Originally written & then banned from my OK Cupid profile in Spring/Summer 2017, titanically extended Midsummer 2019:

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****HOW.****

Do you have some fresh new pinkcliterature you want red? Do you think that you can work your beautiful body of Art in tantalizing ways, & want to have for yourself my dreamy, beautiful, & divine Lovestory coupled with your most-dreamy, most-beautiful, & most-divine Lovestory? Together at last? For the first time & for the ever time?

Then Let’s enjoy ourselves in the best of ways & pop the cork; ‘to much Romance.’

Hold on, tho, I’m not done: Do you have some much-loved ‘lip — ‘lit — (typo – where’s the backspace key????) — do you have some much-loved ‘lit that is herself already sopping wet with Romance, but you still want this hot clit rit — dyslexia, maybe there — ‘lit crit? Clit rit?

— Are you a ‘lit critter?

— You, the masterpiece, will be appraised thru the roof, because I am a Lover of Loves, & I will treat High Art as High Art . . . & inlay such royal material with the diamonds we want for such stately beauty.

Maybe you have undiscovered Art; many greats began having people throw their own cherrytomatoes at whot, in the end, was Loved most.

I am worldwise & learned enough to recognize that 2, even 3 rotten eggs do not the dozen spoil. It’s just bad luck, or whatever it is. So even if it has rained on your parade, I still know that that runny mascara — under those big fat coke-bottles — themselves under some rushed, rushed, rushed ponytail ****can be of the most-beautiful, earnestly lovable, maybe-even-better Lovestory artist of all****. You are not out of the race, you are not out of the winners’ circle. Dry those drops, dear. Dry those drops.

 

 

This is whre I cum in.

For all four Lovestory riderses, I am chock full of pluck & chipper. Remember Fabio on those Romance fiction covers? Everything you want? That’s whot you DESERVE AND REQUIRE for your next Lovestory. Ovid, Casanova, I red them all. I Love Love.

Maybe in your lovestories, chipper hard Sex prevails. Sensuousness. Drive. Emotion. Desire. In scientific terms, I have four testicles’ worth of testes. My penis is infinite.

& Beautiful too.

Swear to Women (Women!) that I am getting some computer glitches while working on this pic – I’ll tell you about my up loads another time – for now let’s focus on the fact that I cnt ride too hot, butt i love to ride: {link to pen pic}

 

(I aver with all my credibility that that is an un-doctored picture & one I didn’t set up. No picture editing; just whole-picture black-&-whited & then whole-picture hued. My middle-finger to my ring-finger lengths are also large & in charge.)

This & a condition I was medically diagnosed with: “satyromania”… the male version of being a nymphomaniac –
this condition is caused by Women, & cured by Women – in a vixen circle. Means big trouble in bigc’literature ridings we can do everywhere & everywhichway & everyt———-

Allow me to cup my hands & whisper an i-d-ya in your most-sensitivst of ears:

I am a rider. I cnt ride too hot. Butt I Love to ride. I feel this makes me a great American rider. ^_XX.

So, this is for all those Love riders out there: A’one’two’three’faWR!:

I have good jeans. The jeans get into the ink. {sic}

The ink flows nicely from the pen, & the pen is nice & long & well-built, it feels good to ride with, in your hands, & whotnot. Very, very, very safe to chew on the cap. It fits in your pocket(s). You can ride with it most anywhere =D…

With my jeans-ink, ink-pen, & again, just a huge & magnificent pen, we can mouth, orate, ride, or even just run our fingers along your beautiful, incredibly seductive body of Art. In terms of our riding, we will make Love.

A Beauty such as Women possess requires a lot of work – **this I know** – & I have all the dedication I need.

I would love for you to mouth, orate, handle, ride, just **breathe in my ear** **my own** body of work.

‘Butt don’t quit’, tho, as they say in lovespeech… because we can perform ‘double-penning’ on your body of Art — some call it ‘double entendre’. Sementicly, this means *penning you innuendo n your ‘lit.* That’s ‘lit’rally what double-penning iss; ‘lit’rally. Think “double-penning.” This is all part of being a punning linguist, puusi lingering —

— (@#$(@#$@#! I tried to make a joke — I cnt.

Upward & onward.

There’s also a fun much-loved number we can do called 69. 69 in terms of rhythmitic is both orally — in unison — or perhaps to the knowing – I could shock you, by my being upsidedown — while you made “oral history” with me in this beauitful mathematics; because of the “upsidedown” part of the orations, this unison oration is known in my mathematical rhythmitic as the number 69. This beauitful number we perform… is a delight of delights – quite the delight for both man & woman. It is one of my personal flavorites to enjoy. *Goes looking thru his library.*

Whairsabouts where we? Aw: yes: *What *ABOUT* oral skills?* Much ido is made of a person’s ability to perform orally. Men are not as gooed at performing orally, but certainly it is an out-of-body experience, so to speak, to get the luckiest of luckies, a women’s beautiful performance.

Let’s take another look at me again:

& My pen – so big it’s a funnie: but it rides & can take dictation, too:

Remember my pen is safe to chew on. It’s a Dic (missspelling?? I cnt spell. Granted there was a “cnt-spelling bee”: I wood wims ‘its.), & it has my jeans in it, (the jeans get in the ink). Feels good to hol’ on to, tooo… {link to pen pic}

So loosen up your belt & get comfortable; I want you to really get into it, now:

My looks & oral skills make performing orally for you fun.

 

Get in touch. Sleep on this. Get in touch. Doesn’t this all just say *BEGGING FOR IT*? you know what that means — GET IN TOUCH &– WELL, GET IN-TOUCH.

Alik I say: I have acquired the taste for the ****catient**** work of a punning linguist, & my performing oral has me insatiably **lingering** well over your ‘lit’s content… If you’re not familiar with the ‘lingering’ method, look it up; it’s on Unban Dicktionary. I am a ‘dicter’, to make a metaphor, of the lingering method who is a dedicated reeder of your ‘lit – again – orating in a very **in-touch** way – until your ‘lit’s amazing climax. My jaw is no stranger to oration – a bony stubbly thing; & maybe what’s more – I suck hard when I perform oral for you – mixing up the again-look-it-up lingering oratory, with my stubbley/bony jaw, & again, because i just suck & suck & suck — dedicatedly on your ‘lit tho, for minutes then tens of minutes, maybe an hour, maybe longer, until that Niagra Falls Dam of suspense BLOWS free, into our work’s climax, flowing thru my mouth, me taking it in like a insatiable whore. Maybe you could have two climaxes – why not three? When my lips go numb I can just run my fingers thru your ‘lit until I’m ready to reed again. Left hand’s fingers, right hand’s, perhaps the middle. I have the dedication, the Love, & the DESIRE!!! for orally performing even the most suspenseful cliterature floodbreakingly & sonorously.

Get in touch, &– get in touch. Sometimes when an idya just screams *PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE* – I get in touch with that person to work our idya together. Naps — “nap attack!!” — often do me good, when all else fails.

So alright, cntinuing.

I would love to ride you doubly, innuendo, backwards in a mirror.

A ‘nother personal favorite way to ride: orally titillating you while dedicatedly working your ‘lit with my huge, hairy hand to its fullest, most-tremelous flow[1-1], & truly amazing climax.

Your pure excitement flowing, running your legs in the afterglow of this latest ‘lit sensation, & happily I imbibe, in turn all your masterpiece offers, till the last drop of milfulous goodness.

The End.

Err wait now, wear were we?

Oh yes. What about riding bare tit-illation, you say, AND in your ‘lit?

(Oo I made a word joke!

****Titters.****)

No problem – I can pen both of these – My Beauties – & reacharound & fingerpaint you a blossoming pink flower at the same time. The Beauties are Beautiful, in my imagination right now. Precious.

I would Love, I would Love, I would Love.

I want to Love’ with you — Lovestory in full — let me tell you, beautiful female Lovestory & Romance & Sex riders of this world!!!! I want to Love’!!!! I feel like I am on ovocaine from thinking about this!!!!

“Joe,” you ask, “How can we work together on this epic Lovestory which is always (right?) in Spring?”

Where there’s a will there’s a way.

Where there’s a will there’s a way.

Start here: Do you Love People? Are you a social butterfly? Well-mannered? Are you high-society? Are you Loving & caring & kind? *WHO* are you favorite people? Do you have any passions? What do you like to talk about? Have you ever been part of the making of a good Lovestory? What do you do instead…?

Share with me, some, who you think about & what you think about. Who are your favorite people – what is your favorite stuff – which are your favorite things? =D Who do you love musically? How about in movies? Read books? Like websites? Talk about things? Do you love / excel in anything?

I love all kinds of people & tons of stuff & lots of things.

Try me.

How about how good-looking your body of Art is. Does your masterful Artwork have a beautiful face, & do you have a little space for penning myself in? Maybe your body of masterful Artwork has wonderful bouncy titillation? Does it have a full, delightful Beauty on the back 9? Do you have good style?

I am entranced by such beauty. (See my poem here, from Summer of last year.)

One desirable trait is this favorite: your being very Sexual, for riding Romance/Lovestory. Are you a ‘nymphomaniac’? At least Sexually charged? Have that sexual drive? Enjoy sex & sexuality? Do you make the most divine sounds when you’re having Sex? Do you Sexualize everyday conversation? Re: This: can you orally perform well, as well as when riding / being rode? Do you care for scents & lingerie? Do you have any hawt pictures/videos/records of yourself? Have any favorites saved of your desirable hot guys? Do you ********WANNA********?

How fun are you? Joke? Play? Stay loose? Like guys & Sex & music & fun?

Are you charming? Have a ‘Princess’ Charming air to you? Are you high-society? Regal? Cultured? Again: a social butterfly? A flirt? ^_xX

A nymphomaniac?!

^_xXXX

Let’s dream up something new – just us two. Let’s co-author a wonderful Lovestory! “I don’t care how you get to me, just get to me…”

If the apresented sounds good – get in touch!!!

Happy Hearts & Happy trails My Loves! “We do!”

·Joe·’====D’·V·[1]

[1]: 6-t-9 eyes are better than 2 – all these glasses are why I ride so truly gooed. Cum ride together with me. Let us ride to our hearts’ content. “Honey, cum to Florida.” Florida is a peninsula & *I know* the cunt of the cunt of America – but not yet the cunt of the cunt of the cunt of America – but I will! *Slams buzzer.* I will!

The End… Of The Beginning…

‘V for me!’

=D See you around!! =D

Perhaps “missuse of the foot'” here; if you like a nice foot’, possibly missused:
[1-1]: This reference beforehand was in terms of the ‘origin’ — the ‘raising of the curtains’ on — Ancient Gk. *rheo- — *rheo- meaning “flow” — for my rhetoric “rhetoric”.

Pss. If you’d like carrotjuice for your coney, just ding the bell. How’d that new Wal-mart commercial go, “You can ring my bell…
{insert potential-infinity infinite unicode space character computer generator} Ring my bell.

BD

Her’s picks. Take it in!

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Her’s me:

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Here’s my original OKCupid profile, which as I said was banned around July 23rd or 24th of 2019: Happened to save the text just before it got banned:

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? joe ?
About Me
My self-summary

Hi=D.

I am Joe.=D

‘Let’s Play Together.’ *Doll motions . . . *

^_^

Main site: www.joevalentyn.org

GirlsAskGuys.com: https://www.girlsaskguys.com/user/joevalentine & https://www.girlsaskguys.com/user/joevalentyn

The Twitters: http://twitter.com/joevalentyn

( Recent Tweet:

My new political position:

I will fight, barefist, abusers of Women & Children in a boxing ring, until I can’t anymore. This will be effective immediately.

