm} <ControlFreq> I did not attend kindergarten. In the first weeks of first grade, I was evaluated as a third grade reader. Both my parents were teachers (Mom, elementary; Dad, jr high and high school.) My Dad was trained by Jesuits.

{16:06:17 pm} <lakitu> for anyone else who thought I’m taking special measures in schools to sensitize kids to e.g. human trafficking, to put them into a pipeline to primitive vigilantism / vigalante justice,

{16:07:14 pm} <lakitu> ok. in elementary school I was appraised as being a 14th-grade level reader / overall comprehension student

{16:08:31 pm} <lakitu> — I of course would be thinking of our best methods to rescue abducted teenage girls, especially when I’m talking about educational formalization of this kind of training.

{16:08:44 pm} <lakitu> especially when I’m talking about educational formalization like this.

{16:08:48 pm} <lakitu> (‘like this.)

{16:09:30 pm} <lakitu> (–I of course.*)

{16:10:00 pm} <lakitu> overall-comprehension.*

{16:10:34 pm} <lakitu> to inspire them to join the F.B.I., et al, ControlFreq.

{16:10:49 pm} <ControlFreq> That is a noble effort.

{16:10:54 pm} <lakitu> I’m sorry if there was a miscommunication otherwise.

{16:11:35 pm} <lakitu> I will also not limit how you can help

{16:12:51 pm} <lakitu> in that miscommunication, we cannot be reactionary & rule out printing up flyers, teaching classes, making websites, or any other helpful approaches that are outside of the F.B.I., say – or that work with, etc.

{16:14:27 pm} <lakitu> II will say here ‘that work with’.

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{16:19:58 pm} <lakitu> but in that statement I was meaning situation rooms of F.B.I. workers tracking down abduction victims’ holding places & making busts, etc

{16:21:04 pm} <lakitu> (the statement that sentence fragment is in.)

{16:21:15 pm} <ControlFreq> You do not want to work “outside the FBI.” You want to work in concert with federal, state and local law enforcement in ALL cases.

{16:21:27 pm} <lakitu> Freq: what am I doing now?

{16:21:43 pm} <lakitu> is the above idea generating bad?

{16:21:50 pm} <lakitu> – I do not think so. many do not, I bet.

{16:22:12 pm} <lakitu> if you teach a class on sex slavery in the world–

{16:22:35 pm} <lakitu> there are too many examples against to require me to give more.

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{16:24:45 pm} <lakitu> maybe you could criticize – in some scenario – the F.B.I. for not doing ENOUGH— again, in some scenario– in your class, conceivably; that is not an impossible combination of conditions.

{16:26:04 pm} <lakitu> it’s not a major point – you thought I– for whatever reason– was talking about something other than F.B.I., et al, arms & technologies, when I explained to you that is who I had in mind as I was writing that.

{16:30:56 pm} <lakitu> that was just a miscommunication between us.

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{16:34:40 pm} <lakitu> you could also do ‘immersive testing’ for slower moving disasters, ‘like say environmental pollution. you could create a pretext to tell them– say, anecdotally mention during a teaching module– that some local company (who’s maybe in on it) is dumping stuff in the river, we’re not sure what it is, but it shouldn’t be a problem. more money to make

{16:34:40 pm} <lakitu> more (textiles or whatever) anyway, right?

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{16:36:05 pm} <lakitu> “it should be fine.”

{16:36:35 pm} <lakitu> wb Sioux.

{16:37:33 pm} <lakitu> to someone who would say this is messing with their minds, it is to edify them, which is an even higher cause than education, I would say.

{16:37:57 pm} <lakitu> which is an even higher cause than to educate them.

{16:38:38 pm} <lakitu> of course, nothing in excess. Solon.

{16:38:58 pm} <LionClan> How many times do you suppose the FBI has been used to do dirty tricks for the president?

{16:39:19 pm} <lakitu> “dirty tricks” – wow.

{16:39:37 pm} <xControlFreq> Hoover used the FBI to wreck Kennedy

{16:39:38 pm} <LionClan> See I know about dirty tricks personally

{16:39:57 pm} <lakitu> Lion – I’m just saying that’s helluva topic.

{16:40:10 pm} <lakitu> that’s a helluva topic.

{16:40:59 pm} <lakitu> the sum subterfuge of the F.B.i. for the Presidential administrations.

{16:41:13 pm} <lakitu> or sum subterfuges.

{16:42:25 pm} <LionClan> The FBI infiltrates protests

{16:42:55 pm} <LionClan> The CIA infiltrates protests as well

{16:43:32 pm} <lakitu> F.B.I., I was writing.

{16:43:42 pm} <SiouxBricket> Apparently, China has infiltrated both the CIA and th FBI, so nobody talks to them anymore

{16:43:57 pm} <LionClan> FBI infiltrates when they want to prosecute protesters, the CIA infiltrates when they want to discredit protesters

{16:45:40 pm} <lakitu> I’m on leave from politics as a genre of culture, SiouxBricket; you are free to discuss it however best tho

{16:46:38 pm} <lakitu> as a field.

{16:47:30 pm} <LionClan> A popular theme Here is not not jokes

{16:48:01 pm} <SiouxBricket> And it seems that both California and Nevada have run out of water.

{16:50:11 pm} <LionClan> If you think the absence of a thing is a sort of thing then that would be a substantial conversation. If you aren’t that deluded you would see clearly that “not politics” is not a topic, and just as clearly that “not physics” is also not a topic, and people that suggest either have made no contribution at all.

{16:51:37 pm} <LionClan> California and Nevada have been mining water, pumping water out of the ground faster than it accumulates.

{16:51:39 pm} <lakitu> …re my thread: you could issue these semi-strength beguilements to them, once you had gotten down the proper training method to train teachers to use on students with: “I’m gonna have to report you.”, to a student saying he’s going to stand up to it, speak up against it – “Don’t make me dock your grades for insubordination.” etc

{16:52:16 pm} <lakitu> to challenge them

{16:52:26 pm} <lakitu> – test them.

{16:53:45 pm} <lakitu> see who’s willing to stick their neck out for someone, some people.

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{17:00:25 pm} <lakitu> SiouxBricket: http://texthost.joevalentyn.org/paste.php?id=38 immersion in real-world but fictional emergencies, disasters, etc, as tests for young men & women in schools’ dialogue

{17:00:27 pm} <zhan> Part of “Immersive-Testing” Formal-School Idea by Joe Valentyn (lakitu) –

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{17:01:04 pm} <lakitu> went on about it for the first time above

{17:01:18 pm} <lakitu> grabbed the scroll, if you want it

{17:12:13 pm} <lakitu> that was from a just a coupla minutes ago.

{17:18:15 pm} <lakitu> …you could even extend this further, to work settings: testing who would have the spiritual marrow to speak up.

{17:19:44 pm} <lakitu> could be used to see who was conscientiousness enough to get a promotion – with the increase in their authority, including their responsibility, accountability, maybe even culpability.

{17:20:25 pm} <lakitu> honeypots. etc.

{17:21:09 pm} <lakitu> –depending on how you felt about ‘sting operations’ that is – but there’s other ways you could do it short of full traps / setups.

{17:27:00 pm} <lakitu> …there is a conversation device used by, say, women, to (try, anyway, to) suss out men’s guilt – they joke about something she suspects the man of being guilty of – if he’s not guilty, it shouldn’t be much of a problem: he can joke back or otherwise aver his innocence, or if he is guilty, it can be a very economical litmus test. I would say *due

{17:27:00 pm} <lakitu> to the complexity of how a man can be smeared, etc*, this is not a certain test, but better women can probably come to terms with the plight or plights of men re where it would screw them up, & come to terms a lot / lots, such that in skilled enough hands, many women do put this joking/baiting test to good use.

{17:28:32 pm} <lakitu> women stay on top of men, in relationships largely, it seems. men have more bruteness, some might say have more bravery too– but this is where I am too close to an misandrist to propose my ideas as a model. I will just say that women stay on top of men, in relationships, it seems most often to me

{17:28:43 pm} <lakitu> (as a man– I say this as a man.)

{17:28:59 pm} <lakitu> men tend to be stupider, more brutish, clumsier

{17:29:15 pm} <lakitu> when it comes to social life, at the very least.

{17:29:16 pm} * ControlFreq hands lakitu a slightly narrower brush

{17:29:38 pm} * lakitu dots the “i” in social life with it.

{17:29:47 pm} * lakitu dots the “i” in “social life” with it.

{17:30:28 pm} <lakitu> when it comes to romance & social life, at the very least.*

{17:31:52 pm} <lakitu> & less conservative.

{17:32:06 pm} <lakitu> (in the philosophical sense of conservative.)

{17:32:20 pm} <lakitu> ((not (necessarily) political.))

{17:36:06 pm} <lakitu> I am too close to a misandrist.*

To be honest, this idea was too fun, & I’d Love to come back to it soon – & I plan to do just that, designing more examples & strategems teachers could use to put students’ big hearts to the test with how “big” they truly are . . .

