{09:07:17 pm:} <lakitu> oh that reminds me

{09:07:26 pm:} <lakitu> –Ragtime feel free to work your topic

{09:09:56 pm:} <muadnem> The same people that don’t care about coronavirus deaths and now complaining about a dozen deaths from riots.

{09:10:02 pm:} <lakitu> –i had wanted to go on once again about this time summonry, i had mentioned… invoking a reminder schedule even months in advance

{09:12:36 pm:} <kblom> if the cops don’t get them covid19 will

{09:14:11 pm:} <kblom> political protest during a plague

{09:15:39 pm:} <kblom> sol I don’t see how that’s possible

{09:16:08 pm:} _Sol_!*@* removed from ignore list.

{09:16:33 pm:} <lakitu> _Sol_ you were accidentally on this ignore list, missed a comme[n]t or two of yours, maybe

{09:18:16 pm:} <lakitu> the old way of doing this was to use a calendar, & with enough diligence – & re-writing an entire calendar, if you did not ‘modularize’ your schedules you recorded, whenever you made a change

{09:18:21 pm:} <lakitu> .w horology

{09:18:28 pm:} <`411> “Horology (‘the study of time’, related to Latin horologium from Greek ὡρολόγιον, ‘instrument for telling the hour’, from ὥρα hṓra ‘hour; time’ and -o- interfix and suffix -logy)[1][2] is the study of the measurement of time. Clocks, watches, clockwork, sundials, hourglasses, clepsydras, timers, time recorders, marine chronometers, and atomic clocks are all examples of instruments used to measure time. In current (…)”

{09:18:30 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horology

{09:18:31 pm:} <lakitu> .w5 horology

{09:18:34 pm:} <`411> “Horology (‘the study of time’, related to Latin horologium from Greek ὡρολόγιον, ‘instrument for telling the hour’, from ὥρα hṓra ‘hour; time’ and -o- interfix and suffix -logy)[1][2] is the study of the measurement of time. Clocks, watches, clockwork, sundials, hourglasses, clepsydras, timers, time recorders, marine chronometers, and atomic clocks are all examples of instruments used to measure (…)”

{09:18:40 pm:} <`411> “time. In current usage, horology refers mainly to the study of mechanical time-keeping devices, while chronometry more broadly includes electronic devices that have largely supplanted mechanical clocks for the best accuracy and precision in time-keeping. People interested in horology are called horologists. That term is used both by people who deal professionally with timekeeping apparatus (watchmakers, (…)”

{09:18:46 pm:} <`411> “clockmakers), as well as aficionados and scholars of horology. Horology and horologists have numerous organizations, both professional associations and more scholarly societies. The largest horological membership organisation globally is the NAWCC, the National Association of Watch and Clock Collectors, which is USA based, but also has local chapters elsewhere. There are many horology museums and several (…)”

{09:18:52 pm:} <`411> “specialized libraries devoted to the subject. One example is the Royal Greenwich Observatory, which is also the source of the Prime Meridian (longitude 0° 0′ 0′), and the home of the first marine timekeepers accurate enough to determine longitude (made by John Harrison). Other horological museums in the London area include the Clockmakers’ Museum, which re-opened at the Science Museum in October 2015, the (…)”

{09:18:58 pm:} <`411> “horological collections at the British Museum, the Science Museum (London), and the Wallace Collection. In Upton, UK, at the headquarters of the British Horological Institute, there is the Museum of Timekeeping. One of the more comprehensive museums dedicated to horology is the Musée international d’horlogerie in La Chaux-de-Fonds (Switzerland). The Musée d’Horlogerie du Locle is smaller but located nearby. One (…)”

{09:19:00 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horology

{09:19:10 pm:} <`411> “Horus or Her, Heru, Hor, Har in Ancient Egyptian, is one of the most significant ancient Egyptian deities who served many functions, most notably god of kingship and the sky. He was worshipped from at least the late prehistoric Egypt until the Ptolemaic Kingdom and Roman Egypt. Different forms of Horus are recorded in history and these are treated as distinct gods by Egyptologists.[2] These various forms may (…)”

{09:19:12 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus

{09:20:12 pm:} <kblom> I believe spanish relojo watch, clock is from greek horologium

{09:20:15 pm:} <muadnem> If I want to read wikipedia I could just open a browser, ya know

{09:20:30 pm:} <kblom> or is it reloj?

{09:21:16 pm:} <`411> No article name given.

{09:21:24 pm:} <`411> “Meh (/mɛ/) is an interjection used as an expression of indifference or boredom. It is often regarded as a verbal equivalent of a shrug of the shoulders. The use of the term ‘meh’ shows that the speaker is apathetic, uninterested, or indifferent to the question or subject at hand. It is occasionally used as an adjective, meaning something is mediocre or unremarkable.[1] Meh is popularly used as a catch-all answer (…)”

{09:21:26 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meh

{09:21:28 pm:} <muadnem> This channel seems exclusively for people with ADD

{09:22:55 pm:} <muadnem> I just mean there actually being a conversation with a topic.

{09:23:14 pm:} <muadnem> But it’s constant topic switching and inane bs

{09:23:40 pm:} <lakitu> .w5 chronometry

{09:23:43 pm:} <`411> “Chronometry (from Greek χρόνος chronos, ‘time’ and μέτρον metron, ‘measure’) is the science of the measurement of time, or timekeeping.[1] It should not to be confused with chronology, the science of locating events in time, which often relies upon it. Cognitive chronometry History of timekeeping devices Horology Mental chronometry Timeline of time measurement technology Timekeeping Standards and (…)”

{09:23:45 pm:} <muadnem> I have

{09:23:45 pm:} <`411> “measurement stubs Science stubs Articles needing additional references from December 2009 All articles needing additional references All stub articles”

{09:23:53 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronometry

{09:24:30 pm:} <`411> “Chronos (/ˈkroʊnɒs/; Greek: Χρόνος, [kʰrónos], ‘time’), also spelled Khronos or Chronus, is the personification of time in pre-Socratic philosophy and later literature.[1] Chronos already was confused with, or perhaps consciously identified with, the Titan Cronus in antiquity due to the similarity in names.[2] The identification became more widespread during the Renaissance, giving rise to the allegory of (…)”