ChildAbusePrevention #DomesticViolence #IBelieveHer

( https://twitter.com/joevalentyn/status/983901093498322944?s=19 ) )

First things first: Cats love me. ?

OK =D :

I’m about Love, Dating & Relationships, You?, Conversation, Love, People, Poetry, Love, Politics, Love, Love, Love, Literature, Life, Love; & Maybe You A Lot.

Free love, sex positivity, hugs not drugs, natural living . . .

About me:

I am a tenacious, powerful & alive 34-year-old male.

I am a German-Dutch-Bohemian-Swedish-Irish American. A mutt.

*Women are my #1 desire.*

I am about romance in a serious way: On the dating-&-relationship site GirlsAskGuys.com, I rank in the top 10 internationally on their main measure (MHO %), but not officially because I answered only 50 questions & they evidently require more to be officially ranked. (My MHO %: 43%: https://www.girlsaskguys.com/user/joevalentine – Top MHO % of users worldwide: https://www.girlsaskguys.com/xper )

• I think pink.

I am sensitive & loving & caring & kind; I think even nice.

I am also affectionate.

I love people & have spent hours a day hanging out & chatting with people; I know you, as a person, & knock down the door trying to make it good for you. I am communicative.

I do love taps when I talk.

I am also appreciative.

I am positive & responsible.

I am playful & fun, almost to a fault.

Hugs not drugs, Women are my drugs & my medicine.

Mature; I have been well-trained & well-nurtured by Women in my life.

I want YOU – not just sex..

I sort of eat, sleep, & breathe woman.

I love Females.

I would actively provide self-defense, safety, security & justice etc, to you, & have for girls I have not yet dated just recently.

Do not underestimate that which I have, I would say to offenders against you or me.

I like going for a romantic getaway or letting you have me-time.

I have 10 lucrative business ideas, should we choose that walk of Life.

(About the Hugs not drugs: I came up with ‘being heart-edge:’ If you wanna do ‘something’ together, I will maybe-maybe say Yes. I probably will say yes to using a natural stimulant if you asked me to, or the like. If you wanted us to use some drank, I would (if we can arrange a sober / not too drunk ride.)

We can also go to a river & have a picnic, go out to eat, go to a concert, go to a movie, or stay in & watch Netflix & chill. We can do it all.

One-time rated 9.4 on Hot-or-Not with a weak picture my good friend put on.

I shave & trim myself daily; I exercise 3 times a week; & I enjoy healthy, tasty food.

I wear vetiver.

When I was 10 or 11 my comprehension tested about 3rd year college(15th grade). When I was 25 I was made head of the largest & best live philosophy discussion-room in the world.

Random favorite words currently: play, magnanimity, mystique, bunnyflippin’, coney.

Slightly fatt, ‘poochie’ cheeks (on your face) are almost better than muff or your bazingas, I believe.

I love you as a person, even if we’re not the ones for each other.

I think the purpose of Life is to Love, & a couple other things.

“Life is a feast full of starving fools. Dig in.”

Lastly, why do I have all this information? Because I am a student of Love & Life, in that order, & Love is basically the most crucial thing to me.

Joe.

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‘Not a bot!!!!

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Old OK Cupid username (before they changed everybody to using their first names): xoxDonkeyHickxox.

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Random recent things:

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@@ The girls on here are so pretty; you all could get awards from me of some kind or another, too. @@!

^_^! Way happy about this.

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2nd recent tweet:

Hey #Russia – Take a look at this : how about we make love, not war – literally?

http://joevalentyn.org/press/2018/10/22/the-new-american-dreamers/

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POETRY SECTION:

New Poem {:Summer 2018}

A new ‘prose poem:’

“Tactility**”

It comes to me like beautiful ♫usic – Erato

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To be /in touch with/ Beauty, Love, The Erotic, The Feminine: /The Aesthetic/, wherever it reposes… beating heart…

To believe in, in the hinterland, the Holiness of snow white; to savor tranquility, & gentleness… in a soft evening’s snowfall; & to behold the soft tufts of cuteness and fun from bunnies kicking up puffs of fluffy snow, chasing tail in couples together…

& To grip with thine soul the flesh of thighs… to feast upon the cleavageous bearing of breasts… to devour carnivorously the other parts… & to gorge & gorge wholly upon the living breathing Gorgeos erotick lustee…

To know this Beauty: to feel these Truths: to rub with thine whole body us: forms of Goodness, “tactilly…

That is to conjoin with the Earthly Love, and Beauty – The Erotick & The otherworldly Feminine –

The witch’s coventry found practicing these tactile arts. The rivers found running the otherworldliness of her face – the union of –

The bunny.

The prophetess of Love…

The savior of your Earthenly Love.

The wishful, longful secret-tears diary of a teenager of 16…

A nupital innocence of a curly hair latching on her safety belt trustingly for a drive…

To eat the ambrosia of the pure poetry of the head-over-heels language of Lovers…

… The ambrosia of the pure poetry of the head-over-heels language of Lovers…

To touch the texture of empathy engendered by the best expressions of your soul for the goddess of your engagement…

To warmly nudge the swing ‘neath the branch, under the canopy of stars on a picnicked beach – ‘Kiss me now… kiss me forever… Amen.’

Amen.

New Song {:April 5th, 2018}

A new song against human trafficking:

(This song is about FBI / Interpol raids of female abduction victims – just fair warning… might get pretty aggressive):

Song: Chattel

CHATTEL!!

CHATTEL!!

Shoot
to k***

Take
no prisoners

because CHATTEL!!

CHATTEL!!

SO WE MUST SECURE
SECURE
her.

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=D!!

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Songpoem: you can be my pet bunny (((free love)))

February 23rd, 2015

here’s a song i’ve had as a draft on my computer for a couple weeks:

posting cutie pictures

up on the social meed’ . . .

tell me bunny, is that ineffable allure,

actually fishing for a captain like me?

i stop & ask myself,

did that sign say heaven’s now hirin’?

tell the suavest & the handsomer,

please apply within . . . . . .

{facebook pop}

howdy there bunniest,

would you care to grab coffee, this week’nd?

{facebook pop} ha, maybe, maybe not, loverboy

who is askin’ =)

{facebook pop}

you got me: i’m a lover not a fighter,

& i believe this world was built for two . . .

i also so happen to believe,

that i might like you . . .

& so if my company happened to be,

a mutual desire . . .

all i can say is my love is free,

& this gun is for hire . . .

{facebook pop}

ok, fine.

meet me at the coffeehouse,

up on North & Vine

i’ll bring my girlfriend with me,

i’m guessing you shouldn’t mind.

{facebook pop}

There is a God — great,

then it’s a date —

how about 7’o’clock,

on Friday?

{facebook pop}

sure. {facebook pop} k bye

{(pause?) then revelrous happy harmonica solo}

{ ” }

{ ” }

looking for the girl in the photograph

i hike up my boxers of silk,

from somewhere there’s intoxicating vanilla fragrant, &

she arrives all dressed to kill

i say hey, & hug her

somewhat hangingly

she smiles with her affection,

whilst i notice her friend just standing

who’s this you brought with you

is she your bestest friend?

yup – her name is

ms. eliza ‘lizabeth

(hello)

i light up with a bright idea,

hey, let’s play a game:

i call this one Favorites,

name all your favorite things you can name.

(ok)

i say here i’ll start,

i Love Love more than anything,

she smiles, but it’s awkward

so i say & i also like to sing.

she says that’s way cool

maybe i can hear you sometime (yeah)

— my favorite thing’s my best friend,

i’ve known her all of my life

{spoken:}

aww that is sweet –

hey do you want anything to drink?

no i can pay my own,

but yeah i guess let’s go get a cup of coffee

we go up the spiral staircase

to the coffee barista

i order up a depth charge,

she says i’ll get tea,

& we go back downstairs,

there’s a good song blasting thru the air

she says i love it in the autumn,

it’s too beautiful, everywhere

i smile – i like your outfit

i can tell you’re way classe

she says thank you darling,

& moves with a bit of uncontrollable sassy

ok i think my favorite thing is motown

she says watch me do an arm wave

i joke with a she-bop she-bop,

she says oh man, no way

ok one of my favorite things is hair dye,

blueblack looks egyptian,

she says you should do rainbow,

yeah if i could find the beautician

read any good books this year?

oh i don’t know, i guess i read a lot on the webz

there’s some sites i really like

let me guess one is reddit?

yeah … ok a favorite thing is the stars,

– yeah me too, the starlit canopy

hey i think it was clear,

we could go out to the patio if you please

we go out to the breeze,

we’re into each other, we agree

i hum ‘when the moon hits your eye . . .’,

she looks happy.

ok my favorite thing is leonard cohen,

he’s just like a crow . . .

she says yeah jeff buckley used to date liz frazer but now he’s just a ghost

we talk on & on

tubin’ on the river of Life

her friend says maybe they should leave

but she says you can go if you like

harmonica blow (single)

hey should we catch a motion pic’?

she says actually i have netflix . . .

a long pregnant silence ends

with let’s

we go back to her apartment

& we watch a favorite pick of hers

& the night is beautiful

it was itself a motion picture

{outro:}

{guitar:} doo-bee-doo-bee-doo-bee {2 or 3 female voices:} she-bop! she-bop!

{guitar:} doo-bee-doo-bee-doo-bee – {voices:} she-bop! she-bop!

{guitar:} doo-bee-doo-bee-doo-bee – {voices:} she-bop! she-bop!

{guitar:} doo-bee-doo-bee-doo- {song begins to noticeably fade out:} bee – (voices:) she-bop! she-bop! {(possibly cool “so_nice*.flp” or *** type frissiony chimerun)}

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Sleeping in the buff, lately . . . ‘free’ . . .

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(His philosophy is) “Catholicism mixed with gin.” ~ Jack Kerouac.

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Fun trivia:

I stopped watching TV, drinking pop & playing video games when I was 15, only coming back to TV during the political cycle in 2009-2010 or so to watch cable news. “Much happiness,” yes, quitting said things.

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Me in a philosophy chatroom again:

Fundamentally, we must focus on 3 things – Truth, Goodness, & Booty. Assthetics is the philosophy of Booty, in all its forms.

I am reminded of a foreign teacher I had who said “We have beautiful beautiful beetches” where she is from.

That was said philosophy.

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Me in a philosophy chatroom recently:

Lakitu’s Basic Mathematics.

80085 is ‘the beginning number’ on calculators.

“69” is lucky.

Complete.

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I scented my “Art of Love” book with lilac oil just the other day.

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http://joevalentyn.org/press/2017/06/10/book-of-court-a-choice-taste-of-the-book-of-court/

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http://joevalentyn.org/press/2017/04/12/we-have-infinitely-many-better-things-to-do-with-our-time-than-quarrel/Write
What I’m doing with my life
I am now building my empire.

Prossibly via business.

Like I said, I have about 10 lucrative business ideas, should we choose that walk of Life.

Politics is equally an option, & I am gifted in philosophy & language, helping such a political life.

Lastly I am considering writing 4 or 5 books too: The most essential one is is “The Book Of Court”, about “dating & relationships” (I have about 100 pages of this); & the second is “My,” about the Lovers in my life, in a concrete nonfiction way. I have found my voice in that already & have some concrete pages written up in the style. The third is “Concrete,” about real stuff in a “G.A.N.” tone. The fourth is my biography. & The fifth is “The Training,” a philosophy book.
I’m really good at
I am some amount influential in Politics; here’s some causes I championed earlier than others: http://joevalentyn.org/press/2015/08/01/are-we-making-enough-progress-on-climate-change-inequality-a-following-up-a-tracing-back-of-some-early-bird-gettings-of-mine/

Philosophy & Teaching, too. I was once given head role of the largest/best philosophy chatroom in the world. I made this not to long ago: http://joevalentyn.org/files/Action%20Theory%20Inventory%20%28remake%20-%20betterer…er%29%205a%20%28with%20Cooperation%29.html

Also, Music. Here’s one: http://joevalentyn.org/’s-files-for/OKCupid/play%20%e2%99%ab%20this%20land%20is%20beauty!%20(unfinished%20demo%20%233).mp3

Professional napster. ^_^

=D
My go-to dance
Reimagining this one as “My next music video will be about”:

Me scurrying about on a chessboard being played by two love interests / witches who are revealed to be being deceptively cast spells on by a third sorceror, who is then revealed to be being fought by a security force whose subplot is left narratively unresolved in the music video.Write

Favorite books, movies, shows, music, and food
Ovid’s The Loves.