⸻ Joe Valentyn
Minnesota, U.S.A.
June the 7th, 2021

More on this, from June the 8th (2021):

{11:41:37 am} <lakitu> new dialogue uppp: https://joevalentyn.org/press/2021/06/07/that-was-big-of-you-joe-valentyns-idea-for-student-immersion-in-real-world-emergency-testing-of-mettle-conscientiousness-in-classrooms/

{11:41:41 am} <zhan> “That Was Big Of You!!” ⸻ Joe Valentyn’s Idea For Student Immersion in Real-World Emergency Testing of Mettle & Conscientiousness In Classrooms ⸻ ♡, Joe Valentyn

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{13:39:59 pm} <fattratt_> https://youtu.be/K2SudsbW_2M

{13:39:59 pm} <zhan> Censorship of medical information and intellectual authoritarianism (Pierre Kory & Bret Weinstein) by DarkHorse Podcast Clips [16m36s – 7k views ? 1.3k ? 3 (99.77%) – 1h ago]

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{14:17:56 pm} <lakitu> probably the simplest example of my idea (in the dialogue I linked for you ladies & girls above) is to leave a wallet in the halls, or outside in front of the school, with enough money in it to make it somewhat tempting to keep & not return. even a twenty-dollar bill say in the halls, would work.

{14:24:33 pm} <lakitu> …a really good one would be to arrange some link, or something, where (I’m thinking in high school, or higher) ‘a very popular girl’s sexted picture’ has been acquired, except that it hasn’t–

{14:25:10 pm} <lakitu> & because it’s not with her permission,

{14:25:42 pm} <lakitu> it would be like a honeypot for this immersive mettle, conscientiousness testing I am proposing.

{14:27:36 pm} <lakitu> (mettle & conscientiousness immersion tests.)

{14:29:06 pm} <lakitu> you could reimagine it a few ways. e.g. there was a party, she got drunk, someone took a “hot!!”, violatory picture of her

{14:35:01 pm} <lakitu> (for anyone not familiar with “honeypots” – the espionage term: from Kaspersky.com: “One honeypot definition comes from the world of espionage, where Mata Hari-style spies who use a romantic relationship as a way to steal secrets are described as setting a ‘honey trap’ or ‘honeypot’. Often, an enemy spy is compromised by a honey trap and then forced to hand over everything he/she knows.

{14:35:01 pm} <lakitu> In computer security terms, a cyber honeypot works in a similar way, baiting a trap for hackers. It’s a sacrificial computer system that’s intended to attract cyberattacks, like a decoy. It mimics a target for hackers, and uses their intrusion attempts to gain information about cybercriminals and the way they are operating or to distract them from other targets.”)

{14:36:19 pm} <fattratt_> Old trick.

{14:36:25 pm} <lakitu> old trick.

{14:36:51 pm} <fattratt_> Biblical story of Judith I think.

{14:37:28 pm} <fattratt_> And Verdi’s Aida perhaps.

{14:37:40 pm} <fattratt_> But I forget the details of both of those stories.

{14:42:19 pm} <lakitu> I mentioned doing this at work, but definitely a parent or maybe daycare provider could use this for edification, too

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{14:47:16 pm} <fattratt_> shalom

{14:47:55 pm} <lakitu> (- I obviously am not saying this is the only way to edify us, it is just a rather b****y way whose experience of immersion could lead to high-level performance performance & testing, than say 1-3 lines on an exam sheet. like a sport can require more performance, in physical education. so would this, but in Life, in conscientiousness, in mettle, etc.)

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{14:51:29 pm} <lakitu> (* – I obviously am not saying this is the only way to edify us, it is just a rather b****y way whose experience of immersion could lead to high-level performance & testing, than say 1-3 lines on an exam sheet. like a sport can require more performance, in physical education. so would this, but in Life, in conscientiousness, in mettle, etc.)

{15:02:20 pm} <lakitu> You could confabulate a false rumor about a young female teacher that she had had some compromising sexual experience (or drug, or whatever), & see who spreads it before authoritatively announcing it was an act to see who would spread a false rumor

{15:07:10 pm} <lakitu> …to be honest, you could do such a thing with your faculty too – the same sort of thing.

{15:07:16 pm} <lakitu> re doing this as a business.

{15:08:53 pm} <lakitu> – ‘ see what the rumor becomes on the wrong end of the telephone game.

{15:11:58 pm} <lakitu> – “she had sex with two students & there’s pictures!” it could become– & again, you’d need to issue a longlasting authoritative capstone denial, maybe with some kind of documentation beforehand outlining that it’s just a rumor, we’re doing this to test you, etc., that students could check out after & see, oh, so & so knew about this beforehand, there was documenting that this was a honeypot beforehand, etc

{15:12:32 pm} <lakitu> you could even hire a special teacher maybe to do this

{15:12:45 pm} <fattratt_> good night & may your dog walk with you !!!!!

{15:12:50 pm} <lakitu> lol

{15:15:31 pm} <lakitu> like a double teacher, who acts like a new, naive, young, perhaps attractive enough female teacher, but who is trained to overcome such a rumor setup – in on it with faculty, & the ‘like.

{15:16:34 pm} <lakitu> nighty-night fattratt.

{15:17:08 pm} <lakitu> ‘like a double teacher*

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{15:33:33 pm} <lakitu> you could do like a 15-30 minute gymnasium presentation – “”Mrs. Fields” is actually Robin Addleson; we hired her specifically to conduct this setup where we confabulate a false, embarrassing, damaging rumor about her to see who spreads the rumor even tho’ they can’t’ve known it to be true” etc

{15:34:42 pm} <lakitu> ((“since it’s false”, etc))

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{15:36:00 pm} <lakitu> uh oh

{15:36:30 pm} <JohnGuru> hi lakitu

{15:36:46 pm} <JohnGuru> don’t worry I’m not here to spoil your day

{15:36:51 pm} <lakitu> I’ll move this to my room

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{15:37:10 pm} <lakitu> continued:

{15:39:53 pm} <lakitu> …you could even push the envelope & say email a junior-high’ teacher a bait email fake offering revealing photos of say a female student – perhaps personalize it to them – but have it *really be from the junior high administration or task force dedicated to this*

{15:42:08 pm} <lakitu> “Mr. Anderson!! I wanted to show YOU my new bikini shots!! take a quick peek…” – supposedly from a 14 year-old girl to her junior-high’ teacher – but really a sort of phishing test by the administration.

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[15:28:38] <lakitu> wb Sioux.

[15:28:44] <lakitu> {15:37:10 pm} <lakitu> continued:

[15:28:44] <lakitu> {15:39:53 pm} <lakitu> …you could even push the envelope & say email a junior-high’ teacher a bait email fake offering revealing photos of say a female student – perhaps personalize it to them – but have it really be from the junior high administration or task force dedicated to this

[15:28:44] <lakitu> {15:42:08 pm} <lakitu> “Mr. Anderson!! I wanted to show YOU my new bikini shots!! take a quick peek…” – supposedly from a 14 year-old girl to her junior-high’ teacher – but really a sort of phishing test by the administration.

[15:31:39] <lakitu> that as the subject of the email.

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[15:46:22] <lakitu> back –some young woman is private messaging me with an urge to Snapchat with me . . .

[15:46:49] <lakitu> she’s fairly pretty–

[15:47:47] <lakitu> anyway:

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[15:56:44] <lakitu> computer froze

[15:56:48] <lakitu> I was saying:

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[15:56:52] <lakitu> computer froze

[15:56:54] <lakitu> I was saying:

[16:00:57] <lakitu> these these mini-espionage subterfuges don’t even have to be about illegal things; you could set up more social happenstance kinds of things, like tell students a teacher had some misfortune, with less empathy it could be mocked, ridiculed, derided, etc; & see who comes over & provides her consolation, & the polar opposite, who scoffs about her suffering

[16:01:21] <lakitu> – her bad luck.

[16:03:49] <lakitu> …all a fiction to cleverly bait more misanthropic citizens of the student body.

[16:04:37] <sol> you planning to hack a school social conscious?

[16:04:42] <lakitu> haha

[16:04:56] <lakitu> –that is maybe the Sol way to say it.

[16:05:13] <sol> bait the school student body?

[16:05:47] <lakitu> did you catch yesterday’s dialogue?

[16:05:53] <sol> nopr

[16:05:55] <sol> nopr

[16:05:57] <lakitu> ah:

[16:06:01] <sol> er nope

[16:06:03] <sol> what was the summary?

[16:06:04] * lakitu reads typoese

[16:06:23] <lakitu> https://joevalentyn.org/press/2021/06/07/that-was-big-of-you-joe-valentyns-idea-for-student-immersion-in-real-world-emergency-testing-of-mettle-conscientiousness-in-classrooms/

[16:06:28] <zhan> “That Was Big Of You!!” ⸻ Joe Valentyn’s Idea For Student Immersion in Real-World Emergency Testing of Mettle & Conscientiousness In Classrooms ⸻ ♡, Joe Valentyn

[16:07:04] <lakitu> that was me trying to title this.

[16:07:13] <sol> that was the topic?