{09:24:32 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronos

{09:26:25 pm:} <muadnem> Storytelling is entertainment

{09:27:26 pm:} <muadnem> I would consider it all entertainment

{09:27:43 pm:} <muadnem> Including true stories

{09:28:09 pm:} <lakitu> ahem

{09:28:18 pm:} <lakitu> that being said

{09:28:26 pm:} <kblom> yeah Cronos with a kappa and Chronos with a chi. greeks never confuse them but romans did, not having the chi sound, a bit like german ch in Bach

{09:28:37 pm:} <muadnem> Yeah, they’re just pretending there is a greater purpose

{09:28:54 pm:} <muadnem> I would say entertainment is the only purpose

{09:29:45 pm:} <kblom> I believe Cicero confused Kronos with Chronos

{09:29:46 pm:} <lakitu> it is incredibly cool to be able to issue personal plans 45 weeks away, using a few sleights of the wrist.

{09:29:58 pm:} <lakitu> (heh kblom)

{09:31:56 pm:} <`411> “Hubris (/ˈhjuːbrɪs/, from ancient Greek ὕβρις) describes a personality quality of extreme or foolish pride or dangerous overconfidence,[1] often in combination with (or synonymous with) arrogance.[2] In its ancient Greek context, it typically describes behavior that defies the norms of behavior or challenges the gods which, in turn, brings about the downfall of the perpetrator of hubris. The adjectival form of (…)”

{09:31:58 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris

{09:34:36 pm:} <kblom> the vice of excessive pride?

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{09:34:58 pm:} <lakitu> who keeps invoking these things?

{09:35:08 pm:} <lakitu> i have some people on my IRC /ignore list

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{09:36:25 pm:} <muadnem> Yeah, I’m ‘invoking hubris’

{09:36:47 pm:} <lakitu> so –

{09:36:58 pm:} <muadnem> I have my own view. Oh no

{09:37:05 pm:} <lakitu> as i was saying

{09:37:23 pm:} <lakitu> .ety plant

{09:37:26 pm:} <`411> “Old English plante ‘young tree or shrub, herb newly planted,’ from Latin planta ‘sprout, shoot, cutting’ (source of Spanish planta, French plante), perhaps from *plantare ‘to drive in with the feet, push into the ground with the feet,’ from planta ‘sole of the foot,’ from nasalized form of PIE root *plat- ‘to spread.’Broader sense of ‘any vegetable life, vegetation generally’ is first recorded 1550s. (…)

{09:37:28 pm:} <lakitu> .ety plan

{09:37:32 pm:} <`411> Most extended usages are from the verb, on the notion of ‘something planted;’ such as ‘construction for an industrial process,’ 1789, at first with reference to the set-up of machinery, later also the building; also slang meaning ‘a spy’ (1812). Many of these follow similar developments in the French form of the word. German Pflanz, Irish cland, Welsh plant are from Latin. “

{09:37:38 pm:} <`411> “1670s as a technical term in perspective drawing; 1706 as ‘drawing, sketch, or diagram of any object,’ from French plan ‘ground plan, map,’ literally ‘plane surface’ (mid-16c.), from Latin planum ‘level or flat surface,’ noun use of adjective planus ‘level, flat’ (from PIE root *pele- (2) ‘flat; to spread’). The notion is of ‘a drawing on a flat surface.’ Meaning ‘scheme of action, design’ is first (…)

{09:37:39 pm:} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/plant

{09:37:40 pm:} <`411> recorded 1706, possibly influenced by French planter ‘to plant,’ from Italian planta ‘ground plan.'”

{09:37:42 pm:} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/plan

{09:38:06 pm:} <lakitu> “plant” comes from “planned”

{09:38:09 pm:} <kblom> from nicomachean ethics I’d guess there is the vice of deficient pride and the virtue of sufficient pride

{09:38:12 pm:} <muadnem> I can consider other people’s views. I just don’t find them coherent.

{09:38:30 pm:} <lakitu> to plant is to plan, to plan is to plant

{09:38:54 pm:} <lakitu> in this etymology

{09:38:59 pm:} <kblom> excessive pride is a vice

{09:39:03 pm:} <lakitu> in this connection of words

{09:39:03 pm:} <muadnem> Ok. Well if you have an actual argument, go for it.

{09:39:39 pm:} <muadnem> I know. You just make pronouncements.

{09:39:44 pm:} <lakitu> & with planting, we have this same idea – plant in Spring, reap in the harvest season

{09:40:04 pm:} <lakitu> say for agricultural operations, for farmers, & for gardeners

{09:40:21 pm:} <muadnem> Not exclusively, no.

{09:40:46 pm:} <muadnem> At least there are opinions that are more coherent than others

{09:41:03 pm:} <lakitu> even little girls’ & boys’ indoor herb pottings have a season to plant, & a season to harvest

{09:41:49 pm:} <muadnem> Like, if your ‘point of view’ is self-contradictory, then I think it has problems

{09:42:41 pm:} <muadnem> Maybe your point of view doesn’t care about non-contradiction. But at think point I don’t think it’s worth considering.

{09:43:09 pm:} <lakitu> & these are like all our plans, the seed of the idea contains the plant that will spring from it – if it is planned right

{09:43:40 pm:} <lakitu> & nurtured to fruition

{09:44:34 pm:} <muadnem> It’s not really possible to consider it

{09:45:54 pm:} <lakitu> but what does a plant require but nurture? the love of the gardener is for the daily, weekly – the timely works of her plot

{09:45:56 pm:} <muadnem> Maybe in a deep state of meditation I can imagine self-contradictory things. I think there is much to say about it though

{09:46:10 pm:} <muadnem> I think there isnt much*

{09:47:43 pm:} <muadnem> A point of view that is full of self condition is a dime a dozen. I’ll defined and/or self-contradictory

{09:47:51 pm:} <muadnem> Ill defined

{09:48:35 pm:} <muadnem> Well, if you’re going to talk about things you better define your terms