Roberto Benigni.

The Cure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4B3uUcIvUM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chaYm2TqfHM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3diz8I0AVVk.

Alfons Mucha.

Chocolate. Yerba maté (coffee-like drink). Fresh veggie juice. Salmon melts/rolls. Turkey dinners. Breastmeat. ^^ Real raw honey Cough haha. Strawberry lipgloss. Saliva . . . …Cu——– hey – wait a second =| . . . Everything good. ^^ & then some.

(Former 9-year vegan – have all the Tofurky & Follow Your Heart (not-)cheddar-cheese recipes I’ll ever need down good.)

Favorite websites too: OKCupid, New York Times, GirlsAskGuys, Twitter… The Internet’s so inflamed lately…. =/

My site too. Joevalentyn.org.Write
Needs
Six things I could never do without
Girls.

Love.

OK Cupid.

Girls Ask Guys.

My personalia.

Yerba mate.

Extra girls.

Extra yerba mate.Write
I spend a lot of time thinking about
Girls.

Politics.

Sex.

If I should’ve spent that much money on Aaron (my ‘differently-able’ neighbor/friend).

How I’m gonna provide for someone(s).

Courting.

Health.

More Politics.

Philosophy.

Thinking about how I spend too much time thinking about stuff (this leads to venturing somewhere, somehow, a lot.)Write
Moments
On a typical Friday night I am
Listening to Watching Me Fall by The Cure – on loop –

(http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/7642/)

• going out under the stars – breaking skin trying to get with a girl – getting sushi. Loving life!Write
  You should message me if
  “If you like pina coladas… & getting caught in the rain…”

I provide many services; therefore message me if:

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Or maybe you’re wanting to orate on my dictophone.

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…Somewhat more seriously. ^_^

If you are beautifully brilliant, and also brilliantly beautiful (or something like that);

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if you have a good laugh.

If’n you’re a carT?Nist.

You are good at music.

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You ARE just like me, in some ways.

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If you’re a lawyer. I love lawyers. I would finger a lawyer daily. (*)

: As in the term “Badmotorfinger” – to finger ‘f** you’. (note the quotes! order in the courtship!!) ^_^

If you’re very wifey (my real long-term interest.)

Again, you’re sexually a powerhouse.

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I am lakitu, here (Joe (Jerome) Valentyn):

