I am lakitu, here (Joe (Jerome) Valentyn):
{12:45:07 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> interesting kblom. i know you don’t say such lightly
{12:45:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> good morning – & also fattratt, MDeanr`, et al
{12:45:56 pm (CDT):} <MDeanr`> hi lakitu
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{12:46:47 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> how are you Dean?
{12:47:31 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i hope well
{12:48:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> so did you run a practice against COVID, & everything else, all this time?
{12:48:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> if you want to say
{12:50:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> maybe you want to relive that even less
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{12:50:50 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> wb chip.
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{12:51:11 pm (CDT):} <fattratt> hello lakitu
{12:51:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> fattrattia
{12:51:30 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> heh heh heh
{12:51:33 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> hope you’re well
{12:51:51 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> saw you linking Wagner, discussing him
{12:51:59 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> also some Reid, & a little Hume
{12:53:29 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> linking or at least discussing
{12:54:32 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> have you ever tried reddit, fattratt? the people’s site?
{12:54:53 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> it’s kind of nice, finally letting myself dig into it more than a little,
{12:54:58 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> last nite.
{12:55:23 pm (CDT):} <fattratt> Is it truly the people’s site?
{12:55:39 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘is it *truly*?’ – good question
{12:55:44 pm (CDT):} <fattratt> Not some fiefdom of Zuckerberg or anyone like that?
{12:56:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> gal, well. i did look even this up, once
{12:57:14 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i try to make friends before i make enemies… i’ll leave you to your own conclusions, for now
{12:57:27 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> – but i will say there is a lot to like
{12:58:19 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> many alternative big sites are, as you say, owned by Zuckerberg, et al
{12:58:32 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> Instagram, e.g
{12:58:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> buy outs.
{01:00:23 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .wiki fiefdom
{01:00:46 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> 411 ‘smoking in the bathroom.
{01:01:12 pm (CDT):} <`411> “A fief (/fiːf/; Latin: feudum) was the central element of feudalism. It consisted of heritable property or rights granted by an overlord to a vassal who held it in fealty (or ‘in fee’) in return for a form of feudal allegiance and service, usually given by the personal ceremonies of homage and fealty. The fees were often lands or revenue-producing real property held in feudal land tenure: these are typically (…)”
{01:01:17 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fief
{01:03:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> what is the winning end game against feudalism? how does it end well?
{01:03:42 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> not say violent revolution, etc
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{01:11:25 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> [13:03:16] <@lakitu> what is the winning end game against feudalism? how does it end well?
{01:11:25 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> [13:03:39] <@lakitu> not say violent revolution, etc
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{01:19:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> *money, social status, power.* these huge leitmotivs reoccuring thruout Life.
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{01:21:47 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> part of the philosophy of life, for me – in part
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{01:22:16 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> part of the philosophy of life, for me.
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{01:23:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i distinguish fame from social status, but pair them, in listings.
{01:24:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (& of course infamy is not fame, for me)
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{01:29:12 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety status
{01:29:15 pm (CDT):} <`411> “1670s, ‘height’ of a situation or condition, later ‘legal standing of a person’ (1791), from Latin status ‘condition, position, state, manner, attitude,’ from past participle stem of stare ‘to stand,’ from PIE *ste-tu-, from root *sta- ‘to stand, make or be firm.’ Sense of ‘standing in one’s society or profession’ is from 1820. Status symbol first recorded 1955; status-seeker from 1956. Status-anxiety (…)
{01:29:17 pm (CDT):} <`411> is from 1959.”
{01:29:19 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/status
{01:29:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> oo, nice language.
{01:30:05 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> interesting. from 1820, only.
{01:30:23 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> maybe not the firmest rock, to build on.
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{01:31:21 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> 200 years ago is all. we did not have this in society before?
{01:34:00 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> what would we say, rank?
{01:34:17 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> or is that more official, officious – etc?
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{01:34:26 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> formal, at least – ?
{01:34:29 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> hmm
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{01:35:57 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> class?
{01:36:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> or is that a very wide net?
{01:36:15 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘there are three social classes’, etc
{01:36:20 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> – ?
{01:36:27 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> class, maybe.
{01:37:22 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> is one more male, the other more for females? by connotation?
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{01:39:35 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> [13:35:55] <@lakitu> class? [13:36:00] <@lakitu> or is that a very wide net? [13:36:13] <@lakitu> ‘there are three social classes’, etc [13:36:18] <@lakitu> – ? [13:36:25] <@lakitu> class, maybe. [13:37:20] <@lakitu> is one more male, the other more for females? by connotation?
