In this, I am “lakitu”:

{23:59:05 pm} <kblom> I never had manicotti

{00:00:05 am} <LionClan> Nor have I but I can imagine what it would taste like

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{00:03:34 am} <kblom> I’m already convinced that all italian pasta is delicious

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{00:05:07 am} <kblom> except for angel hair spaghetti

{00:06:24 am} <kblom> no way it’s always too mushy

{00:16:30 am} <kblom> I expect pasta to have a bit have a bit of al dente and angel hair never does. it’s always mush

{00:18:50 am} <kblom> I won’t eat it

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{00:30:45 am} <kblom> otherwise I don’t understand why italian cuisine is so excellent but it is

{00:32:01 am} <kblom> the italians I knew were very cool

{00:35:11 am} <lakitu> kblom, I love that Italian combined traditional national food with imported spices like crushed red (cayenne) pepper. I think few people don’t enjoy well-made Italian food. Mediterranean dishes are also very healthy – at least their high-fat element & of course olive oil / olives, wine . . .

{00:35:49 am} <lakitu> (red wine)

{00:36:34 am} <lakitu> a very traditional Italian cuisine is not a bad choice in the West for an enjoyable, healthy cuisine.

{00:37:14 am} <lakitu> brb

{00:38:38 am} <lakitu> Mediterranean at least has stood up to scrutiny, so far.

{00:39:03 am} <lakitu> I used to down a shot of olive oil twice a day for health.

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{00:41:53 am} <kblom> lakitu yeah italians know how to eat

{00:45:14 am} <kblom> do italians down a shot of olive oil twice a day for health?

{00:45:25 am} <lakitu> some I’m sure

{00:45:38 am} <fattratt_> some

{00:46:04 am} <fattratt_> But I don’t immediately see the italians as a health-obsessed nation.

{00:46:24 am} <lakitu> I know a doctor who recommends you get up to 80% of your calories from fats – our primary fuel, instead of say carbohydrates, both complex & simple, which complex turn into simple in our bodies. that is part of the diet code I follow myself: as a prototype: fats (including the very important *for longevity* omega-3s), organic veggie juice & organic raw veggies, & (low/no methylmercury) fish ((such as salmon, sardines, …)) & organic

{00:46:24 am} <lakitu> eggs, mainly.

{00:46:55 am} <kblom> maybe that’s an anglosaxon thing

{00:47:31 am} <lakitu> examples of fats are fish, animal fats, & dairy, like cheese.

{00:47:32 am} <fattratt_> Aye, fats have made a comeback. At one time the Dominant Orthodoxy said they were a big no no. But perhaps there has been a bit of a scientific revolution since then.

{00:47:44 am} <lakitu> heh – science gets credit coming & going

{00:48:40 am} <fattratt_> Thanks to people like Herr Dr. Lustig.

{00:48:41 am} <lakitu> there was Ancel Keys flawed (corporate) science study;

{00:49:13 am} <lakitu> that is still in influence today

{00:49:31 am} <lakitu> the American Heart Association warns against the dangers of coconut oil, e.g.

{00:49:37 am} <LionClan> In re olive oil, yes.

{00:49:52 am} <LionClan> They also rub it all over

{00:51:06 am} <lakitu> I’ve heard another newer olive-oil study trend that you CAN cook with it – it doesn’t turn unhealthy when cooked at medium temperatures

{00:51:16 am} <LionClan> Italians come in all sorts and sizes

{00:51:25 am} <lakitu> which would be great for dietetics & culinary arts people

{00:51:46 am} <lakitu> LionClan: touching a goomba has a large effect

{00:52:25 am} <lakitu> * for dietetics & the culinary arts…

{00:52:46 am} <lakitu> coconuts are overfarmed. whether or not they can just plant more, I’m not sure.

{00:54:07 am} <lakitu> * Ancel Keys’ flawed (corporate) science study

{00:54:09 am} <lakitu> sorry

{00:56:47 am} <lakitu> olive trees live hundreds, sometimes over a thousand years

{00:56:55 am} <lakitu> not a bad choice for a food source.