[16:09:20] <lakitu> {14:45:31 pm} <lakitu> but for example, you could write symphonies in school, & still get all F’s. or be the people’s choice for most personable dudette in your school, & not have your report card needle even move at all

[16:09:20] <lakitu> {14:45:49 pm} <lakitu> for scoring, overall

[16:09:20] <lakitu> {14:47:08 pm} <lakitu> you could defend against bullies for special needs kids, the disadvantaged – you might even be WORSE OFF report-card -wise.

[16:09:20] <lakitu> {14:48:36 pm} * lakitu was going to school to be a teacher, but dropped out of college for it…

[16:09:22] <lakitu> {14:50:20 pm} <lakitu> might be a Love genius, they could give you straight C’s. that’s four examples

[16:09:37] <lakitu> {14:54:16 pm} <lakitu> & on that – say you had a “goodness” / being ethical / being moral / etc score: Conscientiousness’s spiritual battle is more like physical education in that you have to actually perform these pull-ups, push-ups, etc – you can’t just tick a box that says “I know to do 10.”

[16:09:37] <lakitu> {14:55:28 pm} <lakitu> you have to perform at being good rather than just in a made up example be able to navigate to the right answer. it takes courage to resist bad influence, etc….

[16:09:40] <lakitu> {14:59:18 pm} <lakitu> like the differencce between ticking a box that says “Write beautiful music.” & writing beautiful music. it takes more than just knowing to do it. actually doing it requires gifts & techniques beyond average ability levels.

[16:09:44] <lakitu> {14:59:29 pm} <lakitu> beyond the average level of abilities.

[16:09:46] <lakitu> {14:59:58 pm} <lakitu> ‘like the difference.*

[16:10:03] <lakitu> especially this:

[16:10:03] <lakitu> {14:54:16 pm} <lakitu> & on that – say you had a “goodness” / being ethical / being moral / etc score: Conscientiousness’s spiritual battle is more like physical education in that you have to actually perform these pull-ups, push-ups, etc – you can’t just tick a box that says “I know to do 10.”

[16:10:03] <lakitu> {14:55:28 pm} <lakitu> you have to perform at being good rather than just in a made up example be able to navigate to the right answer. it takes courage to resist bad influence, etc….

[16:10:05] <lakitu> {14:59:18 pm} <lakitu> like the differencce between ticking a box that says “Write beautiful music.” & writing beautiful music. it takes more than just knowing to do it. actually doing it requires gifts & techniques beyond average ability levels.

[16:10:09] <lakitu> {14:59:29 pm} <lakitu> beyond the average level of abilities.

[16:10:11] <lakitu> {14:59:58 pm} <lakitu> ‘like the difference.*

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[16:10:15] <lakitu> {15:05:54 pm} <lakitu> this is a little b****y of me to recommend, but imagine a school that had drills, except you didn’t know they were drills: e.g. someone has broke in; war has broke out; there was a chemical spill nearby – etc – again, pushing beyond the boundaries here, but: imagine that even teachers weren’t told yet whether it was real or not, & they had a emerge

[16:10:22] <lakitu> {15:05:54 pm} <lakitu> ncy discussion with their class – the brave would be separated from the unbrave, the just from the unjust, etc –

[16:10:25] <lakitu> {15:06:42 pm} <lakitu> & that could tell us– we’d tell them we were testing them afterward– who is really made of mettle.

[16:13:40] <lakitu> (* ‘like tell students.)

[16:17:16] <lakitu> it would be pretty hilarious faking e.g. a graffiti rondezvous that only the guilty party shows up to, armed with spray paint cans, after school out back. just him & the security, etc.

[16:17:40] <lakitu> that’s classic Americana goings-on.

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[16:21:23] <lakitu> with enough ingenuity, you might be able to suss out / deter gangs being joined, etc.

[16:22:30] <BigMick> (+BigMick) Who polices the government, banks and corporations if they ever commit any illegalities and punish them accordingly?

[16:23:25] <lakitu> “Ronnie’s got the coke & the tweens in a building downtown – it’s all free to you if you just show up…” some supposed gang member txt message or whatever.

[16:24:44] <lakitu> – some pseudo gang member txt message.

[16:27:47] <lakitu> (pseudo gang-member txt message.*)

[16:28:39] <lakitu> I wouldn’t be petty with this device, I’ve outlined the last two days. don’t try to catch someone taking a sandwich or something stupid, I guess.

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[16:30:05] <lakitu> there’s a certainly level where trifles are trifles & you don’t need to bring someone to justice for drinking half your soda pop.

[16:30:50] <lakitu> stealing a pencil, under normal circumstances, etc

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[16:31:13] <lakitu> not that many people would do that, but . . .

[16:33:00] <lakitu> (* with this device I’ve outlined the last two days.)

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[16:35:20] <lakitu> * there’s a certain level where trifles are trifles & you don’t need to bring someone to justice for drinking half your soda pop.

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Order-Two Philosophy: Theory; Praxis; Practice; Art; Strategy; Craft

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March 17th, 2024

This is a metaphilosophy dialogue I led in Undernet #philosophical in January (January_23rd) 2023. It does a lot with a little & many people might appreciate the content – especially since I work to keep it approachable – using real life examples for example. This is very heady to figure & i might add on for example later. For now here is the main course!:

In this I am `lakitu`:

[11:41:05] <lakitu_> hello fattratt
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[11:54:01] <lakitu_> craftratt
[11:55:18] <lakitu_> I’ve been working on this (idea) complex:
[11:55:35] <lakitu_> theory : practice : abstract
[11:55:36] <lakitu_> :
[11:57:23] <lakitu_> * theory : ? : practice : abstract :: art : strategy : craft : concrete
[11:57:33] <lakitu_> misprint the first time
[11:57:40] <lakitu_> that I fixed
[11:58:03] <lakitu_> the “::” divides the two
[11:58:09] <lakitu_> as you saw I bet
[11:58:20] <lakitu_> * as you may have seen
[11:59:05] <lakitu_> theory & practice are more abstract forms, art & craft are more concrete
[11:59:25] <lakitu_> ah that’s right:
[11:59:45] <lakitu_> theory : *praxis* : practice : abstract :: art : strategy : craft : concrete
[12:00:20] <lakitu_> praxis is the abstract go-between form for theory & praxis
[12:00:33] <lakitu_> strategy is the concrete go between form for art & craft
[12:06:19] <lakitu_> thus,
[12:06:48] <lakitu_> strike that (meaning strike saying thus,)
[12:07:10] <lakitu_> * strategy is the concrete go-between form for art & craft
[12:11:28] <lakitu_> “practice” is common for a lawyer or a doctor: a legal practice, for example.
[12:11:55] <lakitu_> that are more erudite
[12:12:58] <lakitu_> meaning educated to a high degree
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[12:16:34] <lakitu_> the songwriting craft (sic; the craft of songwriting) might be one we’d hear more for an example for the more concrete craft form.
[12:20:26] <lakitu_> * the songwriting craft (sic; the craft of songwriting) might be one we’d hear more for an example for the more concrete form that is craft.
[12:22:28] <lakitu_> ** the songwriting craft (sic; the craft of songwriting) might be one we’d hear more for an example for the more concrete *form that is craft*.
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[12:40:16] <lakitu_> statecraft, spycraft.
[12:45:42] <lakitu_> practicing your instrument might help you more with theory than songwriting art (sic; the art of songwriting) & songwriting craft (sic; the craft of songwriting)
[12:46:00] <lakitu_> * practicing your instrument might help you more with music theory than songwriting art (sic; the art of songwriting) & songwriting craft (sic; the craft of songwriting)
[12:46:15] <lakitu_> ** practicing your instrument might help you more with *music* theory than songwriting art (sic; the art of songwriting) & songwriting craft (sic; the craft of songwriting)
[12:55:09] <Fixion> playing an instrument is very different – although related to writing music…
[12:55:26] <lakitu_> not too different
[12:55:54] <Fixion> songwriting even more requires essentially skill in lyrical poetry
[12:56:11] <Fixion> again different skill from playing and different skill from writing music
[12:56:28] <Fixion> although much of it may go hand-in-hand depending on your talent…
[12:56:29] <lakitu_> separate
[12:57:17] <Fixion> music theory is about how music is read and written, but you can play if you can read, you don’t have to write music to understand music theory…
[12:57:28] <lakitu_> crafting your performance, using a theme for your art, practicing your instrument scales, studying music theory are four examples.
[12:57:55] <Fixion> (others play without music theory – by ear – or naturally talented)
[12:58:16] <Fixion> jazz is often unread because its essentially ad hoc music
[12:58:41] <lakitu_> there’s more to music theory than reading & writing music, Fixion.
[12:58:44] <Fixion> but to differentiate it from noise Jazz often is done with a group/band, and they tend to build a ryhthm together…
[12:58:54] <Fixion> yes… listening is important too…
[12:59:20] <lakitu_> people use music theory even if they haven’t had a class in it. the I-IV-V is common, for example.
[12:59:36] <Fixion> uh?
[12:59:40] <Fixion> not sure what you mean by that
[13:00:13] <Fixion> what is I-IV-V ?(1-4-5 if its roman numerals but not sure how it applies)
[13:01:11] <lakitu_> many songs
[13:01:15] <Fixion> music THEORY is about knowing things like breaves, staffs, key signatures, etc… its about reading and writing music the THEORY of it… the sound and acutally playing it are different things altogether…
[13:02:11] <lakitu_> no. you have an affliction that is making you think music theory is only written & read. you play instruments in music theory class, use music theory at your instrument
[13:02:30] <lakitu_> use your instrument during music theory
[13:03:16] <lakitu_> for example, ear training for perfect pitch.
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[13:06:21] <Fixion> actually playing instruments is not required for music theory afaik.. it may be used in classes, but its not a necessary part (although it tends to be accompanying)
[13:06:40] <Fixion> normally the whole reason you are learning music theory is in order to play an instrument
[13:06:47] <lakitu_> I’ve had music theory 101 three times.
[13:07:13] <lakitu_> the teachers were at pianos.
[13:07:25] <Fixion> but someone like say beethoven (sp?) was deaf right? he did music by math, actually playing it isn’t necessarily necessary…
[13:07:44] <Fixion> it tends to help though
[13:08:11] <lakitu_> you’re very far into an imagination for music theory class versus the reallty for music theory class
[13:08:34] <Fixion> theres no single instrument that music theory applies to… (as long as it has the required pitches)
[13:09:10] <Fixion> its normally intrinsically linked but its not the same thing…
[13:10:19] <lakitu_> moving on
[13:10:22] <Fixion> but if you are writing music you don’t even need any of that, you can make musical score without ever having heard anything …
[13:11:06] <Fixion> you just follow the rules and place notes where they can go… it may sound terrible, it may sound good, but you can follow musical theory
[13:11:47] <Fixion> and you don’t need to play it yourself, you can just give the score to someone who knows how to read it and play it…
[13:11:54] <lakitu_> you’re making them as separate as you can when I am showing how they are connected
[13:12:15] <Fixion> I’m not saying they aren’t connected…
[13:12:37] <Fixion> but they aren’t the SAME thing, they’re different skills and different aspects of music…
[13:12:38] <lakitu_> weird experimental silent-music theory songwriting examples
[13:13:02] <Fixion> its entirely possible… and probably been done before
[13:13:10] <Fixion> not that I’ve tried it I mean I can read and play music…
[13:13:32] <Fixion> so if I were writing it I’d be playing it too testing it out as I go etc…
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[13:14:11] <Fixion> sow discord? no it can actually be enabling…
[13:14:59] <Fixion> instead of telling people they have to crawl before they can walk maybe they can do something… maybe they’re disabled and unable to use an instrument but if they can create score by other means… then it gives them opportunity
[13:15:08] <Fixion> or maybe they’re no good at one but good at the other…
[13:16:08] <Fixion> I’m sick of this whole expected progression thing
[13:16:42] <Fixion> as if you can’t be good at something the very first time… and the expectation that doing it over and over again necessarily makes you better…
[13:17:03] <Fixion> sure it gives you experience but it doesn’t necessarily mean you can achieve as good a result as the first time you tried it
[13:17:17] <Fixion> (or as bad hehe)
[13:17:43] <Fixion> anyawy I gotta go
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[13:22:22] <lakitu_> mm. *hot* *chocolate* – num
[13:22:29] <lakitu_> chocolate is my favorite food
[13:26:41] <lakitu_> culinary art (sic; culinary arts) is another familiar art.
[13:29:37] <lakitu_> it is a little more concrete being something we make to eat around three times a day.
[13:30:09] <lakitu_> architecture is much more rare for its construction, & thus that much more theoretical – needing to get it right
[13:30:33] <lakitu_> for the long term.
[13:36:08] <lakitu_> Fixion’s being a gleed dancing goblin, I will return another time
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[14:02:54] <lakitu_> back
[14:03:46] <lakitu_> I believe a German philosopher coined praxis: the ferry between theory & practice
[14:04:07] <lakitu_> I made my default web browser search engine Wikipedia
[14:04:18] <lakitu_> Google is screw loose
[14:04:38] <lakitu_> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praxis
[14:04:39] <zhan> Praxis may refer to:.
[14:08:14] <Ragtime^> praxis makes perfect
[14:10:50] <lakitu_> ha
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[14:14:16] <lakitu_> that was not a very helpful article.
[14:15:09] <lakitu_> for example, you might use praxis to generalize from practice to theory – you might demonstrate by using strategy to go from art to craft.
[14:15:48] <lakitu_> for example, you might use praxis to generalize from practice to theory – you might use strategy to demonstrate art by craft.
[14:15:53] <lakitu_> ** for example, you might use praxis to generalize from practice to theory – you might use strategy to demonstrate art by craft.
[14:16:37] <lakitu_> for example a sample food for people to taste a culinary art recipe.
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[14:17:13] <lakitu_> * for example *to craft* a sample food for people to taste a culinary art *(sic; culinary arts)* recipe.
[14:30:00] <lakitu_> astronomy might be more toward theory, space craft (sic; spacecraft) might be more toward craft
[14:30:08] <lakitu_> for example

Three Ways To Up Your Life Chances (Slash Your Death Risk) 34% Or More – A Dialogue In A Public Forum With Joe Valentyn

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June 3rd, 2021

In this, I am “lakitu”:

{23:59:05 pm} <kblom> I never had manicotti

{00:00:05 am} <LionClan> Nor have I but I can imagine what it would taste like

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{00:03:34 am} <kblom> I’m already convinced that all italian pasta is delicious

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{00:05:07 am} <kblom> except for angel hair spaghetti

{00:06:24 am} <kblom> no way it’s always too mushy

{00:16:30 am} <kblom> I expect pasta to have a bit have a bit of al dente and angel hair never does. it’s always mush

{00:18:50 am} <kblom> I won’t eat it

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{00:30:45 am} <kblom> otherwise I don’t understand why italian cuisine is so excellent but it is

{00:32:01 am} <kblom> the italians I knew were very cool

{00:35:11 am} <lakitu> kblom, I love that Italian combined traditional national food with imported spices like crushed red (cayenne) pepper. I think few people don’t enjoy well-made Italian food. Mediterranean dishes are also very healthy – at least their high-fat element & of course olive oil / olives, wine . . .

{00:35:49 am} <lakitu> (red wine)

{00:36:34 am} <lakitu> a very traditional Italian cuisine is not a bad choice in the West for an enjoyable, healthy cuisine.

{00:37:14 am} <lakitu> brb

{00:38:38 am} <lakitu> Mediterranean at least has stood up to scrutiny, so far.

{00:39:03 am} <lakitu> I used to down a shot of olive oil twice a day for health.

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{00:41:53 am} <kblom> lakitu yeah italians know how to eat

{00:45:14 am} <kblom> do italians down a shot of olive oil twice a day for health?

{00:45:25 am} <lakitu> some I’m sure

{00:45:38 am} <fattratt_> some

{00:46:04 am} <fattratt_> But I don’t immediately see the italians as a health-obsessed nation.

{00:46:24 am} <lakitu> I know a doctor who recommends you get up to 80% of your calories from fats – our primary fuel, instead of say carbohydrates, both complex & simple, which complex turn into simple in our bodies. that is part of the diet code I follow myself: as a prototype: fats (including the very important *for longevity* omega-3s), organic veggie juice & organic raw veggies, & (low/no methylmercury) fish ((such as salmon, sardines, …)) & organic

{00:46:24 am} <lakitu> eggs, mainly.

{00:46:55 am} <kblom> maybe that’s an anglosaxon thing

{00:47:31 am} <lakitu> examples of fats are fish, animal fats, & dairy, like cheese.

{00:47:32 am} <fattratt_> Aye, fats have made a comeback. At one time the Dominant Orthodoxy said they were a big no no. But perhaps there has been a bit of a scientific revolution since then.

{00:47:44 am} <lakitu> heh – science gets credit coming & going

{00:48:40 am} <fattratt_> Thanks to people like Herr Dr. Lustig.

{00:48:41 am} <lakitu> there was Ancel Keys flawed (corporate) science study;

{00:49:13 am} <lakitu> that is still in influence today

{00:49:31 am} <lakitu> the American Heart Association warns against the dangers of coconut oil, e.g.

{00:49:37 am} <LionClan> In re olive oil, yes.

{00:49:52 am} <LionClan> They also rub it all over

{00:51:06 am} <lakitu> I’ve heard another newer olive-oil study trend that you CAN cook with it – it doesn’t turn unhealthy when cooked at medium temperatures

{00:51:16 am} <LionClan> Italians come in all sorts and sizes

{00:51:25 am} <lakitu> which would be great for dietetics & culinary arts people

{00:51:46 am} <lakitu> LionClan: touching a goomba has a large effect

{00:52:25 am} <lakitu> * for dietetics & the culinary arts…

{00:52:46 am} <lakitu> coconuts are overfarmed. whether or not they can just plant more, I’m not sure.

{00:54:07 am} <lakitu> * Ancel Keys’ flawed (corporate) science study

{00:54:09 am} <lakitu> sorry

{00:56:47 am} <lakitu> olive trees live hundreds, sometimes over a thousand years

{00:56:55 am} <lakitu> not a bad choice for a food source.