{09:48:46 pm:} <muadnem> As Voltaire said

{09:49:25 pm:} <muadnem> Otherwise you’re just babbling about your delusions

{09:49:45 pm:} <kblom> as an army brat every family had a small plot of land on the army base to grow vegetables. I grew tomatoes and green peppers.my brother grew weird things like eggplant

{09:50:57 pm:} <muadnem> Without a common language and common definitions, we’re not capable of having a conversation

{09:51:23 pm:} <muadnem> Unless you want to play peakaboo

{09:51:41 pm:} <lakitu> https://www.farmersalmanac.com/calendar/gardening/

{09:51:41 pm:} <JohnStar> Title: Farmers’ Almanac Gardening Calendar

{09:51:43 pm:} <lakitu> heh heh kblom

{09:51:45 pm:} <`411> — “Farmers’ Almanac Gardening Calendar”

{09:52:08 pm:} <muadnem> I don’t think there are that many unique points of view

{09:52:42 pm:} <lakitu> “June 2020

{09:52:42 pm:} <lakitu> (…)

{09:52:42 pm:} <lakitu> 27th – 28th

{09:52:42 pm:} <lakitu> Sow grains and forage crops. Plant flowers. Favorable for planting peas, beans, tomatoes, and other fall crops bearing aboveground.”

{09:52:54 pm:} <lakitu> (“(…)”)

{09:53:06 pm:} <lakitu> an excerpt ^

{09:53:06 pm:} <kblom> my older brother was forever into weird things

{09:54:10 pm:} <muadnem> Yeah, I don’t believe that.

{09:54:55 pm:} <muadnem> People have entirely derivative points of view

{09:54:56 pm:} <lakitu> & on & on. that Farmers’ Almanac has ‘plans’ for every day, for your plants

{09:55:51 pm:} <lakitu> i’m sure at some people there were people who went by the Farmers’ Almanac & people who really just freely improvised, & the people who went by the ‘Almanac flourished much better

{09:56:08 pm:} <lakitu> * i’m sure at one point there were people who went by the Farmers’ Almanac & people who really just freely improvised, & the people who went by the ‘Almanac flourished much better

{09:56:15 pm:} <lakitu> i was there writing.

{09:57:47 pm:} <kblom> what were you writing about?

{09:58:23 pm:} <lakitu> planting calendars.

{09:58:46 pm:} <lakitu> –see, & what i am saying is,

{10:01:14 pm:} <lakitu> we are able to do this for _LIFE_ – your own dealings, your own re-occurring doings: habits like going for walks often, reading about horology, keeping up with a favorite friend, getting your hair Beautified

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{10:01:49 pm:} <kblom> I was thinking that the Stoics pretty much said all the philosophy life I need to hear

{10:01:50 pm:} <lakitu> there are so so so so so many things like this, we love, we want to do, we try our very best to do

{10:02:13 pm:} <lakitu> i must’ve thought of 300 examples while authoring this software

{10:03:09 pm:} <lakitu> it is like you are making a Farmers’ Almanac of your life, with this philosophy of life enterprise

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{10:03:36 pm:} <lakitu> & what was the proverb i gave?: “Plan well.”

{10:04:01 pm:} <Fixion> kblom but did they reach conclusions?

{10:04:03 pm:} <lakitu> it is like making music of your life’s doings

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{10:05:14 pm:} <lakitu> the ardorous watering & weeding of the garden is followed by a nice shower & tea & candies

{10:06:10 pm:} <lakitu> for a sort of personal life cadence scored into your Friday…

{10:06:51 pm:} <lakitu> to be clear: planned: scheduled

{10:06:57 pm:} <lakitu> planned – scheduled

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{10:08:02 pm:} <lakitu> & it is in that way, like making music of your daily acts & other deeds

{10:08:54 pm:} <lakitu> of what you do

{10:10:27 pm:} <kblom> fixion some would sat that of epitetus’ enchiridion. a collection of stoic macims

{10:10:56 pm:} <kblom> epictetus

{10:12:16 pm:} <kblom> maxims

{10:12:20 pm:} <lakitu> now, for all the excitement & personal labor i have into this program, you don’t need this program to do what i’m describing. at its most basic you could use a textile calendar, & plan well.

{10:17:53 pm:} <lakitu> i am currently undertaking a large exploration of habit rooted largely in the philosophy of life, in ethics/morality, & other propitious enterprises

{10:18:06 pm:} <lakitu> my folder is fat, haha.

{10:18:47 pm:} <lakitu> & i am trying to traverse these things from every angle, every angle creatively worth exploring

{10:19:13 pm:} <kblom> laitu I always thoughtreomans were unable to do phiosophy. now I read that cicero and cato and seneca and epictetus and aureleus were good

{10:20:16 pm:} <lakitu> try Ad Herennium, kblom

{10:20:48 pm:} <lakitu> that work was a few grades beyond mastery.

{10:22:58 pm:} <lakitu> i remember Cato…

{10:23:33 pm:} <lakitu> .w Cato

{10:23:36 pm:} <`411> “Cato may refer to: Distichs of Cato, or simply Cato, a Latin collection of proverbial wisdom and morality from the 3rd or 4th century AD author Dionysius Cato; Cato’s Letters, a series of classical liberal essays by British writers John Trenchard and Thomas Gordon written in the 1720s; Cato, a Tragedy, 18th century drama by Joseph Addison, based on the life of Cato the Younger; Cato Institute, American (…)”

{10:23:38 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_Institute

{10:24:33 pm:} <lakitu> i think the forefathers of democracy admired Cato, altho other people will know about this better

{10:27:38 pm:} <kblom> the roman philosophers are often ignored

{10:27:49 pm:} <lakitu> true

{10:30:09 pm:} <lakitu> – continuing tho, now: for example, what place could poetics have in philosophy, to a real romantic poet? an answer – a creative one – is that you could plan your poetics habit – using such a calendar or other timekeeping device(s)

{10:30:49 pm:} <lakitu> pull you out of the morass of minutiae, of wasted words, of bread & circuses =D

{10:31:16 pm:} <lakitu> ‘a remembering to poeticize’ – this way

{10:31:20 pm:} <lakitu> that is the answer i have,

{10:33:16 pm:} <lakitu> for demonstrating how you can creatively apply the many things of Life to such philosophy of life, such ethics/morals, in terms of planned habit.