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{01:40:14 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety class
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{01:40:39 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety class
{01:42:23 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> status to me connotes this sociological, empirically-verifiable evidence, class is a little more open ended, but it has come to be identified with political economics, namely (here, today,) middle class, upper class, etc
{01:42:51 pm (CDT):} <`411> “c. 1600, ‘group of students,’ in U. S. especially ‘number of pupils in a school or college of the same grade,’ from French classe (14c.), from Latin classis ‘a class, a division; army, fleet,’ especially ‘any one of the six orders into which Servius Tullius divided the Roman people for the purpose of taxation;’ traditionally originally ‘the people of Rome under arms’ (a sense attested in English from (…)
{01:42:57 pm (CDT):} <`411> 1650s), and thus akin to calare ‘to call (to arms),’ from PIE root *kele- (2) ‘to shout.’ In early use in English also in Latin form classis. Meaning ‘an order or rank of persons, a number of persons having certain characteristics in common’ is from 1660s. School and university sense of ‘course, lecture’ (1650s) is from the notion of a form or lecture reserved to scholars who had attained a certain (…)
{01:43:04 pm (CDT):} <`411> “c. 1600, ‘group of students,’ in U. S. especially ‘number of pupils in a school or college of the same grade,’ from French classe (14c.), from Latin classis ‘a class, a division; army, fleet,’ especially ‘any one of the six orders into which Servius Tullius divided the Roman people for the purpose of taxation;’ traditionally originally ‘the people of Rome under arms’ (a sense attested in English from (…)
{01:43:12 pm (CDT):} <`411> level. Natural history sense ‘group of related plants or animals’ is from 1753. Meaning ‘high quality’ is from 1874. Meaning ‘a division of society according to status’ (with upper, lower, etc.) is from 1763. Class-consciousness (1903) is from German Klassenbewusst. The fault, the evil, in a class society is when privilege exists without responsibility and duty. The evil of the classless society is that (…)
{01:43:21 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> repeating.
{01:43:22 pm (CDT):} <`411> 1650s), and thus akin to calare ‘to call (to arms),’ from PIE root *kele- (2) ‘to shout.’ In early use in English also in Latin form classis. Meaning ‘an order or rank of persons, a number of persons having certain characteristics in common’ is from 1660s. School and university sense of ‘course, lecture’ (1650s) is from the notion of a form or lecture reserved to scholars who had attained a certain (…)
{01:43:27 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/class
{01:43:30 pm (CDT):} <`411> level. Natural history sense ‘group of related plants or animals’ is from 1753. Meaning ‘high quality’ is from 1874. Meaning ‘a division of society according to status’ (with upper, lower, etc.) is from 1763. Class-consciousness (1903) is from German Klassenbewusst. The fault, the evil, in a class society is when privilege exists without responsibility and duty. The evil of the classless society is that (…)
{01:43:34 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/class
{01:45:09 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> of course i’m pointing out flaws in using these words this way – re economic ‘classes’ which are popular now to be spoken of.
{01:45:27 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i guess one way of referring to this would be ‘high society’
{01:45:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> – as an adjective, ‘high-society’
{01:47:48 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> we seldom distinguish wealth from social status, in our language: ‘upper class’ means rich, & it also means refined, pedigreed
{01:47:53 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> of a high pedigree*
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{01:48:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> the distinction is not made (most often).
{01:50:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> to be rich & ignoble would be some kind of unmentionable embarrassment.
{01:51:07 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> some kind of unmentionability.
{01:51:12 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> or unmentionable.
{01:51:27 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (((some kind of unmentionable.)))
{01:54:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> a dysfunctional black sheep of the family who was an exception, rather than characteristic of upper class families
{01:56:59 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> nobility is another word that occured to me, in this synonym ring. i would then comment that it may be preponderantly masculine, also, or itself, at least in its connotation to me
{01:57:40 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> if we were to include it.