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{12:45:07 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> interesting kblom. i know you don’t say such lightly
{12:45:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> good morning – & also fattratt, MDeanr`, et al
{12:45:56 pm (CDT):} <MDeanr`> hi lakitu
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{12:46:47 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> how are you Dean?
{12:47:31 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i hope well
{12:48:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> so did you run a practice against COVID, & everything else, all this time?
{12:48:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> if you want to say
{12:50:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> maybe you want to relive that even less
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{12:50:50 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> wb chip.
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{12:51:11 pm (CDT):} <fattratt> hello lakitu
{12:51:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> fattrattia
{12:51:30 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> heh heh heh
{12:51:33 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> hope you’re well
{12:51:51 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> saw you linking Wagner, discussing him
{12:51:59 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> also some Reid, & a little Hume
{12:53:29 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> linking or at least discussing
{12:54:32 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> have you ever tried reddit, fattratt? the people’s site?
{12:54:53 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> it’s kind of nice, finally letting myself dig into it more than a little,
{12:54:58 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> last nite.
{12:55:23 pm (CDT):} <fattratt> Is it truly the people’s site?
{12:55:39 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘is it *truly*?’ – good question
{12:55:44 pm (CDT):} <fattratt> Not some fiefdom of Zuckerberg or anyone like that?
{12:56:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> gal, well. i did look even this up, once
{12:57:14 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i try to make friends before i make enemies… i’ll leave you to your own conclusions, for now
{12:57:27 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> – but i will say there is a lot to like
{12:58:19 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> many alternative big sites are, as you say, owned by Zuckerberg, et al
{12:58:32 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> Instagram, e.g
{12:58:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> buy outs.
{01:00:23 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .wiki fiefdom
{01:00:46 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> 411 ‘smoking in the bathroom.
{01:01:12 pm (CDT):} <`411> “A fief (/fiːf/; Latin: feudum) was the central element of feudalism. It consisted of heritable property or rights granted by an overlord to a vassal who held it in fealty (or ‘in fee’) in return for a form of feudal allegiance and service, usually given by the personal ceremonies of homage and fealty. The fees were often lands or revenue-producing real property held in feudal land tenure: these are typically (…)”
{01:01:17 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fief
{01:03:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> what is the winning end game against feudalism? how does it end well?
{01:03:42 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> not say violent revolution, etc
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{01:11:25 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> [13:03:16] <@lakitu> what is the winning end game against feudalism? how does it end well?
{01:11:25 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> [13:03:39] <@lakitu> not say violent revolution, etc
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{01:19:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> *money, social status, power.* these huge leitmotivs reoccuring thruout Life.
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{01:21:47 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> part of the philosophy of life, for me – in part
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{01:22:16 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> part of the philosophy of life, for me.
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{01:23:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i distinguish fame from social status, but pair them, in listings.
{01:24:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (& of course infamy is not fame, for me)
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{01:29:12 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety status
{01:29:15 pm (CDT):} <`411> “1670s, ‘height’ of a situation or condition, later ‘legal standing of a person’ (1791), from Latin status ‘condition, position, state, manner, attitude,’ from past participle stem of stare ‘to stand,’ from PIE *ste-tu-, from root *sta- ‘to stand, make or be firm.’ Sense of ‘standing in one’s society or profession’ is from 1820. Status symbol first recorded 1955; status-seeker from 1956. Status-anxiety (…)
{01:29:17 pm (CDT):} <`411> is from 1959.”
{01:29:19 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/status
{01:29:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> oo, nice language.
{01:30:05 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> interesting. from 1820, only.
{01:30:23 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> maybe not the firmest rock, to build on.
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{01:31:21 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> 200 years ago is all. we did not have this in society before?
{01:34:00 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> what would we say, rank?
{01:34:17 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> or is that more official, officious – etc?
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{01:34:26 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> formal, at least – ?
{01:34:29 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> hmm
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{01:35:57 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> class?
{01:36:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> or is that a very wide net?
{01:36:15 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘there are three social classes’, etc
{01:36:20 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> – ?
{01:36:27 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> class, maybe.
{01:37:22 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> is one more male, the other more for females? by connotation?
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{01:39:35 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> [13:35:55] <@lakitu> class? [13:36:00] <@lakitu> or is that a very wide net? [13:36:13] <@lakitu> ‘there are three social classes’, etc [13:36:18] <@lakitu> – ? [13:36:25] <@lakitu> class, maybe. [13:37:20] <@lakitu> is one more male, the other more for females? by connotation?
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{01:40:14 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety class
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{01:40:39 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety class
{01:42:23 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> status to me connotes this sociological, empirically-verifiable evidence, class is a little more open ended, but it has come to be identified with political economics, namely (here, today,) middle class, upper class, etc
{01:42:51 pm (CDT):} <`411> “c. 1600, ‘group of students,’ in U. S. especially ‘number of pupils in a school or college of the same grade,’ from French classe (14c.), from Latin classis ‘a class, a division; army, fleet,’ especially ‘any one of the six orders into which Servius Tullius divided the Roman people for the purpose of taxation;’ traditionally originally ‘the people of Rome under arms’ (a sense attested in English from (…)
{01:42:57 pm (CDT):} <`411> 1650s), and thus akin to calare ‘to call (to arms),’ from PIE root *kele- (2) ‘to shout.’ In early use in English also in Latin form classis. Meaning ‘an order or rank of persons, a number of persons having certain characteristics in common’ is from 1660s. School and university sense of ‘course, lecture’ (1650s) is from the notion of a form or lecture reserved to scholars who had attained a certain (…)
{01:43:04 pm (CDT):} <`411> “c. 1600, ‘group of students,’ in U. S. especially ‘number of pupils in a school or college of the same grade,’ from French classe (14c.), from Latin classis ‘a class, a division; army, fleet,’ especially ‘any one of the six orders into which Servius Tullius divided the Roman people for the purpose of taxation;’ traditionally originally ‘the people of Rome under arms’ (a sense attested in English from (…)
{01:43:12 pm (CDT):} <`411> level. Natural history sense ‘group of related plants or animals’ is from 1753. Meaning ‘high quality’ is from 1874. Meaning ‘a division of society according to status’ (with upper, lower, etc.) is from 1763. Class-consciousness (1903) is from German Klassenbewusst. The fault, the evil, in a class society is when privilege exists without responsibility and duty. The evil of the classless society is that (…)
{01:43:21 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> repeating.
{01:43:22 pm (CDT):} <`411> 1650s), and thus akin to calare ‘to call (to arms),’ from PIE root *kele- (2) ‘to shout.’ In early use in English also in Latin form classis. Meaning ‘an order or rank of persons, a number of persons having certain characteristics in common’ is from 1660s. School and university sense of ‘course, lecture’ (1650s) is from the notion of a form or lecture reserved to scholars who had attained a certain (…)
{01:43:27 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/class
{01:43:30 pm (CDT):} <`411> level. Natural history sense ‘group of related plants or animals’ is from 1753. Meaning ‘high quality’ is from 1874. Meaning ‘a division of society according to status’ (with upper, lower, etc.) is from 1763. Class-consciousness (1903) is from German Klassenbewusst. The fault, the evil, in a class society is when privilege exists without responsibility and duty. The evil of the classless society is that (…)
{01:43:34 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/class
{01:45:09 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> of course i’m pointing out flaws in using these words this way – re economic ‘classes’ which are popular now to be spoken of.
{01:45:27 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i guess one way of referring to this would be ‘high society’
{01:45:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> – as an adjective, ‘high-society’
{01:47:48 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> we seldom distinguish wealth from social status, in our language: ‘upper class’ means rich, & it also means refined, pedigreed
{01:47:53 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> of a high pedigree*
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{01:48:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> the distinction is not made (most often).
{01:50:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> to be rich & ignoble would be some kind of unmentionable embarrassment.
{01:51:07 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> some kind of unmentionability.
{01:51:12 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> or unmentionable.
{01:51:27 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (((some kind of unmentionable.)))
{01:54:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> a dysfunctional black sheep of the family who was an exception, rather than characteristic of upper class families
{01:56:59 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> nobility is another word that occured to me, in this synonym ring. i would then comment that it may be preponderantly masculine, also, or itself, at least in its connotation to me
{01:57:40 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> if we were to include it.
{01:58:19 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> again semi-official, official, etc
{01:58:40 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> in Europe they may have a more sentimental– & unspoken– affinity for ‘nobility’ tho
{01:58:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> they/you
{01:59:43 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> semi-official, official, in one meaning of it
{02:00:09 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> probably the public face of it, tho that doesn’t mean the best & most meaningful sense
{02:00:32 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety nobility
{02:00:41 pm (CDT):} <`411> “mid-14c., nobilite, ‘honor, renown; majesty, grandeur;’ late 14c., ‘quality of being excellent or rare,’ from Old French nobilite ‘high rank; dignity, grace; great deed’ (12c., Modern French nobilité), and directly from Latin nobilitatem (nominative nobilitas) ‘celebrity, fame; high birth; excellence, superiority; the nobles,’ from nobilis ‘well-known, prominent’ (see noble (adj.)). Meaning ‘quality of (…)
{02:00:45 pm (CDT):} <`411> being of noble rank or birth; social or political preeminence, usually accompanied by hereditary privilege’ is attested from late 14c.; sense of ‘the noble class collectively’ is from late 14c. Sense of ‘dignity of mind, elevation of the soul, loftiness of tone’ is from 1590s.”
{02:00:47 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/nobility
{02:03:10 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘honor’ is a great association to make here – probably originating in time immemorial
{02:03:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> & ‘dignity’ might be the or a raw, arecognized form. {sic} (without reference to recognition).
{02:04:13 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (without reference to recognition.)
{02:05:00 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> you could be poor, cupping for water, but still be within yourself in a way that has very high dignity.
{02:05:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> these are their own huge ‘leitmotivs’, in the sense above, thruout history
{02:05:56 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘honor’, ‘dignity’– & so on
{02:07:56 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety pedigree
{02:07:59 pm (CDT):} <`411> “early 15c., pedigrue, ‘genealogical table or chart,’ from Anglo-French pe de gru, a variant of Old French pied de gru ‘foot of a crane,’ from Latin pedem accusative of pes ‘foot’ (from PIE root *ped- ‘foot’) + gruem (nominative grus) ‘crane,’ cognate with Greek geranos, Old English cran; see crane (n.)). On old manuscripts, ‘descent’ was indicated by a forked sign resembling the branching lines of a (…)
{02:08:05 pm (CDT):} <`411> genealogical chart; the sign also happened to look like a bird’s footprint. On this theory the form was influenced in Middle English by association with degree. This explanation dates back to Skeat and Sweet in the late 1800s. The word obviously is of French origin, and pied de gru is the only Old French term answering to the earliest English forms, but this sense is not attested in Old French (Modern (…)
{02:08:11 pm (CDT):} <`411> French pédigree is from English). Perhaps it was a fanciful extension developed in Anglo-French. Other explanations are considered untenable. The crane was at the time in question very common in England and France, and it figures in many similes, proverbs, and allusions. The term appears to be extant in the surname Pettigrew, Pettygrew …. [Century Dictionary] Meaning ‘ancestral line’ is mid-15c.; of (…)
{02:08:13 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/pedigree
{02:11:26 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .dictionary pedigree
{02:11:27 pm (CDT):} <`411> § noun: 1. A chart, list, or record of ancestors, to show breeding, especially distinguished breeding. [from 15th c.]; 2. A person’s ancestral history; ancestry, lineage. [from 15th c.]; 3. (uncou.) Good breeding or ancestry. [from 15th c.]; 4. The history or provenance of an idea, custom etc. [from 16th c.]; 5. The (…) — from https://en.wiktionary.org/?title=pedigree
{02:12:16 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> meaning (3).
{02:13:11 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> meaning*/sense.
{02:13:38 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (a couple posts above.)
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{02:15:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety noble
{02:15:07 pm (CDT):} <`411> “c. 1200, ‘illustrious, distinguished, of high rank or birth,’ from Old French noble ‘of noble bearing or birth,’ from Latin nobilis ‘well-known, famous, renowned; excellent, superior, splendid; high-born, of superior birth,’ earlier *gnobilis, literally ‘knowable,’ from gnoscere ‘to come to know,’ from PIE root *gno- ‘to know.’ The prominent Roman families, which were ‘well known,’ provided most of the (…)
{02:15:13 pm (CDT):} <`411> Republic’s public officials. Sense of ‘distinguished by splendor, magnificence, or stateliness’ is from late 13c. Meaning ‘worthy of honor or respect ‘ is from mid-14c. Sense of ‘having lofty character, having high moral qualities’ is from c. 1600. Noble savage is ‘primitive man conceived of as morally superior to civilized man;’ the phrase itself is from Dryden; the idea developed in the 18c. I am as (…)
{02:15:18 pm (CDT):} <`411> free as Nature first made Man,Ere the base Laws of Servitude began,When wild in Woods the noble Savage ran.[Dryden, ‘Conquest of Granada,’ 1672] A noble gas (1902) is so called for its inactivity or inertness; a use of the word that had been applied in Middle English to precious stones, metals, etc., that did not alter or oxidize when exposed to air (late 14c.), with noble in the sense of ‘having (…)
{02:15:20 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/noble
{02:16:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> knowable…
{02:16:55 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> wow . . .
{02:17:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu>
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{02:37:39 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> women– being perfect– are so consumed by being high-society – by pedigree (good breeding), having class, true nobility, (social) status, fame.
{02:38:21 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> nobility*, i will say, rather
{02:40:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> in Casanova’s Europe, this was in fine form. reading Casanova is featherstuffed with references to high society
{02:41:12 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> – as is Ovid consumed by high society, in his “Loves”, etc. (be sure to read the J. Lewis May translation, I recommend.)
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{03:16:17 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> both nursing the hidden disfigurement simply of being men, haha, in this. being one of women’s realms as it is.
{03:23:00 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> high society. class. dignity. grace. graciousness. pedigree, good breeding. rank, status. fame. elegance.
{03:25:08 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> …Ovid was an “elegist”,
{03:25:27 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> one of his only memorable descriptions of himself, for me
{03:25:52 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> if you asked ‘what he was’, that: an elegist.
{03:27:23 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (* one of his only memorable descriptions of himself, for me.)
{03:30:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety elegance
{03:30:36 pm (CDT):} <`411> “c. 1500, ‘tastefulness, correctness, harmoniousness, refinement,’ of speech or prose, from Middle French élégance, from Latin elegantia ‘taste, propriety, refinement,’ from elegantem (see elegant). Earlier form was elegancy (early 15c.). Meaning ‘refined luxury’ is from 1797. Via French come German Eleganz, Swedish elegans, etc.”
{03:30:38 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/elegance
{03:32:05 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> taste.
{03:33:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> taste… – & let’s see: elegant:
{03:33:35 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety elegant
{03:33:39 pm (CDT):} <`411> “late 15c., ‘tastefully ornate,’ from Middle French élégant (15c.), from Latin elegantem (nominative elegans) ‘choice, fine, tasteful,’ collateral form of present participle of eligere ‘select with care, choose’ (see election). Meaning ‘characterized by refined grace’ is from 1520s. Latin elegans originally was a term of reproach, ‘dainty, fastidious;’ the notion of ‘tastefully refined’ emerged in (…)
{03:33:44 pm (CDT):} <`411> classical Latin. Related: Elegantly. Elegant implies that anything of an artificial character to which it is applied is the result of training and cultivation through the study of models or ideals of grace; graceful implies less of consciousness, and suggests often a natural gift. A rustic, uneducated girl may be naturally graceful, but not elegant. [Century Dictionary]”
{03:33:46 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/elegant
{03:36:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .wiki Century Dictionary
{03:36:35 pm (CDT):} <`411> “The Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia is one of the largest encyclopedic dictionaries of the English language. In its day it was compared favorably with the Oxford English Dictionary and frequently consulted for more factual information than would normally be the case for a dictionary. The Century Dictionary is based on The Imperial Dictionary of the English Language, edited by Rev. John Ogilvie (1797–1867) and (…)”
{03:36:37 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Dictionary
{03:36:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> just checking the years
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{03:37:08 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ah – well around 100 years old or more, I would say.
{03:37:09 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> Hi Kids!
{03:37:30 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> but yes: elegant’s etymology.
{03:37:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (“elegant”‘s.)
{03:37:59 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> – hi Thom.
{03:38:09 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> Tommy
{03:38:13 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> Thomas.
{03:38:15 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> Hello lakitu
{03:38:17 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> *smiles*
{03:38:17 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> Tommy
{03:38:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> haha
{03:38:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> hi *Tommy* ^_xX
{03:40:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘el-‘ – ‘sel-‘…
{03:40:14 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> . . . *
{03:41:07 pm (CDT):} <kblom> I’d guess ex+legere
{03:41:31 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> “i select the best” was one definition of root word of eclecticism, which I used to practice, & also preach.
{03:41:42 pm (CDT):} <kblom> maybe ex+ligare
{03:43:28 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> If something is implicit when I imply, is it explicit when I exply?
{03:44:43 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘tastefully ornate’ (*gathering from that etymology again.)
{03:46:33 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> * (*gathering from that etymology again.*)
{03:46:39 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ahem
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{03:51:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> looking back in this client, i can see crucial posts of mine were being mysteriously blocked from #philosophical again: {01:11:25 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> [13:03:16] <@lakitu> what is the winning end game against feudalism? how does it end well?
{03:51:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> {01:11:25 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> [13:03:39] <@lakitu> not say violent revolution, etc
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{03:51:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> {01:19:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> *money, social status, power.* these huge leitmotivs reoccuring thruout Life.
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{03:51:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> {01:21:47 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> part of the philosophy of life, for me – in part
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{03:52:42 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> wow, changes the whole conversation
{03:52:50 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> the whole discussion
{03:53:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> John was here recently, I wonder if he knows. I think he’s an Undernet SOP or similar.
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{03:56:02 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i was saying *money, (“)social status(“), power* were leitmotivs reoccurring thruout life, & *****that***** is what was part of the philosophy of life, *****to begin this oration*****
{03:56:57 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> not ‘the questions of “violent revolution”‘ as you were misled to believe
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{03:58:28 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> The problem with a feudal system is the same as every other social structure on the planet (not restricted to humans.)
{03:59:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i just happened to extra-investigate this =(
{03:59:54 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> The problem with societies on earth is the method of succession of leadership.
{04:01:34 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i noticed that i tried to tell artalien in the first Winter of 2018 that I had read a 650-page book on applied philosophy over the last month & half or so, then. it was never sent or recorded… i looked diligently thru my logs, even finding the actual conversation itself.
{04:02:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i think i have graduated beyond IRC, all told.
{04:02:19 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> Applied philosophy? To what except itself can philosophy be applied?
{04:04:58 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> I*.
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{04:09:35 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> what a grave, grievous disappointing thing.
{04:09:43 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> * what a grave, grievous, disappointing thing.
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{04:10:55 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> There’s more of gravy than of grave to you!
{04:15:53 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> brb
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{04:50:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> what a… oh it doesn’t even matter that I think of the word anymore. beyond what it is, maybe it is also a liberation

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{06:23:58 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> continued: stateliness of course being king of those– perhaps being regal being queen: being high-society. having class; dignity; grace; graciousness; pedigree, good breeding; status, rank; fame; elegance… & then again maybe there is no finish to whom is queen of those.
{06:28:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> & very likely, i know nothing about nothing about that – the queen elegance.
{06:34:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> the queen, finest-material elegance of them all.
{06:36:45 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> likely.
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{06:45:53 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> then again i had the luckiestness to get to know gmolly, real name Martha from Tucson.
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{06:47:43 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> little aristobrat. {sic}
{06:47:57 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> heh . . .
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{06:51:40 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> truly regal…
{06:51:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> …& stately.
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{06:53:56 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> something like Divinity to know . . . =D
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This concludes our own elegism dialogue.

Dedicated to women, who are perfect; & whose only sulksome illusion they are not is inflicted by the tentative blemishes adorned upon thyselves by enemies of women’s inner & outer Beauty: the envious, the jealous, the wrongfully lusting, the drunken . . . . .

& In reminding you that some of us Scandinavians say that the gods rule men;

but the Norns, who are female, rule the gods & men.