{10:34:38 pm:} <lakitu> cooking/shopping, reading, walking, talking, going to movies – even just to schedule a reminder of fun activities for a weekend – why not? you might not think it in your grogginess on a late Saturday morning, waking up

{10:35:36 pm:} <lakitu> i am blindsided frequently by reminders – out of the blue needs of the hour i had understood but thru distraction, bread & circuses, etc, became oblivious too – a “tube zombie”, artalien might say

{10:35:57 pm:} <lakitu> it is that nice reminder to shove off into some higher purpose.

{10:36:42 pm:} <lakitu> became oblivious [to].*

{10:36:47 pm:} <lakitu> became oblivious to.*

(…) {10:39:51 pm:} <lakitu> a very good thing about this is i learn to do these things which i had wished to become my habits in my life – if nothing else, thru simple repetition

{10:41:25 pm:} <lakitu> i make habits of what i had wanted to become my habits, beyond the calendar/reminders

{10:45:22 pm:} <lakitu> — & there is some amount of genius in dividing the months into about-4 7-day periods, & so on.

{10:48:47 pm:} <lakitu> the phases of the moon are like a very handy, coincidentally-extant frame of reference we found would be referenceable no matter how fair we set sail . . . it is not so much we organize our monthly activities in direct connection to the moon, & its phases, but that it was something we could use that would be ubiquitous.

{10:49:34 pm:} <lakitu> (how far we set sail.*)

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{11:05:54 pm:} <lakitu> i just want to say too, this philosophy of life habit planning is meant to EMPOWER *YOU* – *YOU* control what you do, when you do it, & have this little appliance – be it the calendar or the very software i have progressed a good jaunt authoring – to help you.

{11:06:04 pm:} <lakitu> to help you do what you want

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{11:07:40 pm:} <lakitu> it would be a sick perversion of this software to adminster people’s lives against their wills, in the seemingly endless ways that are wrong which that can be done

{11:08:04 pm:} <lakitu> – & is not my design, in it.

{11:08:49 pm:} <lakitu> – hi guerro.

{11:12:08 pm:} <friida> i crush them with my thighs

{11:12:23 pm:} <lakitu> ha – i must

{11:12:27 pm:} <lakitu> have someone on /ignore

{11:12:38 pm:} <lakitu> but it isn’t friida.

{11:12:48 pm:} <lakitu> hahah

{11:13:08 pm:} <friida> darn

{11:13:17 pm:} <lakitu> ^_^

{11:13:46 pm:} <lakitu> largely i think the model of say recordkeeping, in comparison to timekeeping, say, is used for good, & other similar enterprises.

{11:13:51 pm:} <lakitu> i was going to say

{11:14:25 pm:} <lakitu> calendars are not more used for wrong than right, nor the writing, etc

{11:14:36 pm:} <lakitu> * calendars are not more used for wrong than right, nor writing, etc

{11:18:39 pm:} <lakitu> here’s my direction i’m taking them: sending thoroughly contemplated philosophy of life / ethical/moral reminders *to smart watches* heh heh

{11:19:29 pm:} <lakitu> “It is time to experience Beauty.” (…) “No really, my watch says, It is time to experience Beauty.” lol

{11:20:55 pm:} <muadnem> I’ve already experienced beauty. What’s next

{11:21:13 pm:} * lakitu taps a plus sign for a folio of his favorite collected ways to experience Beauty… “”hmm… photographs Beautiful Girls have sent me… photographs i have found of Beautiful Girls… chatting up Beautiful Girls… finding Beautiful Girls…– the choices are endless!!”

{11:22:05 pm:} <muadnem> There’s a lot of things more beautiful that some ape with its tits out.

{11:22:33 pm:} <lakitu> the choices are endless.



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{11:24:15 pm:} <lakitu> hey mazy

{11:24:19 pm:} <mazy^grace> hiya

{11:25:11 pm:} * mazy^grace is just checkin in before bedtime

{11:25:52 pm:} <mazy^grace> think I need one more game of uno

{11:25:53 pm:} <mazy^grace> bbl

{11:26:34 pm:} <muadnem> Tits have never made me cry

{11:28:33 pm:} <muadnem> Tits are powerful but there’s a lot more beauty to be had.

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{11:31:58 pm:} <muadnem> The most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen was a pool of gears

{11:32:24 pm:} <muadnem> Pouring out of my coat closet

{11:33:08 pm:} <lakitu> just to be clear, so someone doesn’t misconstrue this, very early into sending myself reminders into the future, it was obvious that many of my reminders were best as offerings – you could do this, you said remind you of that, etc. it would be some cross misinterpretation to say i am marshaling 3 o’clocks as the Beauty hour for me – too bad if the baby’s crying, too bad if you have plants to water, etc

{11:34:20 pm:} <muadnem> Gears at every angle

{11:34:22 pm:} <lakitu> so.

{11:34:30 pm:} <muadnem> A pool of gears

{11:34:38 pm:} <mazy^grace> howdy Raggy

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{11:35:26 pm:} <mazy^grace> ok……. bedtime for Bonzo

{11:35:27 pm:} <mazy^grace> niters

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{11:37:24 pm:} <muadnem> It all came from the woodgrain

{11:38:33 pm:} <lakitu> .w book of hours

{11:38:35 pm:} <`411> “The book of hours is a Christian devotional book popular in the Middle Ages. It is the most common type of surviving medieval illuminated manuscript. Like every manuscript, each manuscript book of hours is unique in one way or another, but most contain a similar collection of texts, prayers and psalms, often with appropriate decorations, for Christian devotion. Illumination or decoration is minimal in many (…)”

{11:38:37 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_hours

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{11:38:58 pm:} <muadnem> Woodgrain closet doors … Not woodgrain alcohol, though that might have contributed minorly

{11:39:12 pm:} <lakitu> look at some of these pictures: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hours,_Morgan_MS_493