{00:57:03 am} <lakitu> –that trait.

{00:57:41 am} <fattratt_> I think I saw something a while ago that suggested that the American Heart Assn was ‘bought’ by ppl who wanted to promote polyunsaturated margarine, etc.

{00:58:05 am} <kblom> but whon wabts to eat olives– I hate them

{00:58:07 am} <fattratt_> This was several decades ago.

{00:58:10 am} <lakitu> I love olives!!

{00:58:16 am} <lakitu> –green ones

{00:58:31 am} <lakitu> I have some almost daily.

{00:58:37 am} <fattratt_> I like to wrap olives in kale leaves and eat them raw.

{00:58:43 am} <lakitu> yum

{00:59:07 am} <lakitu> I was about to say, a very famous locale for olive trees is Sulmo – where Ovid was born & raised.

{00:59:34 am} <kblom> rat disgusting

{01:00:33 am} <lakitu> (olives are a secret-weapon in a high-fat diet. I think many like them & they’re a high-fat vegetable.)

{01:00:59 am} <lakitu> * (olives are a secret weapon in a high-fat diet. I think many like them & they’re a high-fat vegetable.)

{01:02:04 am} <lakitu> I think a very, very underappreciated branch of the tree of Life is mushrooms (mainly mushrooms, but also some algae, etc) in dietetics & culinary arts.

{01:03:35 am} <lakitu> there are over 140,000 species of mushrooms, & many have potent immunity properties & even reproductive potency benefits.

{01:07:04 am} <kblom> olives are disgusting and I won’t eat them but I’ll eat tomatos

{01:08:06 am} <lakitu> they contain glutathione & ergothioneine, which are both very, very potent, once you begin to learn your body compounds & also mushrooms.

{01:08:10 am} <lakitu> –brb

{01:09:50 am} <lakitu> back

{01:11:27 am} <lakitu> shiitake, reishi, turkey tail, lion’s mane . . .

{01:11:57 am} <lakitu> evidently that number is just for the number of identified species, there **in total** anywhere from 1.5 million to 5.1 million different mushroom species on Earth.

{01:12:51 am} <lakitu> vegans love them as an alternative source of protein, too.

{01:14:33 am} <lakitu> –I don’t mind snacking on some white button mushrooms from the store. I’m sure culinary arts people could spice them up pretty good

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{01:15:47 am} <klys> how to sear a mushroom and marinade it in spicy sauce

{01:15:52 am} <lakitu> sure

{01:16:02 am} <lakitu> good Google search, klys.

{01:16:07 am} <klys> ye ye

{01:16:34 am} <lakitu> wanted to say your contributions in here were appealing to me lately; thank you for that . . .

{01:16:47 am} <klys> you’re welcome

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{01:17:49 am} <lakitu> I eat lots of fish & olives & cheese, in practice.

{01:18:07 am} <lakitu> but low/no methylmercury fish, organic olives, etc

{01:18:25 am} <klys> mm that might make olives the right match for olive oil

{01:18:27 am} <lakitu> eggs too I suppose.

{01:19:01 am} <lakitu> yeah – I drizzle olive oil & salt – **just those two** – on my salmon filets

{01:19:02 am} <lakitu> & love it

{01:19:28 am} <lakitu> drizzle olive oil on & salt, I could grammaticalize it, as.

{01:19:47 am} <lakitu> I’ve never not finished it; it’s very tasty.

{01:20:21 am} <lakitu> & then do daily veggie juicing.

{01:20:33 am} <klys> so eh, do you juice greens?

{01:20:35 am} <lakitu> yes

{01:20:43 am} <klys> and make a green drink?

{01:20:44 am} <lakitu> deep, dark leafy greens mainly

{01:20:51 am} <lakitu> yes – “plant juice”

{01:21:01 am} <lakitu> I have a whole system I teach others with

{01:21:12 am} <lakitu> for making juice recipes that are healthy & tasty

{01:21:32 am} <klys> eheh, usually the green drinks I buy are either spirulina-style superfood or they also contain apple juice

{01:21:44 am} <lakitu> yeah. are they fresh?

{01:22:14 am} <klys> yeah the spirulina “king of greens” (which includes kale, spinach, etc.) is made daily

{01:22:52 am} <klys> and I guess that would be a reason to use a preservative

{01:27:02 am} <lakitu> you do: dark leafy greens like spinach, green leaf lettuce, red leaf lettuce, arugula, etc for health, then add: cucumbers &/or celery for volume/palatability, a very measured amount of “astringents” I call them: some combo of onion, garlick, ginger root, etc (again for health); you can add lemon or lime, which are low in (the unhealthy type of) sugar, for taste; herbs like cilantro (which is a great aluminum detoxer– our most abundant

{01:27:02 am} <lakitu> toxin, in our species), & other herbs (be careful because these are potent – e.g. too much parsley can cause a bad detoxing reaction on your liver and/or kidneys, have to start small/slow), for health (herbs for health); & then garden-variety vegetables like tomatoes, peppers, carrots, for taste & health;

{01:27:41 am} <lakitu> right – it can be a lot of work to juice daily, every other day, which is how long before they go rancid

{01:28:20 am} <lakitu> so I thought & thought, & came up with my own preservation method, which I believe preserves the compounds (nutrients/phytochemicals) in the juice largely: https://joevalentyn.org/press/2017/10/22/juicing-ideas-for-you/amp/

{01:28:23 am} <zhan> Juicing Ideas For You ⸻ ♡, Joe Valentyn

{01:28:56 am} <lakitu> essentially you add lactofermented (probiotic) sauerkraut/pickle/(…) brine –

{01:29:29 am} <lakitu> you know this stays good in the fridge for weeks, preserving the veggies: the shredded cabbage which makes up sauerkraut, the baby cucumbers which are pickled, etc

{01:29:54 am} <lakitu> & in fact it works wonders for the plant juices, they keep around 7 days

{01:30:01 am} <lakitu> which means you work about 6/7ths less

{01:30:05 am} <lakitu> by juicing every 7 days.

{01:30:15 am} <klys> wauw you’ve really done some homework there

{01:31:13 am} <klys> yeah so fermented “soylent,” have you tried it?

{01:31:20 am} <lakitu> no – avoid it

{01:31:45 am} <lakitu> the more you denature foods the less nutritious they– as a general rule– become

{01:32:04 am} <klys> well okay then, it’s too expensive for my tastes, I usually get the cheaper whey shakes

{01:32:07 am} <lakitu> that is the argument against processed foods

{01:33:01 am} <lakitu> I had to save myself / my health – studied health *while sick* (…) for a very long time, eventually discovered juicing & saved up (poor AND sick) to try it, & I started feeling better within days

{01:33:04 am} <lakitu> my body loved it.

{01:34:04 am} <klys> yeah, I’ll be sure to hang on to this

{01:34:27 am} <lakitu> I plan to publish the above in a new article soon, I’ll try to drop your nick in here with the link

{01:35:24 am} <klys> very good

{01:36:58 am} <lakitu> I have to say, you can feel **a lot**– not all– but **a lot** of natural medicines helping your body when they’re a match for your illness. I often try a sampler approach – round-robin, whatever – until I find something my body just **rejoices** at – when I get an infection. when something seems to be what my body wants, I try dosing that alone to fight off the illness. I’ve fought off illnesses in 18 hours many times that people

{01:36:58 am} <lakitu> around me suffered 3 to 5 days with, just by learning natural antipathogenics (antivirals, antibiotics, in rare cases antifungals).

{01:38:55 am} <fattratt_> Aye, juicing is great if you are not well.

{01:39:02 am} <lakitu> I’ll give you an example: my friend had a moderate rash on his skin; he visited & low & behold I got it. I was able to diagnose it correctly– he went to the doctor & got it tested & I had the correct species of fungus– & treat it, using natural medicine, while he got his treated with a synthetic cream. ours both resolved, but I did it using natural medicine.

{01:39:03 am} <fattratt_> But if you are well, I’d avoid it.

{01:39:11 am} <lakitu> I would not:

{01:39:23 am} <fattratt_> The fibre is important.

{01:39:38 am} <lakitu> ??

{01:39:43 am} <lakitu> why can’t you get it other ways?

{01:39:50 am} <lakitu> it does not reduce your fiber at all.

{01:39:50 am} <fattratt_> Well, yes.

{01:40:40 am} <fattratt_> You can get sugar spikes.

{01:40:41 am} <lakitu> avoid juicing *laughs*

{01:40:49 am} <lakitu> well, you see with my recipe I addressed that

{01:41:01 am} <lakitu> talking about using lemons & limes, which are low-fructose.

{01:41:17 am} <fattratt_> ok

{01:41:19 am} <lakitu> the worst kind of sugar.

{01:43:09 am} <lakitu> I mean computers are bad if you flicker the screen in a dark room for an hour – but that’s just misusing them, & not what we’re talking about with such things

{01:44:20 am} <lakitu> klys: that preservation method is rare: I’m the only person I’ve ever seen espouse it, & I thought of it sitting on my couch one day.