– Valentyn

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(A disruption’s missing piece recouped as an addendum:)

{10:26:36 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> well i have a dialogue– those nasty, non-philosophy, audience transgressing ones of mine as John labeled them– from yesterday, the Elegy dialogue I ( http://joevalentyn.org/press/2020/08/24/elegism-dialogue-i-being-high-society-having-class-dignity-grace-graciousness-pedigree-status-elegance-the-regal-stateliness-also-with-an-attempt-at-the-queen-king-elegances-whispering/ ) from yesterday, but at 17 chatters, we do not quite have a
{10:26:36 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> quorum
{10:26:40 pm (CDT):} <JohnStar> Title: Elegism dialogue I: Being high-society. Having class; dignity; grace; graciousness; pedigree; status; elegance; the regal; & stateliness. Also with an attempt at the queen & king elegances, whispering aloud that there may be no finish to the double spiral staircase upwards to the final queen elegance. Amen. ⸻ ♡, Joe Valentyn
{10:26:45 pm (CDT):} <`411> — “Elegism dialogue I: Being high-society. Having class; dignity; grace; graciousness; pedigree; status; elegance; the regal; & stateliness. Also with an attempt at the queen & king elegances, whispering aloud that there may be no finish to the double spiral staircase upwards to the final queen elegance. Amen. ⸻ ♡, Joe Valentyn”
{10:27:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> from yesterday, to continue, i was trying to say
{10:27:19 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> only as important as those words listed there…
{10:27:52 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> as important as you find those words there…
{10:29:57 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> –now my computer is freezing up–
{10:30:12 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> that the channel is out of order, means i will have to carry on without, then
{10:31:21 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> that the channel is out of order, means i will have to carry on without, i was trying to say
{10:32:17 pm (CDT):} <Mariu> Springfield
{10:33:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> but i will try anyway:
{10:33:56 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> gratitude, is a pantheon member, of those, too.
{10:34:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> re “Being high-society. Having class; dignity; grace; graciousness; pedigree; status; elegance; the regal; & stateliness”)
{10:34:59 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> err being regal; being stately*
{10:35:55 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> so: *re Being high-society. Having class; dignity; grace; graciousness; pedigree; status; elegance; being regal; being stately
{10:36:09 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ((being regal; stately)
{10:42:47 pm (CDT):} <Mariu> these things will not help science by much and nor they will be preventing certain situations where one person ends up having no class. It will also not help you live longer either
{10:44:11 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> gratitude is that expression of the unsaid– otherwise– gratefulness between us in caring acts & expressions, kind gestures, that warmth we thrive on, or die from: without.
{10:45:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> like Sunshine, the enjoyful appearing attractively tanned, over their whole self.
{10:46:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (those enjoying it fully enough)
{10:46:12 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> attractively tan*
{10:46:20 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i was meaning to say.
{10:47:19 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> * like Sunshine, those enjoying it fully enough appearing attractively tan, all over themselves.
{10:48:20 pm (CDT):} <Mariu> coding in an elegant manner, now that is art
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{10:48:35 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> {10:48:32 pm (CDT):} Mariu!*@* added to ignore list.
{10:48:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> citing the plague dialogue v
{10:49:51 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> he’s from the Orient or something. by his own mentions
{10:50:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> anyway, continuing:
{10:50:19 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ((…trying…))
{10:50:51 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> well i’ll conclude this addendum here
{10:51:02 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .
{10:51:05 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (thank you!)
{10:51:13 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> thank you, heh heh.
{10:51:37 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> oh–
{10:51:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> hmm
{10:52:01 pm (CDT):} * lakitu remembering something from someone absent
{10:52:07 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> err–
{10:52:35 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> well yes, there is Love & thanks, in a way. good to learn both of those.
{10:52:37 pm (CDT):} <Socrates> Sorry, no matches for chanserv changes topic to: ??:*: the alderaan mining corporation :*: – no public sales – r.i.p. chris “stajda” stajda – we wish you had seen another way in the definition database. (0.028s)
{10:53:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> there is Love, & it is different from thanks but thanks is no big baddie
{10:53:09 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> , itself.
{10:53:31 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> * there is Love, & it is different from thanks, but thanks is no big baddie, itself.
{10:53:42 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> * (there is Love, & it is different from thanks, but thanks is no big baddie, itself.)
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<lakitutoo> ah, my computer froze up fully
<lakitutoo> my computer froze up beyond any kind of use at all
<lakitutoo> so i am back on this 2nd computer.
<lakitutoo> i was saying, & so it is well to practice gratitude in both romance & diplomacy.
<lakitutoo> i*
<lakitutoo> I*
<lakitutoo> *
<lakitutoo> not sure where that word came from: romance & Life.
<lakitutoo> romance & life.*
<lakitutoo> & which goes hand in hand with care & kindness.
<+Mariu> ignoring is not caring
<lakitutoo> ah there you are again: have to /ignore you again
<lakitutoo> plague v dialogue man
<lakitutoo> & i was just before he said that starting to type, a little disruption here, fighting thru it
<lakitutoo> or trying
<lakitutoo> I*
<lakitutoo> largely I came to say,
<lakitutoo> gratitude had been, as just mentioned, something that was bemeaning to say, but did not get said untl now
<lakitutoo> , until now.*
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<lakitutoo> what we can understand as a delay on the assembly line
<lakitutoo> what we can understand as a delay on the assembly line,* something like that.
<lakitutoo> * – something like that.
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<lakitutoo> & so the the Elegism dialogue I, the present addendum, is truly concluded, then.

(For the record: one case of bitrot or similar of two letters becoming dysphoniously switched was corrected by the switching back of those two letters, in the above addendum..)

High-quality digital print by clicking thumbnail (below!) or here.

(Phablet users can see a second print after the first, which is linked to a high-quality phablet print, or they can just tap here.)

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I, Joe Valentyn, composed the poem & designed the print.

– Joe

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Zero geometry editing (meaning for each photograph):

Just get in touch however you can!!!!!!!

Here is something I’ve used to participate in politics better, with a tensor/matrix for Political Theory – my political theory I’ve collected – * (times) Current Events (a former current events list I kept):

Political Theory * Current Events.

Update: Typesetting fixed. (Zoom in if you want, the typesetting is in between plateaus.)

The political theory & current events were gathered by hand, & I made the program that makes the tensor/matrix.

Each item – up to what you can stomach – should be dealt with by hand, to keep the human touch with political causes in a more systematic, ‘agrarian’ political practice.

⸻ Joe Valentyn

Today (this diurne (24 hours)) is a big day for me: I released four select music theory moduluses: each never repeats, is the same forwards & back, & seamlessly loops.

Further, this music is tuned to 7.83 hertz – the fundamental resonant frequency for the Earth (see here).

You can access them here:

https://www.girlsaskguys.com/qt/entertainment-arts/q5169537-how-does-my-music-theory-creation-sound-do-you-like-this-never

Or if that site disappears, here:

https://joevalentyn.org/’s-files-for-2/GirlsAskGuys.com/

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Update century twenty-one year twenty-four January Thirteenth central U.S. time pm( sic) 12:37′: added “Further, this music is tuned to 7.83 hertz – the dominant resonant frequency for the Earth (see here).“

Update 2024_January3rd : Chat scrolls that were lost by destroyed hard drive were provided by `inhahe` (Richard Nichols III) that I went thru & found the dialogue that came earlier on the (Nicolaus-and-Daniel-)Bernoullli–Kelly maximum (abstract) growth investment strategy; they are included here.

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Update 2023_December10th : Added missing Bernoulli, Daniel Bernoulli, to the spread title & slightly altered the first sentence’s grammar:

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I got this idea plural years ago, & tonight committed to teaching this very lucrative investment strategy:

From me (Joe Jerome Valentyn – nicknamed “lakitu“) in the forum, century twenty-one year twenty-three November eighteenth:

{central U.S. time CST am 01:00’18”} <ratbeing_> Still almost an hour until it gets light.
{central U.S. time CST am 01:00’38”} <lakitu> wow
{central U.S. time CST am 01:00’54”} <lakitu> you’re not to be chastised for sloth this am
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{central U.S. time CST am 01:08’25”} <lakitu> (((* you’re not to be chastized for sloth this am)))
{central U.S. time CST am 01:22’47”} <ratbeing_> Well, a Benthamite solution to trolley problems would involve counting the bodies.
{central U.S. time CST am 01:37’43”} <ratbeing_> wlak
{central U.S. time CST am 01:38’07”} <lakitu> was going to say something –
{central U.S. time CST am 01:41’13”} <lakitu> from my earlier years – in part meaning in #forum – I here forward will teach to study Kelly strategy ratio investment amounts to recognize how much to invest in each investment – in the abstract meaning for investment I describe – scenario . . .
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{central U.S. time CST am 01:43’49”} <lakitu> for a investment scenario where the risk is 75% chance to win 2.3X gain, the Kelly investment ratio is 55% from your total wealth – this is the mathematically sound amount to investment your money, per the Kelly investment strategy.
{central U.S. time CST am 01:47’40”} <lakitu> (* for a investment scenario where the risk is 75% chance to win 2.3X gain, the Kelly investment ratio is 55% from your investable amount – this is the mathematically sound amount to invest from your investable amount, per the Kelly investment strategy.)
{central U.S. time CST am 01:54’15”} <lakitu> you calculate that using the Kelly investment equation: f*= (bp-q) / b {dash}
{central U.S. time CST am 01:54’43”} <lakitu> this is *ABSTRACT* investment.
{central U.S. time CST am 01:55’22”} <lakitu> that has and is not limited to money: time for example is another quantity we have, spend, invest, waste, & the like
{central U.S. time CST am 01:58’15”} <lakitu> {dash} (continuing:) where b is payoff ratio, p is chance (at winning), & q is (risk at losing)
{central U.S. time CST am 02:00’34”} <lakitu> (* {dash} (continuing:) where b is payoff ratio, p is chance (at winning), & q is risk (losing))
{central U.S. time CST am 02:01’00”} <lakitu> in our example, the payoff ratio was 2.3, the chance at winning was 75%, & the risk was 25%.
{central U.S. time CST am 02:06’37”} <lakitu> when you look at this, you find chance at winning is the subtractive inverse (meaning one quantity is x, the other quantity is 1-x) of losing (if you have a 75% chance to win, you have 25% chance to lose) – & thus since you can figure risk to lose from chance to win, you only need chance to win – & thus you students who will follow this will study the two quantities: payoff ratio (2.3(X) for example), & chance to win (75% chance to win
{central U.S. time CST am 02:06’37”} <lakitu> for example) – when you take those two quantities & figure them in the Kellly investment strategy equation: f* = (bp-q) / b, you get **how much from your investable amount to invest**: **55%** for example… the key to kelly battling back contra losses is it invests **a proportion**;
{central U.S. time CST am 02:06’55”} <lakitu> you will each time have more to invest – at the calculated ratio – to battle back with
{central U.S. time CST am 02:08’11”} <lakitu> this – the kelly investment strategy – is ****the mathematically proven soundest investment strategy for maximal growth payoff/chance investment scenarios.****
{central U.S. time CST am 02:13’23”} <lakitu> thus – you will make tables – likely via a computer program as I have done – for f* when b (payoff) = 1, 1.25, 1.33… & their combinations with p (chance to win) = 50%, 55%, 60%… where you and/or the computer program solves for f* (the ratio of your investable currency (money for example) to invest) = bp-q / b ****& you commit these kelly investment ratios to rote memory to use at your discretion in Life****
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{central U.S. time CST am 02:17’16”} <lakitu> remember: the kelly investment strategy ****mathematically proves the soundest amount to invest for *maximal growth** in payoff ratio, chance to win (& risk (percent) to lose) investment scenarios
{central U.S. time CST am 02:21’51”} <lakitu> if you have a chance to win, & a payoff amount (3.0X for example) then you can compute the mathematically soundest maximal growth investment amount (“f*”; 55% for example) for each & every case – & deciding for example how much time to invest is a very common thing in our life – now you can get it down to mathematically valid scientifically sound calculated amounts for maximal growth investments

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Update: new work might be coming soon . . .