{00:57:03 am} <lakitu> –that trait.

{00:57:41 am} <fattratt_> I think I saw something a while ago that suggested that the American Heart Assn was ‘bought’ by ppl who wanted to promote polyunsaturated margarine, etc.

{00:58:05 am} <kblom> but whon wabts to eat olives– I hate them

{00:58:07 am} <fattratt_> This was several decades ago.

{00:58:10 am} <lakitu> I love olives!!

{00:58:16 am} <lakitu> –green ones

{00:58:31 am} <lakitu> I have some almost daily.

{00:58:37 am} <fattratt_> I like to wrap olives in kale leaves and eat them raw.

{00:58:43 am} <lakitu> yum

{00:59:07 am} <lakitu> I was about to say, a very famous locale for olive trees is Sulmo – where Ovid was born & raised.

{00:59:34 am} <kblom> rat disgusting

{01:00:33 am} <lakitu> (olives are a secret-weapon in a high-fat diet. I think many like them & they’re a high-fat vegetable.)

{01:00:59 am} <lakitu> * (olives are a secret weapon in a high-fat diet. I think many like them & they’re a high-fat vegetable.)

{01:02:04 am} <lakitu> I think a very, very underappreciated branch of the tree of Life is mushrooms (mainly mushrooms, but also some algae, etc) in dietetics & culinary arts.

{01:03:35 am} <lakitu> there are over 140,000 species of mushrooms, & many have potent immunity properties & even reproductive potency benefits.

{01:07:04 am} <kblom> olives are disgusting and I won’t eat them but I’ll eat tomatos

{01:08:06 am} <lakitu> they contain glutathione & ergothioneine, which are both very, very potent, once you begin to learn your body compounds & also mushrooms.

{01:08:10 am} <lakitu> –brb

{01:09:50 am} <lakitu> back

{01:11:27 am} <lakitu> shiitake, reishi, turkey tail, lion’s mane . . .

{01:11:57 am} <lakitu> evidently that number is just for the number of identified species, there **in total** anywhere from 1.5 million to 5.1 million different mushroom species on Earth.

{01:12:51 am} <lakitu> vegans love them as an alternative source of protein, too.

{01:14:33 am} <lakitu> –I don’t mind snacking on some white button mushrooms from the store. I’m sure culinary arts people could spice them up pretty good

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{01:15:47 am} <klys> how to sear a mushroom and marinade it in spicy sauce

{01:15:52 am} <lakitu> sure

{01:16:02 am} <lakitu> good Google search, klys.

{01:16:07 am} <klys> ye ye

{01:16:34 am} <lakitu> wanted to say your contributions in here were appealing to me lately; thank you for that . . .

{01:16:47 am} <klys> you’re welcome

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{01:17:49 am} <lakitu> I eat lots of fish & olives & cheese, in practice.

{01:18:07 am} <lakitu> but low/no methylmercury fish, organic olives, etc

{01:18:25 am} <klys> mm that might make olives the right match for olive oil

{01:18:27 am} <lakitu> eggs too I suppose.

{01:19:01 am} <lakitu> yeah – I drizzle olive oil & salt – **just those two** – on my salmon filets

{01:19:02 am} <lakitu> & love it

{01:19:28 am} <lakitu> drizzle olive oil on & salt, I could grammaticalize it, as.

{01:19:47 am} <lakitu> I’ve never not finished it; it’s very tasty.

{01:20:21 am} <lakitu> & then do daily veggie juicing.

{01:20:33 am} <klys> so eh, do you juice greens?

{01:20:35 am} <lakitu> yes

{01:20:43 am} <klys> and make a green drink?

{01:20:44 am} <lakitu> deep, dark leafy greens mainly

{01:20:51 am} <lakitu> yes – “plant juice”

{01:21:01 am} <lakitu> I have a whole system I teach others with

{01:21:12 am} <lakitu> for making juice recipes that are healthy & tasty

{01:21:32 am} <klys> eheh, usually the green drinks I buy are either spirulina-style superfood or they also contain apple juice

{01:21:44 am} <lakitu> yeah. are they fresh?