{11:39:14 pm:} <JohnStar> Title: Black Hours, Morgan MS 493 – Wikipedia

{11:39:19 pm:} <`411> “The Black Hours, MS M.493 (or the Morgan Black Hours) is an illuminated book of hours completed in Bruges between 1460 and 1475.[1] It consists of 121 leaves, with Latin text written in Gothic minuscule script. The words are arranged in rows of fourteen lines, and follow the Roman version of the texts. The lettering is inscribed in silver and gold, and placed within borders ornamented with flowers, foliage and (…)”

{11:39:21 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hours,_Morgan_MS_493

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{11:39:46 pm:} <muadnem> I think the biggest influence was me detoxing from prescribed antidepressants

{11:42:19 pm:} <muadnem> But, sometimes I would just close my eyes and see outlines girls doing hula hoops

{11:44:55 pm:} <muadnem> And sometimes with my eyes open

{11:45:11 pm:} <muadnem> I thought I could see through walls

{11:45:54 pm:} <muadnem> But it was always girls behind them

{11:48:22 pm:} <lakitu> that is one phillosophy software work i am authoring.

{11:49:18 pm:} <muadnem> Have you ever finished anything?

{11:49:38 pm:} <lakitu> haha. *muadnem yells from the stands*

{11:49:53 pm:} <lakitu> – making me laugh

{11:50:20 pm:} <muadnem> I have the same problem

{11:50:40 pm:} <lakitu> my works are numerous

{11:51:11 pm:} <muadnem> I’ve done some things.

{11:51:52 pm:} <muadnem> Yeah, it made me feel zonked a bit

{11:51:57 pm:} <lakitu> that is part of the schedule part of agendas & schedules i have mentioned

{11:52:20 pm:} <lakitu> – the agenda part i will ’till’ a bit here too

{11:52:29 pm:} <muadnem> Its a good representative of antidepressants

{11:52:39 pm:} <muadnem> Imo

{11:53:20 pm:} <lakitu> what this is about is **getting your ducks in a row** – largely thru *prioritization* & sustained attention

{11:53:25 pm:} <muadnem> Mood dulling

{11:53:32 pm:} <lakitu> & these two, agendas & schedules, connect here:

{11:53:53 pm:} <lakitu> i use reminders to return to my agenda

{11:54:05 pm:} <lakitu> –& that is so crucial

{11:54:13 pm:} <lakitu> if you are working agendas.

{11:54:26 pm:} <lakitu> you must return to that agenda habitually

{11:54:39 pm:} <lakitu> re-occuringly

{11:55:21 pm:} <lakitu> if you are to systematically further those causes/’to-dos’

{11:55:28 pm:} <lakitu> – to-do items.

{11:55:49 pm:} <lakitu> i made a big poster/paper, that i taped up: IMPORTANT: HABITUALLY DO TO-DO LIST

{11:55:51 pm:} <muadnem> Getting your ducks in a row so the police can pepper spray them better

{11:56:04 pm:} <lakitu> another thing you can do is tie it to something you do regularly, to start – say after breakfast

{11:56:13 pm:} <lakitu> when many read the news

{11:56:19 pm:} <muadnem> I don’t eat breakfast

{11:56:47 pm:} <lakitu> – i prefer to focus on my agenda before & most of the time more than the news

{11:57:04 pm:} <lakitu> i think it – this – is an advancement beyond news-consumption at this high of rate as we do

{11:57:20 pm:} <lakitu> agendas & scheduling

{11:57:31 pm:} <lakitu> agendas & schedules

{11:57:49 pm:} <lakitu> “What is an agenda?” – What is an agenda to me?

{11:58:05 pm:} <muadnem> It’s not an agenda. It’s a narrative

{11:58:22 pm:} *laughs*

{11:58:40 pm:} <lakitu> I love to make it basic:

{11:58:51 pm:} <muadnem> The news can play it up however they want

{11:59:09 pm:} <muadnem> What you’re presented with is a narrative

{11:59:31 pm:} <lakitu> a to-do list –

{11:59:37 pm:} <muadnem> Coming mostly from the people in power.

{12:00:04 am:} <lakitu> for my software, with some added pieces of information:

{12:00:24 am:} <lakitu> priority level is one.

{12:00:36 am:} <muadnem> You either have anecdotes from the people on the ground or narratives from the media

{12:00:59 am:} <lakitu> deadline date is another.

{12:01:33 am:} <lakitu> a to-do list with priority levels & deadline dates –

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{12:02:17 am:} <muadnem> That would be nice.

{12:03:14 am:} <lakitu> i have other fields i am adding to this, in the sense of text field – but i like to really rough up such important things with playtesting before i’m sending them out into the world, here.

{12:03:23 am:} <muadnem> That’d be a reasonable way for management to work

{12:03:31 am:} <lakitu> testdriving

{12:03:39 am:} <lakitu> i meant to say –

{12:03:41 am:} <muadnem> But afaik it rarely works that way

{12:05:48 am:} <lakitu> What is a priority level? for me, it is __need as importance * urgency__

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{12:07:02 am:} <lakitu> techincally in my philosophy it would be need/requirement/want – i believe calls this desire

{12:07:13 am:} <lakitu> * technically in my philosophy it would be need/requirement/want – i believe goshzilla calls this desire

{12:07:41 am:} <lakitu> the three.

{12:07:43 am:} <muadnem> In my experience, no one wants to establish the priority level. You can ask your manager all you want.

{12:08:03 am:} <muadnem> And they’ll tell you some weasel words

{12:08:31 am:} <muadnem> So they aren’t responsible. It was all a misunderstanding.