{01:58:19 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> again semi-official, official, etc
{01:58:40 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> in Europe they may have a more sentimental– & unspoken– affinity for ‘nobility’ tho
{01:58:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> they/you
{01:59:43 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> semi-official, official, in one meaning of it
{02:00:09 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> probably the public face of it, tho that doesn’t mean the best & most meaningful sense
{02:00:32 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety nobility
{02:00:41 pm (CDT):} <`411> “mid-14c., nobilite, ‘honor, renown; majesty, grandeur;’ late 14c., ‘quality of being excellent or rare,’ from Old French nobilite ‘high rank; dignity, grace; great deed’ (12c., Modern French nobilité), and directly from Latin nobilitatem (nominative nobilitas) ‘celebrity, fame; high birth; excellence, superiority; the nobles,’ from nobilis ‘well-known, prominent’ (see noble (adj.)). Meaning ‘quality of (…)
{02:00:45 pm (CDT):} <`411> being of noble rank or birth; social or political preeminence, usually accompanied by hereditary privilege’ is attested from late 14c.; sense of ‘the noble class collectively’ is from late 14c. Sense of ‘dignity of mind, elevation of the soul, loftiness of tone’ is from 1590s.”
{02:00:47 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/nobility
{02:03:10 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘honor’ is a great association to make here – probably originating in time immemorial
{02:03:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> & ‘dignity’ might be the or a raw, arecognized form. {sic} (without reference to recognition).
{02:04:13 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (without reference to recognition.)
{02:05:00 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> you could be poor, cupping for water, but still be within yourself in a way that has very high dignity.
{02:05:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> these are their own huge ‘leitmotivs’, in the sense above, thruout history
{02:05:56 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘honor’, ‘dignity’– & so on
{02:07:56 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety pedigree
{02:07:59 pm (CDT):} <`411> “early 15c., pedigrue, ‘genealogical table or chart,’ from Anglo-French pe de gru, a variant of Old French pied de gru ‘foot of a crane,’ from Latin pedem accusative of pes ‘foot’ (from PIE root *ped- ‘foot’) + gruem (nominative grus) ‘crane,’ cognate with Greek geranos, Old English cran; see crane (n.)). On old manuscripts, ‘descent’ was indicated by a forked sign resembling the branching lines of a (…)
{02:08:05 pm (CDT):} <`411> genealogical chart; the sign also happened to look like a bird’s footprint. On this theory the form was influenced in Middle English by association with degree. This explanation dates back to Skeat and Sweet in the late 1800s. The word obviously is of French origin, and pied de gru is the only Old French term answering to the earliest English forms, but this sense is not attested in Old French (Modern (…)
{02:08:11 pm (CDT):} <`411> French pédigree is from English). Perhaps it was a fanciful extension developed in Anglo-French. Other explanations are considered untenable. The crane was at the time in question very common in England and France, and it figures in many similes, proverbs, and allusions. The term appears to be extant in the surname Pettigrew, Pettygrew …. [Century Dictionary] Meaning ‘ancestral line’ is mid-15c.; of (…)
{02:08:13 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/pedigree
{02:11:26 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .dictionary pedigree
{02:11:27 pm (CDT):} <`411> § noun: 1. A chart, list, or record of ancestors, to show breeding, especially distinguished breeding. [from 15th c.]; 2. A person’s ancestral history; ancestry, lineage. [from 15th c.]; 3. (uncou.) Good breeding or ancestry. [from 15th c.]; 4. The history or provenance of an idea, custom etc. [from 16th c.]; 5. The (…) — from https://en.wiktionary.org/?title=pedigree
{02:12:16 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> meaning (3).
{02:13:11 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> meaning*/sense.
{02:13:38 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (a couple posts above.)
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{02:15:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety noble
{02:15:07 pm (CDT):} <`411> “c. 1200, ‘illustrious, distinguished, of high rank or birth,’ from Old French noble ‘of noble bearing or birth,’ from Latin nobilis ‘well-known, famous, renowned; excellent, superior, splendid; high-born, of superior birth,’ earlier *gnobilis, literally ‘knowable,’ from gnoscere ‘to come to know,’ from PIE root *gno- ‘to know.’ The prominent Roman families, which were ‘well known,’ provided most of the (…)
{02:15:13 pm (CDT):} <`411> Republic’s public officials. Sense of ‘distinguished by splendor, magnificence, or stateliness’ is from late 13c. Meaning ‘worthy of honor or respect ‘ is from mid-14c. Sense of ‘having lofty character, having high moral qualities’ is from c. 1600. Noble savage is ‘primitive man conceived of as morally superior to civilized man;’ the phrase itself is from Dryden; the idea developed in the 18c. I am as (…)
{02:15:18 pm (CDT):} <`411> free as Nature first made Man,Ere the base Laws of Servitude began,When wild in Woods the noble Savage ran.[Dryden, ‘Conquest of Granada,’ 1672] A noble gas (1902) is so called for its inactivity or inertness; a use of the word that had been applied in Middle English to precious stones, metals, etc., that did not alter or oxidize when exposed to air (late 14c.), with noble in the sense of ‘having (…)
{02:15:20 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/noble
{02:16:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> knowable…
{02:16:55 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> wow . . .