{01:22:14 am} <klys> yeah the spirulina “king of greens” (which includes kale, spinach, etc.) is made daily

{01:22:52 am} <klys> and I guess that would be a reason to use a preservative

{01:27:02 am} <lakitu> you do: dark leafy greens like spinach, green leaf lettuce, red leaf lettuce, arugula, etc for health, then add: cucumbers &/or celery for volume/palatability, a very measured amount of “astringents” I call them: some combo of onion, garlick, ginger root, etc (again for health); you can add lemon or lime, which are low in (the unhealthy type of) sugar, for taste; herbs like cilantro (which is a great aluminum detoxer– our most abundant

{01:27:02 am} <lakitu> toxin, in our species), & other herbs (be careful because these are potent – e.g. too much parsley can cause a bad detoxing reaction on your liver and/or kidneys, have to start small/slow), for health (herbs for health); & then garden-variety vegetables like tomatoes, peppers, carrots, for taste & health;

{01:27:41 am} <lakitu> right – it can be a lot of work to juice daily, every other day, which is how long before they go rancid

{01:28:20 am} <lakitu> so I thought & thought, & came up with my own preservation method, which I believe preserves the compounds (nutrients/phytochemicals) in the juice largely: https://joevalentyn.org/press/2017/10/22/juicing-ideas-for-you/amp/

{01:28:23 am} <zhan> Juicing Ideas For You ⸻ ♡, Joe Valentyn

{01:28:56 am} <lakitu> essentially you add lactofermented (probiotic) sauerkraut/pickle/(…) brine –

{01:29:29 am} <lakitu> you know this stays good in the fridge for weeks, preserving the veggies: the shredded cabbage which makes up sauerkraut, the baby cucumbers which are pickled, etc

{01:29:54 am} <lakitu> & in fact it works wonders for the plant juices, they keep around 7 days

{01:30:01 am} <lakitu> which means you work about 6/7ths less

{01:30:05 am} <lakitu> by juicing every 7 days.

{01:30:15 am} <klys> wauw you’ve really done some homework there

{01:31:13 am} <klys> yeah so fermented “soylent,” have you tried it?

{01:31:20 am} <lakitu> no – avoid it

{01:31:45 am} <lakitu> the more you denature foods the less nutritious they– as a general rule– become

{01:32:04 am} <klys> well okay then, it’s too expensive for my tastes, I usually get the cheaper whey shakes

{01:32:07 am} <lakitu> that is the argument against processed foods

{01:33:01 am} <lakitu> I had to save myself / my health – studied health *while sick* (…) for a very long time, eventually discovered juicing & saved up (poor AND sick) to try it, & I started feeling better within days

{01:33:04 am} <lakitu> my body loved it.

{01:34:04 am} <klys> yeah, I’ll be sure to hang on to this

{01:34:27 am} <lakitu> I plan to publish the above in a new article soon, I’ll try to drop your nick in here with the link

{01:35:24 am} <klys> very good

{01:36:58 am} <lakitu> I have to say, you can feel **a lot**– not all– but **a lot** of natural medicines helping your body when they’re a match for your illness. I often try a sampler approach – round-robin, whatever – until I find something my body just **rejoices** at – when I get an infection. when something seems to be what my body wants, I try dosing that alone to fight off the illness. I’ve fought off illnesses in 18 hours many times that people

{01:36:58 am} <lakitu> around me suffered 3 to 5 days with, just by learning natural antipathogenics (antivirals, antibiotics, in rare cases antifungals).

{01:38:55 am} <fattratt_> Aye, juicing is great if you are not well.

{01:39:02 am} <lakitu> I’ll give you an example: my friend had a moderate rash on his skin; he visited & low & behold I got it. I was able to diagnose it correctly– he went to the doctor & got it tested & I had the correct species of fungus– & treat it, using natural medicine, while he got his treated with a synthetic cream. ours both resolved, but I did it using natural medicine.