{12:08:57 am:} <lakitu> so for our to-do list – our agenda – we are talking about *priority* as _importance * urgency_ – “importance times urgency”

{12:09:57 am:} <muadnem> Yeah that sounds like a PowerPoint my manager would have to go on a 2 week vacation to see

{12:10:04 am:} <lakitu> climbing mt. everest may be very important to you – a lifelong gung-ho demonstration of your prowess as a virile man –

{12:10:08 am:} <lakitu> but the urgency may be low

{12:10:43 am:} <lakitu> Mt. Everest*

{12:10:48 am:} <lakitu> “in an hour i’ll go climb Mt. Everest…” –

{12:11:09 am:} <lakitu> “…no, that can’t be right…. ahem. *returns to his agenda & schedule*”

{12:11:17 am:} <muadnem> It’s not mt Everest, unless my Everest is making your own decisions

{12:11:33 am:} <muadnem> And company structure doesn’t work like that

{12:11:37 am:} <lakitu> * “…no, that can’t be right… ahem. *returns to his agenda & schedule*”

{12:12:03 am:} <lakitu> typo…

{12:12:22 am:} <muadnem> Company structure is knowing how to throw others under a bus at the right time

{12:12:52 am:} <muadnem> And not ever make any decision

{12:13:29 am:} <lakitu> –hold on– let me write this down muadnem…

{12:13:32 am:} <muadnem> Or having no accountability for your bad decisions

{12:13:38 am:} <lakitu> “Company structure…”

{12:13:45 am:} <lakitu> i need a new pen.

{12:15:01 am:} <lakitu> – after priority level as **importance times urgency**, i would note that for priority levels, i personally bettered the usual ‘ranking’ system: ‘this is 1st, that is 2nd, (…) that is last…’, with a “level” system as i say – this is 10,000, that is 300, another is 2.

{12:15:10 am:} <lakitu> higher is higher priority

{12:15:19 am:} <muadnem> Its more emotional than whatever diagram

{12:15:41 am:} <lakitu> so if you got about the hugest idea you’ve had yet,

{12:15:50 am:} <muadnem> You can draw it all out, but one asshole is all it takes.

{12:16:01 am:} <lakitu> jam on that “0” key or whatever – 9000000000000000 heh heh heh

{12:16:28 am:} <lakitu> the hugest plan to do.

{12:16:38 am:} <lakitu> the hugest thing to do.

{12:17:39 am:} <muadnem> You could probably make a living selling PowerPoints to mangers

{12:18:23 am:} <muadnem> Importance * urgency sounds really good

{12:18:32 am:} <lakitu> so importance * urgency,

{12:18:41 am:} <muadnem> Even though they are synonyms

{12:18:45 am:} <lakitu> & also the unlimited levels of priority

{12:18:58 am:} <lakitu> are two items so far

{12:19:02 am:} <lakitu> for anyone keeping aware

{12:19:17 am:} <lakitu> 10,000 as a priority level, etc

{12:19:38 am:} <muadnem> That’s a very high number afaik

{12:19:55 am:} <lakitu> – for anyone keeping track

{12:20:11 am:} <muadnem> You need flow charts too

{12:20:23 am:} <lakitu> deadline dates, the next item i mentioned,

{12:20:26 am:} <muadnem> Little cloud bubbles and stuff

{12:20:44 am:} <muadnem> Little lightning bolts going into the deadline

{12:21:01 am:} <lakitu> are important too – i would love for someone to best me with something better, but in this impromptu discussion, it is my next item

{12:21:50 am:} <muadnem> You need a flowchart with a bidirectional arrow

{12:21:58 am:} <muadnem> ‘stuff happens’

{12:22:10 am:} <muadnem> Profit

{12:22:58 am:} <lakitu> i have fully coded my agenda software to remind me of upcoming deadlines, with forewarning windows & frequency of reminders customized per deadline

{12:23:03 am:} <lakitu> or customizable

{12:23:13 am:} <lakitu> there are fallbacks for if you don’t specificy

{12:23:16 am:} <lakitu> specify

{12:23:30 am:} <lakitu> which is the usual case for me – for other situations it may be different

{12:24:04 am:} <lakitu> the point is, you could write on a wall calendar or desk calendar your deadlines quite well too

{12:25:11 am:} <muadnem> So, managers and deadlines

{12:25:26 am:} <muadnem> I’ve rarely had a manager even try to give me one

{12:25:50 am:} <muadnem> They don’t know enough about the problem to even suggest how long it will take

{12:26:15 am:} <muadnem> I just tell them when I think I can get it done

{12:26:37 am:} <muadnem> Factoring in how much they’ll change the problem during my work

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{12:27:57 am:} <muadnem> They just ask me how long ‘it’ will take

{12:29:13 am:} <muadnem> But they’ll probably change what they want halfway through

{12:29:36 am:} <lakitu> a svelte number of people do this – CEOs come to mind, politicians, & people who are serious about living their best life

{12:30:31 am:} <lakitu> for our purposes – i will include philosophers of life / life philosophers, perhaps ‘ethicists/moralists’ among them

{12:30:48 am:} <muadnem> People trying to love their best life are bound to be disappointed

{12:32:13 am:} <lakitu> perhaps businesses / CEOs got it in part from their hired philosophers, their hired ethicists. that would maybe be of the least surprising to me

{12:32:37 am:} <lakitu> for say a CEO to learn this from a philosopher of life

{12:32:54 am:} <lakitu> i’m not trying to pit them against each other, just a passing mention, here

{12:34:09 am:} <lakitu> (for a gratis example, John C. Maxwell, the ‘philosopher of life’ as i call him.)

{12:35:32 am:} <lakitu> from him plenty of this has come to CEOs, there are those of us who would say, & from people like John C. Maxwell.

{12:36:01 am:} <lakitu> et al

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{12:43:37 am:} <lakitu> so agendas: ‘to-do lists’… things you want to, require, are required, need to do, with priority \ urgency * importance levels– optionally per item, & with deadline dates of course– optionally per item.