{02:17:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu>
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{02:37:39 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> women– being perfect– are so consumed by being high-society – by pedigree (good breeding), having class, true nobility, (social) status, fame.
{02:38:21 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> nobility*, i will say, rather
{02:40:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> in Casanova’s Europe, this was in fine form. reading Casanova is featherstuffed with references to high society
{02:41:12 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> – as is Ovid consumed by high society, in his “Loves”, etc. (be sure to read the J. Lewis May translation, I recommend.)
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{03:16:17 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> both nursing the hidden disfigurement simply of being men, haha, in this. being one of women’s realms as it is.
{03:23:00 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> high society. class. dignity. grace. graciousness. pedigree, good breeding. rank, status. fame. elegance.
{03:25:08 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> …Ovid was an “elegist”,
{03:25:27 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> one of his only memorable descriptions of himself, for me
{03:25:52 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> if you asked ‘what he was’, that: an elegist.
{03:27:23 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (* one of his only memorable descriptions of himself, for me.)
{03:30:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety elegance
{03:30:36 pm (CDT):} <`411> “c. 1500, ‘tastefulness, correctness, harmoniousness, refinement,’ of speech or prose, from Middle French élégance, from Latin elegantia ‘taste, propriety, refinement,’ from elegantem (see elegant). Earlier form was elegancy (early 15c.). Meaning ‘refined luxury’ is from 1797. Via French come German Eleganz, Swedish elegans, etc.”
{03:30:38 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/elegance
{03:32:05 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> taste.
{03:33:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> taste… – & let’s see: elegant:
{03:33:35 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety elegant
{03:33:39 pm (CDT):} <`411> “late 15c., ‘tastefully ornate,’ from Middle French élégant (15c.), from Latin elegantem (nominative elegans) ‘choice, fine, tasteful,’ collateral form of present participle of eligere ‘select with care, choose’ (see election). Meaning ‘characterized by refined grace’ is from 1520s. Latin elegans originally was a term of reproach, ‘dainty, fastidious;’ the notion of ‘tastefully refined’ emerged in (…)
{03:33:44 pm (CDT):} <`411> classical Latin. Related: Elegantly. Elegant implies that anything of an artificial character to which it is applied is the result of training and cultivation through the study of models or ideals of grace; graceful implies less of consciousness, and suggests often a natural gift. A rustic, uneducated girl may be naturally graceful, but not elegant. [Century Dictionary]”
{03:33:46 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/elegant
{03:36:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .wiki Century Dictionary
{03:36:35 pm (CDT):} <`411> “The Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia is one of the largest encyclopedic dictionaries of the English language. In its day it was compared favorably with the Oxford English Dictionary and frequently consulted for more factual information than would normally be the case for a dictionary. The Century Dictionary is based on The Imperial Dictionary of the English Language, edited by Rev. John Ogilvie (1797–1867) and (…)”
{03:36:37 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Dictionary
{03:36:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> just checking the years
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{03:37:08 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ah – well around 100 years old or more, I would say.
{03:37:09 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> Hi Kids!
{03:37:30 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> but yes: elegant’s etymology.
{03:37:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (“elegant”‘s.)
{03:37:59 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> – hi Thom.
{03:38:09 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> Tommy
{03:38:13 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> Thomas.
{03:38:15 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> Hello lakitu
{03:38:17 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> *smiles*
{03:38:17 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> Tommy
{03:38:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> haha
{03:38:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> hi *Tommy* ^_xX
{03:40:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘el-‘ – ‘sel-‘…
{03:40:14 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> . . . *
{03:41:07 pm (CDT):} <kblom> I’d guess ex+legere
{03:41:31 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> “i select the best” was one definition of root word of eclecticism, which I used to practice, & also preach.
{03:41:42 pm (CDT):} <kblom> maybe ex+ligare
{03:43:28 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> If something is implicit when I imply, is it explicit when I exply?