{01:39:03 am} <fattratt_> But if you are well, I’d avoid it.

{01:39:11 am} <lakitu> I would not:

{01:39:23 am} <fattratt_> The fibre is important.

{01:39:38 am} <lakitu> ??

{01:39:43 am} <lakitu> why can’t you get it other ways?

{01:39:50 am} <lakitu> it does not reduce your fiber at all.

{01:39:50 am} <fattratt_> Well, yes.

{01:40:40 am} <fattratt_> You can get sugar spikes.

{01:40:41 am} <lakitu> avoid juicing *laughs*

{01:40:49 am} <lakitu> well, you see with my recipe I addressed that

{01:41:01 am} <lakitu> talking about using lemons & limes, which are low-fructose.

{01:41:17 am} <fattratt_> ok

{01:41:19 am} <lakitu> the worst kind of sugar.

{01:43:09 am} <lakitu> I mean computers are bad if you flicker the screen in a dark room for an hour – but that’s just misusing them, & not what we’re talking about with such things

{01:44:20 am} <lakitu> klys: that preservation method is rare: I’m the only person I’ve ever seen espouse it, & I thought of it sitting on my couch one day.

{01:45:16 am} <lakitu> like I say, it works great. test away . . . it should not be very different from sauerkraut, lactofermented pickles, etc

{01:47:48 am} <lakitu> which we know preserve them – they’re age-old foods & very healthy ones at that.

{01:48:13 am} <lakitu> * lo & behold.

{01:55:18 am} <lakitu> juicing is no villain.

{01:55:57 am} <lakitu> such is no villain.

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{01:57:30 am} <lakitu> here’s a scroll for you if you want to read some, LionClan: https://pastebin.com/mrKZsWv5

{01:57:31 am} <zhan> {01:02:04 am} <lakitu> I think a very, very underappreciated branch of the tree – Pastebin.com

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{02:02:18 am} <fattratt_> nevvamind

{02:02:33 am} <fattratt_> have a lovely day

{02:03:27 am} <lakitu> mm – ok have fun fattratt

{02:05:20 am} <lakitu> Mercola suggested avoiding juicing e.g. onions, but I learned if you get the dose right, they can be really helpful

{02:05:35 am} <lakitu> part of the “astringents”, as I call them.

{02:07:12 am} <LionClan> Lots of great recipes begin Saute onions in butter until clear

{02:07:19 am} <lakitu> right

{02:07:32 am} <lakitu> onions are like one of the first cadets in the culinary arts

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{02:08:59 am} <lakitu> there seems to be a general liminal threshold for how much you can withstand drinking ‘astringents’, & ought to carefully measure so you can still enjoy the benefits of these more dastardly plants, like garlick, onion, ginger root, & so on

{02:09:38 am} <lakitu> * there seems to be a general liminal threshold for how much you can withstand drinking ‘astringents’, & you ought to carefully measure so you can still enjoy the benefits of these more dastardly plants, like garlick, onion, ginger root, & so on

{02:11:01 am} <lakitu> I would even suggest using an eyedropper for the very potent ones like garlick juice, which if you’ve never handled, you should never drink straight (meaning alone), because it’s so astringent, etc.

{02:11:25 am} <LionClan> All right think I could replace the parsley with spinach

{02:12:06 am} <LionClan> Goes better with Italian sausage

{02:12:28 am} <lakitu> spinach is a very healthy leafy green

{02:12:38 am} <lakitu> tons of magnesium.

{02:12:51 am} <lakitu> & I think vitamin K.

{02:14:00 am} <lakitu> when I first started drinking these plant juices, I was measuring my blood pressure, & I dropped about 10-15 points of systolic blood pressure (the top number), when I was juicing spinach. they say magnesium is good for lowering blood pressure.

{02:14:39 am} <LionClan> I can feel the magnesium, feels good

{02:14:43 am} <lakitu> heh

{02:16:11 am} <lakitu> but when you consume spinach either way, you get it with thousands of other plant compounds naturally evolved / occurring with it in the spinach, versus a magnesium pill which only has that one compound, *hopefully* derived from a plant / natural source.