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2023 December 1st chances-by-earning-ratios & earning-ratios-by-chances orders both listed in this post & in the standalone copy: Work is in: 2023’s November 23rd around 4:18 pm central U.S. time:

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Use this information to memorize maximal growth investment ratios you should use given the chance to win & earnings ratio you can get by winning in your life: read it here or download a copy:

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
.9✖	$.95	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
310.2✖	$310.25	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
115344.8✖	$115344.88	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
667419.7✖	$667419.79	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
316031536.2✖	$316031536.24	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
12641261.4✖	$12641261.44	67%	2✖ 5✖ 10✖ 20✖ 30✖	34% 58% 63% 65% 65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
1.3✖	$1.33	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
38.2✖	$38.24	67%	3✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
620.0✖	$620.06	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
11252.6✖	$11252.67	67%	8✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3660.6✖	$3660.63	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
906064.5✖	$906064.57	67%	12✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
484217686.2✖	$484217686.22	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
321303304.2✖	$321303304.25	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
5020364.1✖	$5020364.12	67%	2✖ 3✖ 5✖ 8✖ 10✖ 12✖ 20✖ 30✖	34% 50% 58% 62% 63% 64% 65% 65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
1.0✖	$1.02	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
29.7✖	$29.71	67%	3✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
72.1✖	$72.16	67%	4✖	56%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2504.3✖	$2504.38	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2466.8✖	$2466.86	67%	6✖	60%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
148288.2✖	$148288.25	67%	8✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
6339.1✖	$6339.19	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
248404.2✖	$248404.22	67%	12✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3999480.3✖	$3999480.37	67%	15✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
18679390898.9✖	$18679390898.97	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1233292.4✖	$1233292.48	67%	24✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
36567572515.4✖	$36567572515.41	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
526459649.4✖	$526459649.44	67%	32✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3115145.8✖	$3115145.85	67%	2✖ 3✖ 4✖ 5✖ 6✖ 8✖ 10✖ 12✖ 15✖ 20✖ 24✖ 30✖ 32✖	34% 50% 56% 58% 60% 62% 63% 64% 64% 65% 65% 65% 65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
1.6✖	$1.60	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
80.8✖	$80.82	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
57927.6✖	$57927.64	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
13202499.8✖	$13202499.89	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
5543629.1✖	$5543629.11	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
6.4✖	$6.40	75%	2✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
60032.8✖	$60032.85	75%	5✖	68%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
4406398.4✖	$4406398.48	75%	10✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3106624234.4✖	$3106624234.46	75%	20✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
38681038039.7✖	$38681038039.77	75%	30✖	74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
773731633.3✖	$773731633.37	67% 75%	2✖ 5✖ 10✖ 20✖ 30✖	34% 58% 63% 65% 65% 50% 68% 72% 73% 74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
1.7✖	$1.74	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
11.1✖	$11.17	67%	3✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2508.3✖	$2508.36	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
157245.6✖	$157245.68	67%	8✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1109938.7✖	$1109938.71	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
41910.7✖	$41910.72	67%	12✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
484543277.3✖	$484543277.35	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
15915646.7✖	$15915646.74	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
6.9✖	$6.97	75%	2✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
127.0✖	$127.00	75%	3✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
61202.2✖	$61202.20	75%	5✖	68%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
12423017.2✖	$12423017.28	75%	8✖	71%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
60645302.1✖	$60645302.12	75%	10✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
10926179.3✖	$10926179.32	75%	12✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2060088154.1✖	$2060088154.14	75%	20✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
77770870587.9✖	$77770870587.98	75%	30✖	74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
607709267.4✖	$607709267.45	67% 75%	2✖ 3✖ 5✖ 8✖ 10✖ 12✖ 20✖ 30✖	34% 50% 58% 62% 63% 64% 65% 65% 50% 62% 68% 71% 72% 72% 73% 74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
1.5✖	$1.50	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
5.0✖	$5.04	67%	3✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
63.2✖	$63.29	67%	4✖	56%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
345.6✖	$345.69	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
11186.2✖	$11186.29	67%	6✖	60%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
151.4✖	$151.42	67%	8✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
66889.7✖	$66889.75	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
21235.2✖	$21235.24	67%	12✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1053835928.6✖	$1053835928.68	67%	15✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
12560827.6✖	$12560827.63	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
54162769.2✖	$54162769.24	67%	24✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
626604516.0✖	$626604516.02	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
8626052.5✖	$8626052.57	67%	32✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
4.7✖	$4.79	75%	2✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
32.9✖	$32.92	75%	3✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
6724.9✖	$6724.90	75%	4✖	66%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
9709.5✖	$9709.50	75%	5✖	68%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2025.4✖	$2025.43	75%	6✖	70%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
43777.7✖	$43777.73	75%	8✖	71%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2477649.5✖	$2477649.52	75%	10✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
22441867.3✖	$22441867.34	75%	12✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3405680705.5✖	$3405680705.55	75%	15✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
117372404212.3✖	$117372404212.36	75%	20✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
20924455734.4✖	$20924455734.49	75%	24✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
78210195670.6✖	$78210195670.64	75%	30✖	74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
138550821732.9✖	$138550821732.98	75%	32✖	74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
409939194.6✖	$409939194.63	67% 75%	2✖ 3✖ 4✖ 5✖ 6✖ 8✖ 10✖ 12✖ 15✖ 20✖ 24✖ 30✖ 32✖	34% 50% 56% 58% 60% 62% 63% 64% 64% 65% 65% 65% 65% 50% 62% 66% 68% 70% 71% 72% 72% 73% 73% 73% 74% 74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
.6✖	$.65	60%	2✖	20%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
88.9✖	$88.98	60%	5✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
379.7✖	$379.73	60%	10✖	55%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
19781.3✖	$19781.37	60%	20✖	57%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
13117485.3✖	$13117485.35	60%	30✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1.2✖	$1.24	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
706.5✖	$706.54	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
64210.7✖	$64210.70	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
509288266.3✖	$509288266.31	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
626607493.0✖	$626607493.06	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
16.6✖	$16.61	75%	2✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1217.7✖	$1217.74	75%	5✖	68%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
6494630.9✖	$6494630.96	75%	10✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3053695630.7✖	$3053695630.72	75%	20✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
115552883576.3✖	$115552883576.38	75%	30✖	74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
11.2✖	$11.25	80%	2✖	60%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
132328.0✖	$132328.00	80%	5✖	75%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
116819034.7✖	$116819034.79	80%	10✖	77%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
96431690.4✖	$96431690.49	80%	20✖	78%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
219586885139.0✖	$219586885139.05	80%	30✖	79%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3357794936.9✖	$3357794936.93	60% 67% 75% 80%	2✖ 5✖ 10✖ 20✖ 30✖	20% 50% 55% 57% 58% 34% 58% 63% 65% 65% 50% 68% 72% 73% 74% 60% 75% 77% 78% 79%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
1.0✖	$1.04	60%	2✖	20%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
.4✖	$.44	60%	3✖	40%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
7.0✖	$7.06	60%	5✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
640.2✖	$640.23	60%	8✖	54%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
5295.8✖	$5295.84	60%	10✖	55%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
9913.0✖	$9913.02	60%	12✖	56%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
10725.6✖	$10725.69	60%	20✖	57%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
104411.6✖	$104411.64	60%	30✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1.8✖	$1.85	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
41.8✖	$41.83	67%	3✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2267.2✖	$2267.22	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
29902.9✖	$29902.92	67%	8✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
55111.9✖	$55111.90	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
229500.1✖	$229500.12	67%	12✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
342903.8✖	$342903.83	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
10731896.0✖	$10731896.06	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
17.2✖	$17.22	75%	2✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
457.7✖	$457.77	75%	3✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
60377.8✖	$60377.86	75%	5✖	68%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
6664986.2✖	$6664986.29	75%	8✖	71%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
8431539.2✖	$8431539.23	75%	10✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
22121979.1✖	$22121979.16	75%	12✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
106813603.4✖	$106813603.44	75%	20✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2211836489.7✖	$2211836489.74	75%	30✖	74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
9.8✖	$9.83	80%	2✖	60%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
982.1✖	$982.16	80%	3✖	70%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
132328.0✖	$132328.00	80%	5✖	75%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
35455793.8✖	$35455793.86	80%	8✖	77%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
110616760.8✖	$110616760.85	80%	10✖	77%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2010987279.3✖	$2010987279.38	80%	12✖	78%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
222834628205.2✖	$222834628205.26	80%	20✖	78%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
273777760941.6✖	$273777760941.64	80%	30✖	79%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1078126694.2✖	$1078126694.29	60% 67% 75% 80%	2✖ 3✖ 5✖ 8✖ 10✖ 12✖ 20✖ 30✖	20% 40% 50% 54% 55% 56% 57% 58% 34% 50% 58% 62% 63% 64% 65% 65% 50% 62% 68% 71% 72% 72% 73% 74% 60% 70% 75% 77% 77% 78% 78% 79%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
.7✖	$.75	60%	2✖	20%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1.6✖	$1.61	60%	3✖	40%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
23.6✖	$23.62	60%	4✖	46%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
28.7✖	$28.79	60%	5✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2.1✖	$2.11	60%	6✖	52%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
582.2✖	$582.26	60%	8✖	54%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2656.3✖	$2656.35	60%	10✖	55%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
99.4✖	$99.49	60%	12✖	56%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
797837.4✖	$797837.47	60%	15✖	57%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
37893.5✖	$37893.51	60%	20✖	57%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
55761.5✖	$55761.54	60%	24✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
199543.6✖	$199543.66	60%	30✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
315155561.9✖	$315155561.95	60%	32✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1.9✖	$1.98	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
10.7✖	$10.76	67%	3✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
133.0✖	$133.04	67%	4✖	56%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
860.3✖	$860.31	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1314.5✖	$1314.56	67%	6✖	60%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
10382.8✖	$10382.83	67%	8✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1055809.3✖	$1055809.33	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
247990.2✖	$247990.26	67%	12✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1353343.9✖	$1353343.93	67%	15✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
13853255.7✖	$13853255.70	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2530249856.2✖	$2530249856.24	67%	24✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
18596914686.4✖	$18596914686.46	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
8628131.7✖	$8628131.70	67%	32✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
4.8✖	$4.84	75%	2✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
363.8✖	$363.87	75%	3✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
210.5✖	$210.59	75%	4✖	66%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2010.2✖	$2010.28	75%	5✖	68%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
27361.6✖	$27361.60	75%	6✖	70%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
619022.6✖	$619022.65	75%	8✖	71%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
4483332.2✖	$4483332.26	75%	10✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1931098.8✖	$1931098.80	75%	12✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
81090763.8✖	$81090763.88	75%	15✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
58730581721.5✖	$58730581721.51	75%	20✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
10502442524.3✖	$10502442524.37	75%	24✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3401714225109.0✖	$3401714225109.04	75%	30✖	74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
68948372028.2✖	$68948372028.21	75%	32✖	74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
25.4✖	$25.42	80%	2✖	60%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
826.1✖	$826.13	80%	3✖	70%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
24570.9✖	$24570.95	80%	4✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
14798.4✖	$14798.49	80%	5✖	75%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
722372.6✖	$722372.67	80%	6✖	76%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1280459.2✖	$1280459.27	80%	8✖	77%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
322458331.3✖	$322458331.31	80%	10✖	77%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1360250841.3✖	$1360250841.36	80%	12✖	78%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
6529424552.7✖	$6529424552.73	80%	15✖	78%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
110046986544.2✖	$110046986544.20	80%	20✖	78%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1369298951208.2✖	$1369298951208.24	80%	24✖	79%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
12846060618649.9✖	$12846060618649.91	80%	30✖	79%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
12577507887242.7✖	$12577507887242.78	80%	32✖	79%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
18708254501.4✖	$18708254501.42	60% 67% 75% 80%	2✖ 3✖ 4✖ 5✖ 6✖ 8✖ 10✖ 12✖ 15✖ 20✖ 24✖ 30✖ 32✖	20% 40% 46% 50% 52% 54% 55% 56% 57% 57% 58% 58% 58% 34% 50% 56% 58% 60% 62% 63% 64% 64% 65% 65% 65% 65% 50% 62% 66% 68% 70% 71% 72% 72% 73% 73% 73% 74% 74% 60% 70% 73% 75% 76% 77% 77% 78% 78% 78% 79% 79% 79%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
1.4✖	$1.40	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2333.6✖	$2333.68	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
109859.9✖	$109859.96	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1309545.4✖	$1309545.49	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
326399021.7✖	$326399021.79	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
13055960.8✖	$13055960.87	67%	2✖ 5✖ 10✖ 20✖ 30✖	34% 58% 63% 65% 65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
1.0✖	$1.09	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
10.4✖	$10.48	75%	2✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
8.1✖	$8.12	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
19127.1✖	$19127.10	75%	5✖	68%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3325.2✖	$3325.21	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2397854.8✖	$2397854.83	75%	10✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
12885976.3✖	$12885976.31	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1048420847.7✖	$1048420847.72	75%	20✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
321216809.0✖	$321216809.05	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
39125297350.9✖	$39125297350.91	75%	30✖	74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
788930283.1✖	$788930283.19	67% 75%	2✖ 5✖ 10✖ 20✖ 30✖	34% 58% 63% 65% 65% 50% 68% 72% 73% 74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
.6✖	$.69	60%	2✖	20%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
.9✖	$.96	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3.7✖	$3.70	75%	2✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
21.6✖	$21.65	80%	2✖	60%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
20.0✖	$20.01	60%	5✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2504.2✖	$2504.28	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
60470.4✖	$60470.44	75%	5✖	68%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
137680.0✖	$137680.00	80%	5✖	75%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2681.2✖	$2681.25	60%	10✖	55%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
6493.2✖	$6493.26	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
4334664.8✖	$4334664.82	75%	10✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
217907997.9✖	$217907997.92	80%	10✖	77%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
19769.8✖	$19769.82	60%	20✖	57%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
484542414.4✖	$484542414.42	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2095263046.5✖	$2095263046.54	75%	20✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
114329806757.1✖	$114329806757.15	80%	20✖	78%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
4544091.6✖	$4544091.63	60%	30✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
19212697730.1✖	$19212697730.18	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1767634551.1✖	$1767634551.18	75%	30✖	74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
6505263148410.0✖	$6505263148410.00	80%	30✖	79%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
65262480247.8✖	$65262480247.82	60% 67% 75% 80%	2✖ 5✖ 10✖ 20✖ 30✖	20% 50% 55% 57% 58% 34% 58% 63% 65% 65% 50% 68% 72% 73% 74% 60% 75% 77% 78% 79%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
2.1✖	$2.11	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
5.1✖	$5.16	67%	3✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2238.9✖	$2238.97	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
10618.8✖	$10618.82	67%	8✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
12313.6✖	$12313.62	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
11947.8✖	$11947.80	67%	12✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
484226109.6✖	$484226109.68	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
18596999711.4✖	$18596999711.40	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
290578120.4✖	$290578120.49	67%	2✖ 3✖ 5✖ 8✖ 10✖ 12✖ 20✖ 30✖	34% 50% 58% 62% 63% 64% 65% 65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
1.8✖	$1.83	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
6.2✖	$6.21	75%	2✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
12.7✖	$12.75	67%	3✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
187.0✖	$187.08	75%	3✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
353.8✖	$353.80	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
14583.8✖	$14583.82	75%	5✖	68%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1473.3✖	$1473.35	67%	8✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
331741.4✖	$331741.42	75%	8✖	71%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
9789.6✖	$9789.62	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2331839.2✖	$2331839.26	75%	10✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
21274.0✖	$21274.04	67%	12✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
32668879.3✖	$32668879.32	75%	12✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
667643.8✖	$667643.84	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
37059548.4✖	$37059548.48	75%	20✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
321218304.5✖	$321218304.52	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3364361604316.9✖	$3364361604316.93	75%	30✖	74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
26286584551.7✖	$26286584551.72	67% 75%	2✖ 3✖ 5✖ 8✖ 10✖ 12✖ 20✖ 30✖	34% 50% 58% 62% 63% 64% 65% 65% 50% 62% 68% 71% 72% 72% 73% 74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
.7✖	$.74	60%	2✖	20%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1.9✖	$1.91	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
10.3✖	$10.34	75%	2✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
6.0✖	$6.06	80%	2✖	60%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1.2✖	$1.24	60%	3✖	40%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
38.0✖	$38.02	67%	3✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
43.6✖	$43.61	75%	3✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
280.0✖	$280.02	80%	3✖	70%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
11.6✖	$11.65	60%	5✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2210.3✖	$2210.37	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
14610.5✖	$14610.56	75%	5✖	68%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
218344.0✖	$218344.00	80%	5✖	75%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1182.1✖	$1182.14	60%	8✖	54%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
11112.3✖	$11112.37	67%	8✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
318061.3✖	$318061.35	75%	8✖	71%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1692722.5✖	$1692722.56	80%	8✖	77%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
199.7✖	$199.75	60%	10✖	55%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
60932.2✖	$60932.23	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
58562580.7✖	$58562580.72	75%	10✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
9198761.2✖	$9198761.24	80%	10✖	77%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
9382.7✖	$9382.75	60%	12✖	56%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
5074845.0✖	$5074845.03	67%	12✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
381026722.9✖	$381026722.96	75%	12✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
31288890.0✖	$31288890.09	80%	12✖	78%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
8158565.4✖	$8158565.44	60%	20✖	57%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
497736025.3✖	$497736025.36	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1012623485.1✖	$1012623485.12	75%	20✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
5863544482.0✖	$5863544482.08	80%	20✖	78%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
104359.0✖	$104359.05	60%	30✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
321304825.0✖	$321304825.01	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
449601327.5✖	$449601327.58	75%	30✖	74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
12954901473545.9✖	$12954901473545.99	80%	30✖	79%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
50608095640.8✖	$50608095640.84	60% 67% 75% 80%	2✖ 3✖ 5✖ 8✖ 10✖ 12✖ 20✖ 30✖	20% 40% 50% 54% 55% 56% 57% 58% 34% 50% 58% 62% 63% 64% 65% 65% 50% 62% 68% 71% 72% 72% 73% 74% 60% 70% 75% 77% 77% 78% 78% 79%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
1.7✖	$1.70	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
122.5✖	$122.59	67%	3✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
120.5✖	$120.53	67%	4✖	56%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
79.8✖	$79.88	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3335.8✖	$3335.88	67%	6✖	60%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
11204.4✖	$11204.49	67%	8✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
9489.4✖	$9489.43	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
247498.6✖	$247498.68	67%	12✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
49220.6✖	$49220.69	67%	15✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
359325.6✖	$359325.63	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1234300.1✖	$1234300.18	67%	24✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
5542108.8✖	$5542108.85	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
8503547.0✖	$8503547.05	67%	32✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
50316.8✖	$50316.84	67%	2✖ 3✖ 4✖ 5✖ 6✖ 8✖ 10✖ 12✖ 15✖ 20✖ 24✖ 30✖ 32✖	34% 50% 56% 58% 60% 62% 63% 64% 64% 65% 65% 65% 65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
2.0✖	$2.03	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
4.0✖	$4.06	75%	2✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1.4✖	$1.47	67%	3✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
79.2✖	$79.28	75%	3✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
35.7✖	$35.79	67%	4✖	56%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
12700.9✖	$12700.90	75%	4✖	66%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2499.9✖	$2499.92	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
5158.5✖	$5158.52	75%	5✖	68%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
12065.7✖	$12065.77	67%	6✖	60%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
48831.5✖	$48831.57	75%	6✖	70%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
9796.9✖	$9796.94	67%	8✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
578545.0✖	$578545.07	75%	8✖	71%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3171.0✖	$3171.09	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
4483438.0✖	$4483438.08	75%	10✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
5301601.8✖	$5301601.84	67%	12✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
42905299.7✖	$42905299.78	75%	12✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
38422049.6✖	$38422049.66	67%	15✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3332174706.2✖	$3332174706.22	75%	15✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
12910826.9✖	$12910826.98	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
53874044.4✖	$53874044.44	75%	20✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
4565861.2✖	$4565861.28	67%	24✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
362298367736.6✖	$362298367736.65	75%	24✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
16182765.5✖	$16182765.55	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3402143509454.5✖	$3402143509454.53	75%	30✖	74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
526584231.8✖	$526584231.85	67%	32✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
6479638403891.4✖	$6479638403891.41	75%	32✖	74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
19172085763.6✖	$19172085763.67	67% 75%	2✖ 3✖ 4✖ 5✖ 6✖ 8✖ 10✖ 12✖ 15✖ 20✖ 24✖ 30✖ 32✖	34% 50% 56% 58% 60% 62% 63% 64% 64% 65% 65% 65% 65% 50% 62% 66% 68% 70% 71% 72% 72% 73% 73% 73% 74% 74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1