{01:45:16 am} <lakitu> like I say, it works great. test away . . . it should not be very different from sauerkraut, lactofermented pickles, etc

{01:47:48 am} <lakitu> which we know preserve them – they’re age-old foods & very healthy ones at that.

{01:48:13 am} <lakitu> * lo & behold.

{01:55:18 am} <lakitu> juicing is no villain.

{01:55:57 am} <lakitu> such is no villain.

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{01:57:30 am} <lakitu> here’s a scroll for you if you want to read some, LionClan: https://pastebin.com/mrKZsWv5

{01:57:31 am} <zhan> {01:02:04 am} <lakitu> I think a very, very underappreciated branch of the tree – Pastebin.com

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{02:02:18 am} <fattratt_> nevvamind

{02:02:33 am} <fattratt_> have a lovely day

{02:03:27 am} <lakitu> mm – ok have fun fattratt

{02:05:20 am} <lakitu> Mercola suggested avoiding juicing e.g. onions, but I learned if you get the dose right, they can be really helpful

{02:05:35 am} <lakitu> part of the “astringents”, as I call them.

{02:07:12 am} <LionClan> Lots of great recipes begin Saute onions in butter until clear

{02:07:19 am} <lakitu> right

{02:07:32 am} <lakitu> onions are like one of the first cadets in the culinary arts

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{02:08:59 am} <lakitu> there seems to be a general liminal threshold for how much you can withstand drinking ‘astringents’, & ought to carefully measure so you can still enjoy the benefits of these more dastardly plants, like garlick, onion, ginger root, & so on

{02:09:38 am} <lakitu> * there seems to be a general liminal threshold for how much you can withstand drinking ‘astringents’, & you ought to carefully measure so you can still enjoy the benefits of these more dastardly plants, like garlick, onion, ginger root, & so on

{02:11:01 am} <lakitu> I would even suggest using an eyedropper for the very potent ones like garlick juice, which if you’ve never handled, you should never drink straight (meaning alone), because it’s so astringent, etc.

{02:11:25 am} <LionClan> All right think I could replace the parsley with spinach

{02:12:06 am} <LionClan> Goes better with Italian sausage

{02:12:28 am} <lakitu> spinach is a very healthy leafy green

{02:12:38 am} <lakitu> tons of magnesium.

{02:12:51 am} <lakitu> & I think vitamin K.

{02:14:00 am} <lakitu> when I first started drinking these plant juices, I was measuring my blood pressure, & I dropped about 10-15 points of systolic blood pressure (the top number), when I was juicing spinach. they say magnesium is good for lowering blood pressure.

{02:14:39 am} <LionClan> I can feel the magnesium, feels good

{02:14:43 am} <lakitu> heh

{02:16:11 am} <lakitu> but when you consume spinach either way, you get it with thousands of other plant compounds naturally evolved / occurring with it in the spinach, versus a magnesium pill which only has that one compound, *hopefully* derived from a plant / natural source.

{02:16:29 am} <lakitu> something like 98% of vitamins are synthetic in America anyway, it’s really a shame.

{02:16:34 am} <lakitu> it’s really a sad thing.

{02:18:31 am} <lakitu> staying alive is so important, health (…) is such a big killer – & we offer so many get-rich-quick scheme synthetic, processed versions of ingredients, foods, & medicines – & textile etc compounds – that we suffer great health loss to make a quick buck, which – like Mercola says – costs you more in healthcare in the long run anyway.

{02:20:21 am} <lakitu> money is pretty low on the totem pole of Earthly goods, but you’re not even saving money, giving people synthetics, processed food, etc., anyway.

{02:25:48 am} <lakitu> protein is really like a 2nd carbohydrate, in that even moderate amounts can cause health problems, such as cancer. …just like how excess carbohydrates can cause inflammation, weight gain, diabetes, & cancer.

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{02:51:59 am} <lakitu> “UCL study finds new evidence linking fruit and vegetable consumption with lower mortality” “1 April 2014” “People who ate seven or more portions of fruit and vegetables a day had a 42% lower risk of death at any point in time than those who ate less than one portion, reports a new UCL study.” – from https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2014/apr/ucl-study-finds-new-evidence-linking-fruit-and-vegetable-consumption-lower-mortality

{02:52:01 am} <zhan> UCL study finds new evidence linking fruit and vegetable consumption with lower mortality

{02:54:35 am} <lakitu> I read once on a Harvard Medical Department website that 8oz of carrot juice was equal to about 5 servings of carrot, ate, minus the fiber. so juicing is a economical choice for getting in a lot of veggies.

{02:59:20 am} <lakitu> one great thing about juicing too is *******it regenerates your immune system to a very hardy level******* – which will be very important when the antibiotic-resistant diseases begin to plague us more, over the next 35-50 years **at least**, similar to how we’ve seen SARS-CoV-2 plague us . . .

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{03:09:42 am} <lakitu> then there’s omega 3s, especially for fish. of all medical indexes (indices, other people say) in a meta-analysis of what-I-remember-being tens or hundreds of thousands of studies, the top index in all of them indicating longevity was your omega 3 index: how much omega 3 fatty acids you have in your body– particularly the EPA version of omega 3 fatty acids, found in fish.

{03:10:59 am} <lakitu> “In this body of work, led by omega-3 expert and prolific researcher William Harris, Ph.D., professor of medicine, Sanford School of Medicine, University of South Dakota, the omega-3 index was measured for 2,500 participants (54 percent women) in the offspring cohort of the Framingham Heart Study.2 The omega-3 index reflects the EPA and DHA content of your red blood cell membranes.

{03:10:59 am} <lakitu> All participants, who had an average age of 66 years and were CVD free at baseline, were tracked until about age 73. Besides tracking total mortality, researchers also noted death from CVD, cancer and other causes, as well as any associations between omega-3 index levels and risk of CVD events, fatal or not.

{03:10:59 am} <lakitu> While increased levels of omega-3s have been shown to reduce your CVD risk, the researchers also noted a strong association between the omega-3 index and death from all other causes. Notably, when comparing participant omega-3 index levels, those with the highest levels of omega-3 fatty acids slashed their risk of death from any cause by 34 percent.”

{03:12:25 am} <Fixion> uh IRC.libra,chat back again … I’m going to set the mode to +s again

{03:12:34 am} <lakitu> 42% – for the veggies – life-chance upping – is huge. so is 34% for the (mainly fish) omega-3 index.

{03:13:31 am} * X gives channel operator status to Fixion

{03:13:33 am} * Fixion sets mode +s on #philosophical

{03:13:54 am} * X removes channel operator status from Fixion

{03:14:07 am} <Fixion> ahh it kept my +v status :) hehe nice

{03:14:18 am} <Fixion> (didn’t expect that when I deopped

{03:14:54 am} <lakitu> CVD there is cardiovascular disease.

{03:15:08 am} <Fixion> oh I thought it was covid! oops

{03:15:41 am} <Fixion> I might not be able to get my second vaccine! supplies are running out here

{03:16:05 am} <Fixion> im still in my 3 week waiting period for the second pfizer shot

{03:18:23 am} <lakitu> you’d be hard pressed to find a 34% all-causes mortality upping to your life chances like that just skimming thru the literature.

{03:18:28 am} <lakitu> 42% even more.

{03:18:49 am} <lakitu> you should be happy if you find something that slashes your death risk 10% – that is substantial.

{03:21:14 am} <lakitu> another therapy I’d suggest to research is oxygen therapy; you can only go maybe 30, 45 seconds to a minute without oxygen before you begin to get brain damage – it’s *that important*.

{03:23:01 am} <lakitu> in biochemistry they teach that there are three main processes in our cells at that level: transporting in nutrients, transporting out waste (such as dead matter & toxins), & healing using oxygen… oxygen very simply is a healer; that’s what it does for us, simply put.

{03:25:25 am} <lakitu> if you have something like a stroke, or traumatic brain injury, oxygen therapy can heal your brain such that you have low/no cognitive complications – ones you otherwise would have – afterward; it was found to have this potential, particularly in combination with vitamin B3 – also known as niacin – in medical studies.

{03:26:30 am} <lakitu> you would want to administer it very soon after to prevent the effects the most & heal the quickest: the study did it within 24-48 hours after the stroke, for example.

{03:28:29 am} <lakitu> but you can have low/no cognitive complications using such therapies; & the side effects of oxygen & a vitamin just are not there – they are way healthy.

{03:31:31 am} <lakitu> (avoid the extended-release form of niacin (B3) because it often damages the liver.)

{03:33:46 am} <LionClan> Don’t recommend B3 for the duration of covid pandemic

{03:41:37 am} <lakitu> I was going to say, niacin is kind of a different beast in that it can supercharge what you take with it – excessively – & what you have in you, by dilating the endothelial cells, veins, & arteries – which collectively are “the vessels” – & distribute what you take with it or have in you farther, deeper into your body. it has its uses & – combined with oxygen – stroke / brain injury/damage seems like one of them – but it is one I would

{03:41:37 am} <lakitu> be careful about taking if you have a pathogen problem or if you are trying to naively combine it with other medicines, as it can make their effectiveness to strong & make you lightheaded, etc.