{02:16:29 am} <lakitu> something like 98% of vitamins are synthetic in America anyway, it’s really a shame.

{02:16:34 am} <lakitu> it’s really a sad thing.

{02:18:31 am} <lakitu> staying alive is so important, health (…) is such a big killer – & we offer so many get-rich-quick scheme synthetic, processed versions of ingredients, foods, & medicines – & textile etc compounds – that we suffer great health loss to make a quick buck, which – like Mercola says – costs you more in healthcare in the long run anyway.

{02:20:21 am} <lakitu> money is pretty low on the totem pole of Earthly goods, but you’re not even saving money, giving people synthetics, processed food, etc., anyway.

{02:25:48 am} <lakitu> protein is really like a 2nd carbohydrate, in that even moderate amounts can cause health problems, such as cancer. …just like how excess carbohydrates can cause inflammation, weight gain, diabetes, & cancer.

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{02:51:59 am} <lakitu> “UCL study finds new evidence linking fruit and vegetable consumption with lower mortality” “1 April 2014” “People who ate seven or more portions of fruit and vegetables a day had a 42% lower risk of death at any point in time than those who ate less than one portion, reports a new UCL study.” – from https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2014/apr/ucl-study-finds-new-evidence-linking-fruit-and-vegetable-consumption-lower-mortality

{02:52:01 am} <zhan> UCL study finds new evidence linking fruit and vegetable consumption with lower mortality

{02:54:35 am} <lakitu> I read once on a Harvard Medical Department website that 8oz of carrot juice was equal to about 5 servings of carrot, ate, minus the fiber. so juicing is a economical choice for getting in a lot of veggies.

{02:59:20 am} <lakitu> one great thing about juicing too is *******it regenerates your immune system to a very hardy level******* – which will be very important when the antibiotic-resistant diseases begin to plague us more, over the next 35-50 years **at least**, similar to how we’ve seen SARS-CoV-2 plague us . . .

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{03:09:42 am} <lakitu> then there’s omega 3s, especially for fish. of all medical indexes (indices, other people say) in a meta-analysis of what-I-remember-being tens or hundreds of thousands of studies, the top index in all of them indicating longevity was your omega 3 index: how much omega 3 fatty acids you have in your body– particularly the EPA version of omega 3 fatty acids, found in fish.

{03:10:59 am} <lakitu> “In this body of work, led by omega-3 expert and prolific researcher William Harris, Ph.D., professor of medicine, Sanford School of Medicine, University of South Dakota, the omega-3 index was measured for 2,500 participants (54 percent women) in the offspring cohort of the Framingham Heart Study.2 The omega-3 index reflects the EPA and DHA content of your red blood cell membranes.

{03:10:59 am} <lakitu> All participants, who had an average age of 66 years and were CVD free at baseline, were tracked until about age 73. Besides tracking total mortality, researchers also noted death from CVD, cancer and other causes, as well as any associations between omega-3 index levels and risk of CVD events, fatal or not.

{03:10:59 am} <lakitu> While increased levels of omega-3s have been shown to reduce your CVD risk, the researchers also noted a strong association between the omega-3 index and death from all other causes. Notably, when comparing participant omega-3 index levels, those with the highest levels of omega-3 fatty acids slashed their risk of death from any cause by 34 percent.”

{03:12:25 am} <Fixion> uh IRC.libra,chat back again … I’m going to set the mode to +s again

{03:12:34 am} <lakitu> 42% – for the veggies – life-chance upping – is huge. so is 34% for the (mainly fish) omega-3 index.

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{03:14:07 am} <Fixion> ahh it kept my +v status :) hehe nice

{03:14:18 am} <Fixion> (didn’t expect that when I deopped

{03:14:54 am} <lakitu> CVD there is cardiovascular disease.