{12:44:08 am:} <muadnem> So I worked on some of the algorithms that zoom used to extract you from the background

{12:44:26 am:} <lakitu> that is the last part’s summary, as it appears to me

{12:45:00 am:} <muadnem> But it wasn’t that ai back then

{12:45:15 am:} <muadnem> But it was more purely algorithmic

{12:45:52 am:} <muadnem> I had to detect outdoor motion on cameras

{12:46:13 am:} <muadnem> But I had to separate that from things like lightning

{12:47:16 am:} <muadnem> So if you’re looking at total difference between pixels that really screws that up

{12:47:25 am:} <lakitu> & how “starting is half the battle” – you must use reminders, associations, etc to kickstart the habit of tending to your agenda

{12:47:56 am:} <muadnem> You have to find paths and weed out the noise

{12:49:16 am:} <lakitu> – also i do this, do you guys? capture it when the spark strikes – strike while the iron is hot – write it down right away, when you first think of something – this has worked better for me for almost every application than trying to collect to-do items or ideas of all sorts on computer or paper

{12:49:36 am:} <lakitu> err

{12:49:47 am:} <lakitu> well

{12:49:56 am:} <lakitu> at one time

{12:50:04 am:} <muadnem> No. Nothing I think is important

{12:50:10 am:} <lakitu> keep a memo pad

{12:50:15 am:} <lakitu> use what you like

{12:50:22 am:} <lakitu> but capture it when it first strikes

{12:51:01 am:} <muadnem> I’m not cutting edge anymore

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{12:51:50 am:} <muadnem> That’s gone. If you don’t understand ai you’re fucked

{12:52:07 am:} <muadnem> And I failed linear algebra

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{12:52:37 am:} <lakitu> don’t try to memorize a poem enjoying some scenic Nature for when you write at home 3 hours later. expect to forget & maybe have problems by misremembering – capture that first spark then & there, where you can

{12:52:51 am:} <lakitu> buy a pocket memo pad – many of you have i’m sure

{12:52:57 am:} <mazy^grace> can’t sleep

{12:52:58 am:} <lakitu> or use whatever works better for you

{12:52:59 am:} <mazy^grace> :(

{12:53:01 am:} <lakitu> wb mazy

{12:53:21 am:} <Fixion> by linear algebra do you mean mostly straight line functions?

{12:53:29 am:} <muadnem> No.

{12:53:31 am:} <Fixion> (as opposed to stuff like polynomials?)

{12:53:42 am:} <muadnem> I mean eigenvectors and shit

{12:53:57 am:} <muadnem> Matrix algebra

{12:54:30 am:} <mazy^grace> tanks lakitu

{12:54:33 am:} <Fixion> I never really did vectors in math or science … would have been good to know

{12:55:24 am:} <muadnem> It’s like a way to decompose calculus

{12:55:34 am:} <muadnem> Which I also sucked at

{12:55:35 am:} <lakitu> i have whoever on /ignore. for some reason IRC logs don’t record this

{12:55:57 am:} <mazy^grace> don’t ask me

{12:55:59 am:} <mazy^grace> :)

{12:56:04 am:} <lakitu> heh

{12:56:10 am:} <mazy^grace> who is whoever?

{12:57:00 am:} <mazy^grace> i don’t do all that stuff anymore lakitu

{12:57:00 am:} <lakitu> – some misguided design

{12:57:09 am:} <lakitu> aw.

{12:57:14 am:} <lakitu> hopefully can soon

{12:57:14 am:} <mazy^grace> it drove me crazy logging/ etc

{12:57:20 am:} <lakitu> oh – logging

{12:57:21 am:} <lakitu> i see

{12:57:26 am:} <mazy^grace> I don’t care

{12:57:31 am:} <mazy^grace> to be honest

{12:57:32 am:} <muadnem> You and mazy can create a new philosophy

{12:57:36 am:} <lakitu> no i see – IRC logging

{12:57:41 am:} <muadnem> It’ll be brilliant

{12:57:50 am:} <lakitu> i was talking about recordkeeping…

{12:57:59 am:} <lakitu> in a different application…

{12:58:06 am:} <lakitu> before that

{12:58:20 am:} <mazy^grace> I used to record everybodies ISP

{12:58:25 am:} <mazy^grace> etc etc

{12:58:27 am:} <lakitu> heh

{12:58:38 am:} <mazy^grace> it’s just not worth it

{12:58:54 am:} <mazy^grace> so I don’t record anything anymore

{12:59:01 am:} <mazy^grace> my life is much happier

{12:59:11 am:} <lakitu> (they don’t record who i /ignore, meaning.)

{12:59:22 am:} <lakitu> hmm

{12:59:37 am:} <muadnem> I can remember what you sound like.

{12:59:37 am:} <mazy^grace> I found that even when I logged……. other people would ‘edit’ the log

{12:59:53 am:} <muadnem> Without recording anything

{12:59:55 am:} <mazy^grace> and try to make it say something it didn’t really say

{01:00:42 am:} <lakitu> geez, really? i have heard of such things, but . . .

{01:00:53 am:} <muadnem> I’m sure you have a record of that

{01:01:03 am:} <mazy^grace> yes…… it happened many times

{01:01:24 am:} <mazy^grace> so I don’t give a rat’s arse about any of it anymore

{01:01:45 am:} <muadnem> You never gave a rats ass to begin with

{01:01:56 am:} <mazy^grace> well.. true that

{01:01:58 am:} <mazy^grace> :)

{01:02:20 am:} <Fixion> mazy^grace many people have dynamic IP’s anyway

{01:02:22 am:} <lakitu> hm. maybe you can create multiple records / compare with others who kept the same records, to keep an accurate history

{01:02:36 am:} <mazy^grace> Fixion, I get that

{01:02:37 am:} <muadnem> Fixion stole my ip

{01:02:52 am:} <mazy^grace> but that’s not the point

{01:02:58 am:} * Fixion leases it back to muadnem

{01:03:30 am:} <mazy^grace> the point is…… everybody can be found if somebody wants to hunt them down

{01:04:34 am:} <mazy^grace> there are many tools out there…. to find out who somebody is

{01:06:30 am:} <mazy^grace> sometimes you have to spend some money

{01:06:38 am:} <mazy^grace> but if you really want to know

{01:06:45 am:} <mazy^grace> you spend the bucks

{01:07:02 am:} <muadnem> I’ll tell you who I am. You just have to tell me I’m cute

{01:07:10 am:} <muadnem> I’ll drive to your house

{01:07:22 am:} <mazy^grace> tell me muadnem

{01:07:40 am:} <mazy^grace> not going to promise I’ll tell you you are cute

{01:08:00 am:} * mazy^grace speaks truth

{01:08:23 am:} <mazy^grace> so…. who are you muadnem

{01:09:07 am:} <mazy^grace> are you gonna share your pic with me?