{03:42:38 am} <inhahe_> lakitu, isn’t iodine supplement really good for you? howcome I couldn’t find any in Walgreens?

{03:42:42 am} <lakitu> too strong*

{03:42:55 am} <lakitu> * I was going to say, niacin is kind of a different beast in that it can supercharge what you take with it – excessively – & what you have in you, by dilating the endothelial cells, veins, & arteries – which collectively are “the vessels” – & distribute what you take with it or have in you farther, deeper into your body. it has its uses & – combined with oxygen – stroke / brain injury/damage seems like one of them – but it is one I would

{03:42:55 am} <lakitu> be careful about taking if you have a pathogen problem or if you are trying to naively combine it with other medicines, as it can make their effectiveness too strong & make you lightheaded, etc.

{03:46:40 am} * LionClan has quit (Read error: EOF from client)

{03:47:06 am} * X sets channel limit to 37

{04:00:05 am} <lakitu> Vitamin D3, which we usually get thru Sun exposure (best around solar noon), can also cut your risk of dying by 50%, for the up to 90-95% percent of people deficient in vitamin D3: “Again, in the study those who corrected their deficiencies saw their risk of death drop by more than half.” if you try to supplement with oral D3 you have to supplement with magnesium & K2 or you face calcification of your arteries, which is a hardening that

{04:00:05 am} <lakitu> can lead to cardiovascular disease, you can read about. there is a grassrootshealth.net that will help you get convenient, affordable testing & get your vitamin D3 (& omega-3) levels right.

{04:00:27 am} <lakitu> (* vitamin D3.)

{04:01:08 am} <lakitu> (( * vitamin D3 / Vitamin D3. ))

Contra Anti Time Currency Concept Plagiarism Record

August 10th, 2024

https://t.co/nZBYsGumXY: I have writ a new currency concept: as we grow in culture, as we grow in technology, we are gaining more leisure time – for socialization, for the blogosphere & watching videos – for personal life deedery; (cont.)
— JOE VALENTYN (@joevalentyn) June 22, 2024

(cont.) this new currency unit is not fiat currency, nor de facto currency: it is time – manhours – people's lives they can share with you.

Time as a currency is something everyone has, & that still each person's worth – including for other people – is different. Time (cont.)
— JOE VALENTYN (@joevalentyn) June 22, 2024

(cont.) is a better currency than gold & silver & a better currency than fiat currency like the dollar or euro . . . & better than a new Japanese computer currency. It is perhaps the purest currency . . .

(cont.)
— JOE VALENTYN (@joevalentyn) June 22, 2024

(cont.) In the earliest sketch for this, you would agree how long & when you exchange your personal Love, care, kindness, & niceness for some agreed product and/or service. pic.twitter.com/LUJH7nJlBJ
— JOE VALENTYN (@joevalentyn) June 22, 2024

Contra Anti Philosophy Pedagogy Element Recidivist Plagiarism Time #2 Mini Notice

August 5th, 2024

A very very VERY! favorite philosophy teaching concept has been attempted to be heisted by a compusive Big Dataist drug addict.

Are they aliens that possess us to such self harm?

⸻ Valentyn_Joe
USA_Minnesota
2024_{August_5^th}

Contra Anti Life Philosophy Concept Recidivist Plagiarism Attempt #2 Notice Mini

August 5th, 2024

A concept that was developed for around 8 years was attempted to be plagiarized from my life philosophy for an at least a 2nd time. This is critical or more important for the heirs to this culture, for reasons that may not be immediately obvious.

Back to the underworld, demon!!!

⸻ Valentyn_Joe
USA_Minnesota
2024_{August_5^th}

HEALTHIEST THINGS I KNOW: TO GET THE MOST LONGLIVED HEALTH OF THE BODY, THE #1 WAY I KNOW IS: JUICING. (AN UPDATE.)

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June 3rd, 2021

As an update to the original: https://joevalentyn.org/press/2015/06/11/healthiest-things-i-know-part-one/.

Excerpted from a letter to my Grandmom ¡JoAnn!:

JAKE IS A WONDERFUL MUSICIAN FRIEND WHO LIVES IN BEMIDJI, MINNESOTA WHO HAS I-WONDER IN MANY WAYS HAD A SIMILAR EXPERIENCE AS ME & MAYBE YOU, ‘MOM!:

Jun 17, 2020, 11:49 AM

JAKE: What kind of Juice did you drink when you were healing yourself???

ME: hey Jake Brother – i’ll grab my best juicing info for you – these are how i got started, & what i use/used:

ME: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/13/benefits-of-juicing.aspx joevalentyn.org/press/2015/06/11/healthiest-things-i-know-part-one/ http://joevalentyn.org/press/2017/10/22/juicing-ideas-for-you/

{Picture of dark-leafy-green veggie juices.}

Juicing | What are the Health Benefits of Juicing?

articles.mercola.com

ME: three links there, in order i’d consider reading them

ME: basic, basic, foundations type info’

ME: type informatino.

ME: (information*)

JAKE: ?

ME: after you get what you want out of those, i can help you with some basic recipes

JAKE: Very well, thanks!

ME: rock

ME:t hat last link teaches you how to only need to juice once a week, not once every other day – using lactofermented food brines

ME: hope you’re doing alright with your help brotherman! thanks for dropping me messages

ME: i’ve been healthy & ‘out of there’ since then.

ME :crazy times.

ME: (i mean in America, etc.)

JAKE: ?

ME: help/health*

ME: …i meant health.

ME: i’ve been healthy (meaning re my physiological health of course – my allergies, "stroke-like" thing… blah blah blah. just to be clear . . . )

ME: – i had meant . . .

JAKE: That’s great to hear!

Jun 25, 2020, 10:05 PM

JAKE: Hope you are doing well bro, wish you the best ?✌️?

Jun 26, 2020, 12:27 AM

ME: hey Jake, i’ll take the best! about those juices you were looking to cure up with: after a lot of experimentation, i’ve learned you should avoid excess parsley in juices, because it can overload your kidneys if you have a lot of toxins, & you should avoid excess radishes in your juices, because it can overload your liver if you have too many toxins. also, some say broccoli juice causes goiters in excess & asparagus can cause cancer. those are the only real health cavaets i can think of offhand.

as far as taste, my overall basic recipe formula is: flavorizer(s) + volumerizer(s) + deep, dark leafy green(s) + optional herb(s) + optional extras, where:

flavorizers are like lemon (which is low in bad sugar, fructose), lime (same), and/or fennel bulb (just the bulb – tastes like grape bubble gum); they make it palatable;

volumizers are celery and/or cucumber, they add volume & also really really help to make it palatable;

deep, dark leafy greens are listed everywhere, but favorites are spinach & romaine lettuce, & green & red leaf lettuce. these are the healthiest according to the experts i talk to & i try to add different kinds per juice. experimenting will get you the right amount per; too much & its too bitter to stomach. e.g 3-5 ounces of spinach would be a fair amount for one of the juice servings (8-12 oz) i make.

herbs you know, but i will just say after much experience, you actually can use onions, garlics, & ginger (mentioned) below, if you really really ration the amount – here’s the magic numbers i’ve found for them:

· onion: max of 1/15th of a medium onion per 8-12oz juice;

· garlic: max of ‘1 bit’ (about a 1/3rd to a 1/5th) of ‘1 cut’ (about the size of a usual supplement pill, & as much as you could reasonably eat max at once). the juicing will bring out gloads of flavor when you use garlic.

· ginger: same as garlic, if not less.

optional extras: most anything else you want to be creative & try. Mercola said he loves raw coconut, for example. i like adding farm food, like tomatoes & as i said, onions.

use those other links for important other information too!

thanks for saying hi! have a wavy day!

– Joe

Jun 26, 2020, 2:11 PM

JAKE: ?

As an update, I include this explanation in an email to someone I Love very much & even have publications planned with, outside of health:

hey Martha – after long enough juicing, I’ve gotten pretty good at flavor, & preservation, & can help you with either of those, but this time I want to tell you about how juicing *detoxes you*, & that can, with enough toxins being filtered thru & then out of your body, make you feel fatigued, or give you kidney discomfort or pain. the way I’ve found to deal with this is:

1) drink your juice in quarters/halves at a time – separated by say 6 hours or 12 hours;

2) drink 1-2 bottles of water right when you feel say fatigued or kidney pressure after drinking a juice;

& 3) cut your intake of juice, at first to a *a quarter, is what I use for a rule of thumb with natural medicine side effects, etc*, & then inch back up to find your optimum level you can tolerate.

I esp. notice this in-the-long-run wonderful detoxing effect with certain veggies like curley parsley, which does a beautiful job cleansing the kidneys.