{03:15:08 am} <Fixion> oh I thought it was covid! oops

{03:15:41 am} <Fixion> I might not be able to get my second vaccine! supplies are running out here

{03:16:05 am} <Fixion> im still in my 3 week waiting period for the second pfizer shot

{03:18:23 am} <lakitu> you’d be hard pressed to find a 34% all-causes mortality upping to your life chances like that just skimming thru the literature.

{03:18:28 am} <lakitu> 42% even more.

{03:18:49 am} <lakitu> you should be happy if you find something that slashes your death risk 10% – that is substantial.

{03:21:14 am} <lakitu> another therapy I’d suggest to research is oxygen therapy; you can only go maybe 30, 45 seconds to a minute without oxygen before you begin to get brain damage – it’s *that important*.

{03:23:01 am} <lakitu> in biochemistry they teach that there are three main processes in our cells at that level: transporting in nutrients, transporting out waste (such as dead matter & toxins), & healing using oxygen… oxygen very simply is a healer; that’s what it does for us, simply put.

{03:25:25 am} <lakitu> if you have something like a stroke, or traumatic brain injury, oxygen therapy can heal your brain such that you have low/no cognitive complications – ones you otherwise would have – afterward; it was found to have this potential, particularly in combination with vitamin B3 – also known as niacin – in medical studies.

{03:26:30 am} <lakitu> you would want to administer it very soon after to prevent the effects the most & heal the quickest: the study did it within 24-48 hours after the stroke, for example.

{03:28:29 am} <lakitu> but you can have low/no cognitive complications using such therapies; & the side effects of oxygen & a vitamin just are not there – they are way healthy.

{03:31:31 am} <lakitu> (avoid the extended-release form of niacin (B3) because it often damages the liver.)

{03:33:46 am} <LionClan> Don’t recommend B3 for the duration of covid pandemic

{03:41:37 am} <lakitu> I was going to say, niacin is kind of a different beast in that it can supercharge what you take with it – excessively – & what you have in you, by dilating the endothelial cells, veins, & arteries – which collectively are “the vessels” – & distribute what you take with it or have in you farther, deeper into your body. it has its uses & – combined with oxygen – stroke / brain injury/damage seems like one of them – but it is one I would

{03:41:37 am} <lakitu> be careful about taking if you have a pathogen problem or if you are trying to naively combine it with other medicines, as it can make their effectiveness to strong & make you lightheaded, etc.

{03:42:38 am} <inhahe_> lakitu, isn’t iodine supplement really good for you? howcome I couldn’t find any in Walgreens?

{03:42:42 am} <lakitu> too strong*

{03:42:55 am} <lakitu> * I was going to say, niacin is kind of a different beast in that it can supercharge what you take with it – excessively – & what you have in you, by dilating the endothelial cells, veins, & arteries – which collectively are “the vessels” – & distribute what you take with it or have in you farther, deeper into your body. it has its uses & – combined with oxygen – stroke / brain injury/damage seems like one of them – but it is one I would

{03:42:55 am} <lakitu> be careful about taking if you have a pathogen problem or if you are trying to naively combine it with other medicines, as it can make their effectiveness too strong & make you lightheaded, etc.

{03:46:40 am} * LionClan has quit (Read error: EOF from client)

{03:47:06 am} * X sets channel limit to 37

{04:00:05 am} <lakitu> Vitamin D3, which we usually get thru Sun exposure (best around solar noon), can also cut your risk of dying by 50%, for the up to 90-95% percent of people deficient in vitamin D3: “Again, in the study those who corrected their deficiencies saw their risk of death drop by more than half.” if you try to supplement with oral D3 you have to supplement with magnesium & K2 or you face calcification of your arteries, which is a hardening that

{04:00:05 am} <lakitu> can lead to cardiovascular disease, you can read about. there is a grassrootshealth.net that will help you get convenient, affordable testing & get your vitamin D3 (& omega-3) levels right.

{04:00:27 am} <lakitu> (* vitamin D3.)

{04:01:08 am} <lakitu> (( * vitamin D3 / Vitamin D3. ))