{03:44:43 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘tastefully ornate’ (*gathering from that etymology again.)
{03:46:33 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> * (*gathering from that etymology again.*)
{03:46:39 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ahem
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{03:51:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> looking back in this client, i can see crucial posts of mine were being mysteriously blocked from #philosophical again: {01:11:25 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> [13:03:16] <@lakitu> what is the winning end game against feudalism? how does it end well?
{03:51:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> {01:11:25 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> [13:03:39] <@lakitu> not say violent revolution, etc
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{03:51:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> {01:19:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> *money, social status, power.* these huge leitmotivs reoccuring thruout Life.
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{03:51:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> {01:21:47 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> part of the philosophy of life, for me – in part
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{03:52:42 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> wow, changes the whole conversation
{03:52:50 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> the whole discussion
{03:53:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> John was here recently, I wonder if he knows. I think he’s an Undernet SOP or similar.
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{03:56:02 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i was saying *money, (“)social status(“), power* were leitmotivs reoccurring thruout life, & *****that***** is what was part of the philosophy of life, *****to begin this oration*****
{03:56:57 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> not ‘the questions of “violent revolution”‘ as you were misled to believe
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{03:58:28 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> The problem with a feudal system is the same as every other social structure on the planet (not restricted to humans.)
{03:59:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i just happened to extra-investigate this =(
{03:59:54 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> The problem with societies on earth is the method of succession of leadership.
{04:01:34 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i noticed that i tried to tell artalien in the first Winter of 2018 that I had read a 650-page book on applied philosophy over the last month & half or so, then. it was never sent or recorded… i looked diligently thru my logs, even finding the actual conversation itself.
{04:02:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i think i have graduated beyond IRC, all told.
{04:02:19 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> Applied philosophy? To what except itself can philosophy be applied?
{04:04:58 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> I*.
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{04:09:35 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> what a grave, grievous disappointing thing.
{04:09:43 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> * what a grave, grievous, disappointing thing.
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{04:10:55 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> There’s more of gravy than of grave to you!
{04:15:53 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> brb
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{04:50:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> what a… oh it doesn’t even matter that I think of the word anymore. beyond what it is, maybe it is also a liberation
(…)
{06:23:58 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> continued: stateliness of course being king of those– perhaps being regal being queen: being high-society. having class; dignity; grace; graciousness; pedigree, good breeding; status, rank; fame; elegance… & then again maybe there is no finish to whom is queen of those.
{06:28:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> & very likely, i know nothing about nothing about that – the queen elegance.
{06:34:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> the queen, finest-material elegance of them all.
{06:36:45 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> likely.
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{06:45:53 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> then again i had the luckiestness to get to know gmolly, real name Martha from Tucson.
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{06:47:43 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> little aristobrat. {sic}
{06:47:57 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> heh . . .
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{06:51:40 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> truly regal…
{06:51:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> …& stately.
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{06:53:56 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> something like Divinity to know . . . =D
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This concludes our own elegism dialogue.
Dedicated to women, who are perfect; & whose only sulksome illusion they are not is inflicted by the tentative blemishes adorned upon thyselves by enemies of women’s inner & outer Beauty: the envious, the jealous, the wrongfully lusting, the drunken . . . . .
& In reminding you that some of us Scandinavians say that the gods rule men;
but the Norns, who are female, rule the gods & men.
– Valentyn
(A disruption’s missing piece recouped as an addendum:)
{10:26:36 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> well i have a dialogue– those nasty, non-philosophy, audience transgressing ones of mine as John labeled them– from yesterday, the Elegy dialogue I ( http://joevalentyn.org/press/2020/08/24/elegism-dialogue-i-being-high-society-having-class-dignity-grace-graciousness-pedigree-status-elegance-the-regal-stateliness-also-with-an-attempt-at-the-queen-king-elegances-whispering/ ) from yesterday, but at 17 chatters, we do not quite have a
{10:26:36 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> quorum
{10:26:40 pm (CDT):} <JohnStar> Title: Elegism dialogue I: Being high-society. Having class; dignity; grace; graciousness; pedigree; status; elegance; the regal; & stateliness. Also with an attempt at the queen & king elegances, whispering aloud that there may be no finish to the double spiral staircase upwards to the final queen elegance. Amen. ⸻ â¡, Joe Valentyn
{10:26:45 pm (CDT):} <`411> — “Elegism dialogue I: Being high-society. Having class; dignity; grace; graciousness; pedigree; status; elegance; the regal; & stateliness. Also with an attempt at the queen & king elegances, whispering aloud that there may be no finish to the double spiral staircase upwards to the final queen elegance. Amen. ⸻ ♡, Joe Valentyn”
{10:27:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> from yesterday, to continue, i was trying to say
{10:27:19 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> only as important as those words listed there…
{10:27:52 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> as important as you find those words there…
{10:29:57 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> –now my computer is freezing up–
{10:30:12 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> that the channel is out of order, means i will have to carry on without, then
{10:31:21 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> that the channel is out of order, means i will have to carry on without, i was trying to say
{10:32:17 pm (CDT):} <Mariu> Springfield
{10:33:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> but i will try anyway:
{10:33:56 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> gratitude, is a pantheon member, of those, too.