STATISTICALLY ACHIEVED EARNINGS RATIO	AVERAGE TOTAL EARNINGS	CHANCES	EARNINGS PER SUCCESS	KELLY RATIO (WHAT TO INVEST OF YOUR WEALTH)	INVESTMENTS PER TRIAL ✖ TRIALS	STARTING MONEY
.6✖	$.61	60%	2✖	20%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1.6✖	$1.67	67%	2✖	34%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
19.8✖	$19.88	75%	2✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
16.3✖	$16.34	80%	2✖	60%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2.7✖	$2.74	60%	3✖	40%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
56.0✖	$56.05	67%	3✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
206.2✖	$206.29	75%	3✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
745.7✖	$745.79	80%	3✖	70%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
9.7✖	$9.78	60%	4✖	46%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
53.9✖	$53.94	67%	4✖	56%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1419.3✖	$1419.39	75%	4✖	66%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
13312.5✖	$13312.50	80%	4✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
37.1✖	$37.10	60%	5✖	50%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2540.6✖	$2540.65	67%	5✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
5481.8✖	$5481.86	75%	5✖	68%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
119272.0✖	$119272.00	80%	5✖	75%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
5552.8✖	$5552.85	60%	6✖	52%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1292.9✖	$1292.90	67%	6✖	60%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
345369.2✖	$345369.22	75%	6✖	70%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
2046928.9✖	$2046928.95	80%	6✖	76%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
166.9✖	$166.92	60%	8✖	54%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
1021.2✖	$1021.25	67%	8✖	62%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
12136357.8✖	$12136357.85	75%	8✖	71%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
24323658.5✖	$24323658.51	80%	8✖	77%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3187.0✖	$3187.00	60%	10✖	55%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3660.6✖	$3660.63	67%	10✖	63%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
4340277.1✖	$4340277.12	75%	10✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
218147406.8✖	$218147406.82	80%	10✖	77%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
65.2✖	$65.28	60%	12✖	56%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
453970.1✖	$453970.13	67%	12✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
11235803.7✖	$11235803.70	75%	12✖	72%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
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37032709.5✖	$37032709.59	67%	15✖	64%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
81133550.8✖	$81133550.85	75%	15✖	73%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
12501995202.1✖	$12501995202.10	80%	15✖	78%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
286912.5✖	$286912.54	60%	20✖	57%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
25096316.6✖	$25096316.62	67%	20✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
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112920902602.4✖	$112920902602.41	80%	20✖	78%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
32236786.8✖	$32236786.84	60%	24✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
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642248309.6✖	$642248309.68	67%	30✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
3364805870687.3✖	$3364805870687.37	75%	30✖	74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
111672164085.6✖	$111672164085.60	80%	30✖	79%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
297626.7✖	$297626.79	60%	32✖	58%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
24829633.9✖	$24829633.96	67%	32✖	65%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
205993109617.6✖	$205993109617.66	75%	32✖	74%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
198931875579.9✖	$198931875579.96	80%	32✖	79%	10 ✖ 10 = 100	$1
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⸻ Joe Valentyn
b. Faribault,
Minnesota,
the United States
(United States’) 2023 Thanksgiving Day

I posted a very Liked concept for a new currency that is time – literally hours & minutes & the Like – that I will respread here:

https://t.co/nZBYsGumXY: I have writ a new currency concept: as we grow in culture, as we grow in technology, we are gaining more leisure time – for socialization, for the blogosphere & watching videos – for personal life deedery; (cont.)