Other veggies to avoid or go low on juicing:

Broccoli (avoid) – can cause goiters, some say

Asparagus (avoid) – agian, *some* say it can cause cancer

Radishes (*) – these are extremely powerful liver cleansers, but the problem is we are extremely toxified (the liver cleanses toxins, as do the kidneys – that’s what the liver **does** – it’s its purpose), so the extreme cleansing meets the extreme toxifiedness of the liver & a strong, painful reaction can ensue. if you’re like me, & if you’re interested in cleansing the kidney, you then look to starting withi a little bit of radish, & scaling up safely, since its so economical AT cleansing the liver. but otherwise (hence the “*” after “Radishes”, at the beginning of this paragraph) **avoid radishes in plant juicing**

Curley parlsey (*) – similar deal: it’s great at what it does: cleanse kidneys, liver, but we’re so toxified (from environmental & food toxins) we must go easy with this. I find I can juice two bunches of curley parsley if I split the juice in half (8oz every 12 hours) & then drink bottles of water when first starting with it. but I am that-much more toxified from the pills. You’d do best to do this: 1) juice the curley parsley into a separate juicer catcher/container, & then add little bits each day, experimenting with more & more to see that you feel ok when you drink it. if you don’t notice e.g. kidney pressure at night (which if you do, as I say drink 1-2 bottles of water to help flush toxins out), then you can progressively add more & more to ’till you’re at your desired amount (e.g. two bunches of curley parsely per 7-9 16oz veggie juice batches you make (remember you can make more than 2 days worth if you add 1oz of Bubbie’s sauerkraut brine to each 16oz of juice, which will preserve it up to 9 days instead of max 2 ((days))…)).

so if you experience fatigue or kidney discomfort, do the above – drink it in quarters or halves spaced out thruout the day, drink 1-2 bottles of water when you first start to feel that way, & cut your intake of juice or at least that ingredient in the juice recipe (& optionally find a good amount you can tolerate – starting very low & giving it 24 hours from dose ’til you gather it doesn’t make you feel fatigue or discomfort.)

Love you! Juicing is one of the healthiest things I know!
Yours,
Joe

& As a second update I will say if you add sugary veggies like carrots & tomatoes, etc, then the preservation should last about 7 days rather than 9, which still saves you 6/7ths of your work.

Healthilicious Dishes: Rad’ Low Calorie Delicious Five Wrap Dish Recipe

August 1st, 2024

Small grammar emend 2024_{August_22^nd}:

Lowerererer calories!

& scrumptious.

Simply use a romaine leaf lettuce leaf (because they are thick & won’t tear) to wrap your favorite veggies & topping (I Love mustard – & it has “trace” carbs & is 3 calories per teaspoon) & eat them like a burrito – enjoying a negative twenty-one gram carb slash from each otherwise 21 gram tortilla wrap you would eat. I feel great eating five leaf veggie wraps at around 45 calories for the dish (meaning for the five).

This move slashes up to 105 carb grams from a 5 tortilla veggie wrap down to – for my veggie choices – around three carbs from 1 medium diced tomato among the five leaf veggie wraps.

There isn’t really a limit to how you can combo the veggies! Spread ’em!!

Joe Valentyn!

“The Norns (Old Norse: norn, plural: nornir) in Norse mythology[1] are female beings who rule the destiny of gods and men.”

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April 21st, 2020

“The Norns (Old Norse: norn, plural: nornir) in Norse mythology[1] are female beings who rule the destiny of gods and men.”
⸻⸻⸻ from The Norns, on Wikipedia.

Interesting, re feminism, matriarchy, as I’ve mentioned lately.

Contra Anti Visual Art Concept Recidivist Plagiarism Notice Mini #2

July 27th, 2024

One more time a fave fave fave art concept is on the chopping block. trying to run out with her in his pants. Gladly he helps himself plagiarizing from my concept from years before. This is his at least umpteenth plagiarism attempt.

⸻ Valentyn_Joe
USA_Minnesota
2024_{July_27^th}

LATINAS COMMUNIQUE

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February 21st, 2020

This spread’s title changed century twenty-one year twenty-one month four day twenty around 5:30pm.

This communique was originally conceived approximately early Winter, Spring of 2016, & composed around January – February of 2020.

Latinas… Latinas are truly as if plucked out of a fantasy: of the most beautiful women we could hope to get.

No lies there.

Latino men are proportionately Romantic.

Reach out to us in the rest of The West ⸻ let us touch hands with you ⸻ We Love You.

These – affluence-wise – ever-so healthy, blindingly Beautiful Latina women & also these Latino men have one-tenth of our wealth; & deserve everything we have once over for themselves.

Let us touch hands with you ⸻ reach out to us in the rest of The West ⸻ we are not greedy ⸻ & We Love You.

Latinas are even one & the same– these most sexy, healthy inside-&-out women– race: we are “Hispanic & Non-Hispanic Whites”, per the Census Bureau. We are called White Americans. & Latinos are Christian ⸻ largely: 92% of who many call Hispanic Americans are Christians ⸻ & very spiritual ones at that.

Let’s get in touch ⸻ why not chat up everyone you meet online, on the street, peoples? Step up & say hey. We Love You ⸻ We Love You ⸻ We Love You.

We do not hate other Westerners.

We are not afraid of the unknown.

Westerners embrace that blind date with the ones said to be the best at Love itself, no less.

– My actual message is: Latinas are hottt ⸻ they’re the best Lovers ⸻ & they need help we can provide ⸻

Did I mention the hotttness of Latinas?

Are you just going to stand there? Maybe holding your piece?

Latin-American relations × ∞.

A New Sort Of Sort

July 22nd, 2024

Take the most recent 400 agenda items you’ve written, & then sort those most recent 400 agenda items by priority: importance * urgency * reps * work for example: you have your 400 highest priority ideas from the past maybe 19 weeks.

Get My Girls to a Nunnery!
{Priority: 1 & 1/3 zillion;}
Get more protection for Samantha!
{Priority: 1 zillion;}

︙

This gives you an overview for what is highest priority in recent weeks – or decades: whatever most recent duration you chose.

This shows a new sort of sort for computing that is powerful for me in what I do.

I haven’t seen this in other software!

⸻ Valentyn_Joe
USA_Minnesota
2024_{July_22^nd}

Philosophers vs. psychiatrists & psychologists mentally, in terms of soundness, etc.

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February 18th, 2020

I thought this was interesting:

Mental soundness is often attributed to those who make a life’s work studying it, but philosophers far & away outdo psychs, per the GRE (grad school exams given to most disciplines), and, much more.

Here’s some other gems from the original website:

‘The standardized test used to assess applicants to graduate school in management and business. (The Graduate Management Admission Test (GMAT), typically for Master of Business Administration degrees (MBAs)).’

“Mean LSAT scores by major (2015). The LSAT is the entrance exam for law school.”

“Average Number of Standard Deviations Above the Mean for the Three Sections of the GRE (2019). The GRE is the standardized test used to assess applicants to graduate school in most disciplines. Graph by Tomas Bogardus.”

“Mean GRE Verbal scores by major (2015). The GRE is the standardized test used to assess applicants to graduate school in most disciplines.”

My own test scores were ninety-ninth percentile in all categories in the state-standards testing I took, & fourteenth-grade for overall comprehension in grade school.

Things to think about.

(While you’re hear check out some of my poetry: joevalentyn.org/press/?search=poem, or check back in this space for my new feature: trading battle scars — or photos! You decide, *laughing*.)

Joe Valentyn
February, 2020

Contra Anti Song Idea & Song Title Idea Plagiarism Attempt Notice Mini

July 22nd, 2024

A fave song concept was attempted to be plagiarized by the “IDEA” Big Dataist Democratic goon . . .

He said he used anti heritage hate hit anti relationship hate hit anti Sex hate hit anti Love hate hit demonry in the attempt.

Nepot “IDEA” Big Dataist addict!

⸻ Valentyn_Joe
USA_Minnesota
2024_{July_22^nd}

We Should Make A Serious Reappraisal Of The Worth Of The Elder In Society

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March 21st, 2019

Sapience, Wisdom, Experience, & World-Weary Ways are commodities.

Good ideas & good advice are a commodity, in this Life.

With 1,000,000 of your 1,000,000 dollars, you ought to value your elders’ rightness, Love, & all their grandness they bring.

Mature members of our world are not any less than leaders, wise women & men, & it is a massive sin to throw away our mature leaders of such worth.

Venerate the elder.

Thank you.

– Joseph Jerome Valentyn

Contra Anti Political Theory Personalia Hyper Scale Recidivist Plagiarism Attempt Notice Mini #2

July 22nd, 2024

The same nepot “IDEA” Big Dataist plagiarist tried for a time number at least 2 to plagiarize my political personalia -leaving none not! – in his desperation.

⸻ Valentyn_Joe
USA_Minnesota
2024_{July_22^nd}

Contra Anti Mega Scale Philosophy Element Recidivist Plagiarism Attempt Notice Mini

July 22nd, 2024

This insecure envy addict tried using his patented plagiarism stuff to try to plagiaize me.

This is something Like time number 5 for him.

Nepotist Big Dataist scammer!

⸻ Valentyn_Joe
USA_Minnesota
2024_{July_22^nd}

Title emendation seconds after publishing.

Contra Anti Program Concept Recidivist Plagiarism Attempt Notice Mini

July 20th, 2024

The large scale recidivist plagiarist attempted to steal the a large part in the concept for the program I have partly shared online.

He does this by hostage taking with the Chinese.

⸻ Valentyn_Joe
USA_Minnesota
2024_{July_20^th}