{10:34:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> re “Being high-society. Having class; dignity; grace; graciousness; pedigree; status; elegance; the regal; & stateliness”)
{10:34:59 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> err being regal; being stately*
{10:35:55 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> so: *re Being high-society. Having class; dignity; grace; graciousness; pedigree; status; elegance; being regal; being stately
{10:36:09 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ((being regal; stately)
{10:42:47 pm (CDT):} <Mariu> these things will not help science by much and nor they will be preventing certain situations where one person ends up having no class. It will also not help you live longer either
{10:44:11 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> gratitude is that expression of the unsaid– otherwise– gratefulness between us in caring acts & expressions, kind gestures, that warmth we thrive on, or die from: without.
{10:45:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> like Sunshine, the enjoyful appearing attractively tanned, over their whole self.
{10:46:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (those enjoying it fully enough)
{10:46:12 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> attractively tan*
{10:46:20 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i was meaning to say.
{10:47:19 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> * like Sunshine, those enjoying it fully enough appearing attractively tan, all over themselves.
{10:48:20 pm (CDT):} <Mariu> coding in an elegant manner, now that is art
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{10:48:35 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> {10:48:32 pm (CDT):} Mariu!*@* added to ignore list.
{10:48:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> citing the plague dialogue v
{10:49:51 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> he’s from the Orient or something. by his own mentions
{10:50:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> anyway, continuing:
{10:50:19 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ((…trying…))
{10:50:51 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> well i’ll conclude this addendum here
{10:51:02 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .
{10:51:05 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (thank you!)
{10:51:13 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> thank you, heh heh.
{10:51:37 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> oh–
{10:51:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> hmm
{10:52:01 pm (CDT):} * lakitu remembering something from someone absent
{10:52:07 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> err–
{10:52:35 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> well yes, there is Love & thanks, in a way. good to learn both of those.
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{10:53:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> there is Love, & it is different from thanks but thanks is no big baddie
{10:53:09 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> , itself.
{10:53:31 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> * there is Love, & it is different from thanks, but thanks is no big baddie, itself.
{10:53:42 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> * (there is Love, & it is different from thanks, but thanks is no big baddie, itself.)
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<lakitutoo> ah, my computer froze up fully
<lakitutoo> my computer froze up beyond any kind of use at all
<lakitutoo> so i am back on this 2nd computer.
<lakitutoo> i was saying, & so it is well to practice gratitude in both romance & diplomacy.
<lakitutoo> i*
<lakitutoo> I*
<lakitutoo> *
<lakitutoo> not sure where that word came from: romance & Life.
<lakitutoo> romance & life.*
<lakitutoo> & which goes hand in hand with care & kindness.
<+Mariu> ignoring is not caring
<lakitutoo> ah there you are again: have to /ignore you again
<lakitutoo> plague v dialogue man
<lakitutoo> & i was just before he said that starting to type, a little disruption here, fighting thru it
<lakitutoo> or trying
<lakitutoo> I*
<lakitutoo> largely I came to say,
<lakitutoo> gratitude had been, as just mentioned, something that was bemeaning to say, but did not get said untl now
<lakitutoo> , until now.*
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<lakitutoo> what we can understand as a delay on the assembly line
<lakitutoo> what we can understand as a delay on the assembly line,* something like that.
<lakitutoo> * – something like that.
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<lakitutoo> & so the the Elegism dialogue I, the present addendum, is truly concluded, then.
(For the record: one case of bitrot or similar of two letters becoming dysphoniously switched was corrected by the switching back of those two letters, in the above addendum..)