{01:09:27 am:} <muadnem> I’ve already done that

{01:09:36 am:} <mazy^grace> no you haven’t

{01:10:06 am:} <mazy^grace> send your pic

{01:10:55 am:} <muadnem> “It’s the complacent society that killed him” / “The best outcome would be for rioters to tear it all down” / https://imgur.com/lwJY0gc

{01:10:57 am:} <JohnStar> Title: “It’s the complacent society that killed him” / “The best outcome would be for rioters to tear it all down” / – Imgur

{01:11:04 am:} <muadnem> That’s my best angle

{01:11:42 am:} <mazy^grace> send it to my email

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{01:12:05 am:} <muadnem> I already sent it. It’s right there

{01:12:28 am:} <mazy^grace> let me check

{01:12:58 am:} <muadnem> Jesus. I just posted it in the chat.

{01:13:24 am:} <mazy^grace> ya…… you didn’t email it to me

{01:13:25 am:} <mazy^grace> lol

{01:14:23 am:} <muadnem> https://imgur.com/lwJY0gc

{01:14:23 am:} <JohnStar> Title: “It’s the complacent society that killed him” / “The best outcome would be for rioters to tear it all down” / – Imgur

{01:14:24 am:} <mazy^grace> I have no idea what you are talking about

{01:14:30 am:} <mazy^grace> you did not email me

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{01:14:36 am:} <muadnem> That’s because you’re an idiot

{01:14:42 am:} <muadnem> Go talk to ragtime

{01:15:06 am:} <muadnem> He obviously has way more patience than I do

{01:15:38 am:} <muadnem> Since you’re both racist fuckwit idiot fucks

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{01:16:07 am:} <mazy^grace> muadnem???? you look like a total meth head

{01:16:17 am:} <mazy^grace> in that picture

{01:16:28 am:} <muadnem> That’s unbelievable

{01:17:30 am:} <mazy^grace> is that a real picture of you?

{01:17:40 am:} <muadnem> Yup

{01:18:36 am:} <mazy^grace> well…. you should get some sleep

{01:18:38 am:} <mazy^grace> :)

{01:19:21 am:} <mazy^grace> your eyes are almost closed already

{01:19:22 am:} <mazy^grace> :)

{01:19:45 am:} <lakitu> a pool of gears fell out of his pocket, mazy. this has to do with the woodgrain of his closet doors, but no more can be known or said at this time

{01:19:56 am:} <lakitu> (this all per muadnem)

{01:19:57 am:} <lakitu> (mazy)

{01:20:01 am:} <lakitu> (this is all per muadnem)

{01:20:14 am:} <muadnem> I said nothing about a pocket.

{01:20:23 am:} <lakitu> his contributions tonight.

{01:20:43 am:} <muadnem> I can’t tell you anymore about that.

{01:21:12 am:} <muadnem> Except it was hotter than titties

{01:21:19 am:} <mazy^grace> muadnem……. you remind me of my son

{01:21:20 am:} <lakitu> he feels drugs/drinking would help this.

{01:22:04 am:} <muadnem> Why would I want to help it?

{01:23:36 am:} <muadnem> I understand the problem of drugs. I don’t do drugs anymore

{01:23:55 am:} <muadnem> But that wasn’t the context of the statement.

{01:25:01 am:} <muadnem> And I wouldn’t want to forget it. I wouldnt trade that experience

{01:25:12 am:} <mazy^grace> muadnem….you don’t do drugs?

{01:25:34 am:} <mazy^grace> that pic clearly shows you are high/smoked up/ something

{01:25:41 am:} <muadnem> Not anymore. I do drink. Or I wouldn’t be babbling to you people

{01:25:51 am:} <mazy^grace> muadnem

{01:26:06 am:} <mazy^grace> in that pic…. you are clearly stoned

{01:26:30 am:} <muadnem> That pic was like 3 weeks ago. I was just drunk

{01:26:43 am:} <mazy^grace> omg.. 3 weeks ago

{01:26:45 am:} <mazy^grace> lol

{01:27:21 am:} * ZShurp ([email protected]) has joined

{01:27:21 am:} <mazy^grace> you are so full of crap muadnem

{01:27:21 am:} * X gives voice to ZShurp

{01:27:36 am:} <muadnem> Thats completely honest.

{01:28:01 am:} <muadnem> Alcohol is a drugs. If you want to say I’m on drugs, fine

{01:28:02 am:} <mazy^grace> I know

{01:28:22 am:} <mazy^grace> dude……. I’m going to bed

{01:28:24 am:} <mazy^grace> niters

{01:28:34 am:} <muadnem> I don’t care. That’s completely irrelevant to anything I’ve said

{01:28:44 am:} * mazy^grace has quit (Read error: EOF from client)

{01:30:08 am:} <muadnem> I’m still up.

{01:30:20 am:} <muadnem> Who’s sleepy. Not me

{01:31:14 am:} * lakitu was just starting to type, “philosophy overnights… with your host . . . –the philosophy overnights host…” heh heh heh

{01:31:17 am:} <ZShurp> I just woke up, can’t get back to sleep :(

{01:31:21 am:} <lakitu> wb ZShurp

{01:32:50 am:} <lakitu> Muadnem, your nick reminds me of “Wuhan”.



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{02:45:49 am:} <lakitu> …the reminders software is like an external organ – a part of a cybernetic ‘brain’, figuratively – that *helps you with being constant in your Love & care, etc*

{02:46:05 am:} <lakitu> Love & Care.*



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{03:12:51 am:} <lakitu> –i will say to plan these things into the future **is** a lot like planting crops; the first agrarian had a wry & wide smile, i’m sure, as he said “Actually I do know what will of food grow here… I know because I *planned them*.” & his contemporaries were numb to this. *laughter*

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((I have discussed this same thing several times before in the room.))

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In the above chat transcript, 5 typos were normalized, & 1 meant wording was emended in.

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Update April the 11^th, 2021: A new live chat record has been posted on this same topic, & indulges the concept first named in this post, “the music of life”, & extends it with e.g. “personal agenda chords“: Philosophy Of Life: Philosophy-Of-Life Software: (“It’s Beauty O’Clock” Site Post Follow-Up:) The Music Of Life & Personal Agenda Chords.