— JOE VALENTYN (@joevalentyn) June 22, 2024

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http://X.com: I have writ a new currency concept: as we grow in culture, as we grow in technology, we are gaining more leisure time – for socialization, for the blogosphere & watching videos – for personal life deedery; (cont.)
JOE VALENTYN
@joevalentyn
(cont.) this new currency unit is not fiat currency, nor de facto currency: it is time – manhours – people’s lives they can share with you.
Time as a currency is something everyone has, & that still each person’s worth – including for other people – is different. Time (cont.)
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(cont.) is a better currency than gold & silver & a better currency than fiat currency like the dollar or euro . . . & better than a new Japanese computer currency. It is perhaps the purest currency . . .
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JOE VALENTYN
@joevalentyn
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(cont.) In the earliest sketch for this, you would agree how long & when you exchange your personal Love, care, kindness, & niceness for some agreed product and/or service.

⸻ Valentyn_Joe
USA_Minnesota
2024_June28^th

In this dialogue I am lakitu. This dialogue is spontaneous; the first & fourth parts are slow, the second & fourth parts are the reason I post this:

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{02:46:10 pm} <lakitu> shopping for coffee online in-between things the last couple days… kind of a new modern twist on coffee fandom for us coffee aficionados: sorting thru 20,000 brands to find the one, true, best whole-bean pouch our vested belief in like, Google coffee-blog search-result #3’s recommnedations can buy us… sort of like a medallion hunt or something,

{02:46:10 pm} <lakitu> that elusive, great coffee taste we’ll be drinking maybe a couple times a day. is it in Key Largo Much Grounded whole-bean Sumatra, San Jose’s Felicimo Arabica blend? we will never know, there’s only 20,000 brands to try. but I still will feel strongly: this tasty cup is probably basically the best the money can buy, haha.

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{02:47:45 pm} <lakitu> …no one really knows – there’s 20,000 brands…

{02:51:43 pm} <lakitu> a small-town coffee blogger accepted a small sugaring of free beans, monetary kickback, sister-site links for his produced confession of the best bean having been found, 10,000 of us over time scan over his site lol

{02:57:24 pm} <lakitu> I’m being more comical, in my mind, than critical. these little peccadilloes being pointed out; it’s like making fun of your little sister for her dress being way hiked up funny – some minor chuff in her style that is more risible than anything.

{03:00:08 pm} <lakitu> some minor hiccup

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{03:06:50 pm} <lakitu> some cowlick in your little brother’s hair.

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{03:07:30 pm} <lakitu> –when I was young my hair stood straight up. I looked like someone you’d nickname “Sparky”.

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{03:08:05 pm} <lakitu> – straight up. most of my pictures are with my hair as a 1, 2 year old slicked back, because of my Mom wanting it to be down for pictures

{03:08:15 pm} <lakitu> but it stood straight up.

{03:08:25 pm} <lakitu> bright blonde.

{03:08:33 pm} <lakitu> bright/white blonde.

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{03:09:27 pm} <lakitu> wb ControlFreq

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{03:09:51 pm} <lakitu> I’ll cats you up.

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{03:10:41 pm} <lakitu> (see pm.)

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{03:12:36 pm} <lakitu> wb artalien_

{03:12:43 pm} <lakitu> I’ll cats you up too!

{03:12:52 pm} <ControlFreq> I have a friend I call Sparky because I helped him design a radio.

{03:14:35 pm} <lakitu> some spark-gap element, or?

{03:14:47 pm} <lakitu> I was born with nearly a full head of hair too. the nurses attributed this to my Mom eating peanut butter as a food she craved during pregnancy.

{03:15:08 pm} <ControlFreq> Nope. On small ships, with one radio tech, he or she is usually called Sparky

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{03:15:25 pm} <lakitu> ha!

{03:17:25 pm} <lakitu> My Mom craved fish & peanut butter & pineapple, with me.

{03:18:03 pm} * lakitu makes a little cartoon of a menu in a fetus’s hands in the womb . . .

{03:18:07 pm} <lakitu> “I’ll have the fish!”

{03:20:11 pm} <lakitu> they say the omega 3s with fish are important for a carried baby’s emotional development thruout life. also prevents allergies or somesuch

{03:21:54 pm} <lakitu> (just got to avoid the species laced with methylmercury . . . )

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{03:27:54 pm} <lakitu> mbog did not have that good sternum of stamina… he hailed a lifeboat & jumped ship

{03:27:58 pm} <lakitu> wb Sioux!!

{03:28:29 pm} <lakitu> good weekend– evening, right?, for you?

{03:28:52 pm} * lakitu joking with his phrasing there

{03:28:53 pm} <lakitu> btw

{03:29:47 pm} <lakitu> a little bit of wrestling with your brother, re mbog’s lacking endurance

{03:31:29 pm} <lakitu> *intestinal fortitude* *laughing*

{03:31:48 pm} <lakitu> I think that’s what I was (playfully) thinking of

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{03:33:29 pm} * lakitu prepares some clips of big teutonic grunting & gritting, to demonstrate his approach re emanating fortitude immanently from the intestines

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{03:33:38 pm} <lakitu> from the intestine

{03:33:53 pm} <lakitu> wb Rags.

{03:35:32 pm} <Ragtime^> 10 Q lakitu

{03:35:55 pm} <lakitu> heh.

{03:36:39 pm} * lakitu in a laughy mood

{03:39:21 pm} <lakitu> (1,-2-year-old*)

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{03:43:43 pm} <lakitu> (1-, 2-year-old*)

{04:01:14 pm} * lakitu pours another espresso

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{04:16:16 pm} <LionClan> hello

{04:16:28 pm} <lakitu> ‘ Lincoln.

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{04:28:54 pm} <lakitu> https://pastebin.com/ZaaqtrnF

{04:28:55 pm} <zhan> Mumbo-jumbo (June 26th, 2021; a scroll for Lionclan) – Pastebin.com

{04:28:58 pm} <lakitu> a scroll for you

{04:50:03 pm} <lauraaahNOpm> Hi

{04:53:27 pm} <lakitu> hey

{04:54:15 pm} * lakitu rounding up yard varmints in one of his programming modules – trying to wrap up

{04:55:01 pm} <lakitu> how are you?

{04:55:41 pm} <lakitu> up to anything this weekend day? maybe evening for you?

{04:55:49 pm} <lakitu> I guess it would probably be night

{04:56:34 pm} * lakitu scratches this chore– another time

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{05:10:40 pm} <lakitu> here is my latest dialogue: https://joevalentyn.org/press/2021/06/24/psychiatric-persecution-the-citizens-commission-on-human-rights-the-cchr-thomas-szasz-britney-spears-ovid-god-almighty/

{05:10:50 pm} <zhan> Psychiatric Persecution: The Citizens Commission on Human Rights (The CCHR), Thomas Szasz, Britney Spears, Ovid, & God Almighty ⸻ Heart, Joe Valentyn

{05:13:16 pm} <lakitu> parts ii & iii now included.

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{05:28:03 pm} <lakitu> think I’ll go & forage for some jerky from the store room.

{05:39:16 pm} <lakitu> …the abode is like a fallen angel: a man who desireth a woman from afar, while she is locketed with some scarcely deserving man. one of Life’s most common taboos is to dare to cross a line drawn by a girl’s main stang, to first begin to court her favor . . .

{05:41:43 pm} <lakitu> …the abode is ‘like a fallen angel’s*

{05:44:37 pm} <lakitu> …& her: she must feel like a First-Nations girl, caught between present & potential tribe, prances & shows of force… jerkies & pelts…

{05:47:18 pm} <artalien_> Bionic ma

{05:47:50 pm} <artalien_> Bionic man is jumpim thru the telly vision ser

{05:47:54 pm} <artalien_> set

{05:48:09 pm} <artalien_> Guess who’s coming next

{05:49:16 pm} <artalien_> man V midgie https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OrogvmBv/20210626_234854.jpg

{05:50:19 pm} * artalien_ is a victim of a cruel mother

{05:50:26 pm} <lakitu> oh no

{05:51:07 pm} <artalien_> hehe, 2 bottles of cider and I’m good to go

{05:55:27 pm} <artalien_> I had an action man that had gripping hands

{05:55:49 pm} <artalien_> I tied him to a huge elastic band and lauched him into forever

{05:57:40 pm} <lakitu> …that’s good, heheh…

{05:58:11 pm} <artalien_> https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/152770612329790710/

{05:58:12 pm} <zhan> Pin on Greatest Fictional Spacecraft

{05:58:59 pm} <artalien_> I also had one of those but a ruffin took it and covered it in snot, he was making an unconscious social statement I figure with hindsight

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{06:00:37 pm} <artalien_> https://youtu.be/GWiM6gcxKVw

{06:00:38 pm} <zhan> UFO Theme [Remastered] by DanTheMan 2150AD [1m8s – 11k views ? 203 ? 1 (99.51%) – 1.5y ago]

{06:02:13 pm} <artalien_> Now if that doesn’t make you want a hair cut you may be dead

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{06:04:38 pm} <lakitu> …a man is ‘like a religionformer, only with sacrament keepsakes, the highest ritual ethos in work, provide, keep up – mortal priestly sins & of the utmost meaningfulness: the Holy Love with his deified: his mistress. the feminine member of this does not disappoint – granting him assuages to what riddles him – sapient teachings, even – ecstatic Divine experiences, & a whole code of ethics to carry & key himself to . . .

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{06:24:00 pm} <lakitu> a little like a uncontacted tribe member spiritualizing their special divinity.

{06:27:37 pm} <lakitu> …their higher power…

{06:28:58 pm} <LionClan> https://boredomtherapy.com/buzz-aldrin-moon-landing-photo

{06:28:59 pm} <zhan> Buzz Aldrin Opens Up With The Real Story About The Iconic Moon Landing Photo

{06:34:48 pm} <LionClan> I’m sure they went into low earth orbit I believe that part of the story

{06:35:17 pm} <LionClan> The rest of it, not so much.

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{06:42:55 pm} <lakitu> & so it is a great malevolence – *to him* – for another man to broach offering himself to her, perhaps a hope of a tryst where they can be alone, deep in the subtext of his song before her; some gleam that, almost always to the devout man’s surprise, his Highest commutes the offense of, showing a conciliatory sign to the two: an adorer, not an enemy… an adorer, not an enemy… but for men such is outside them, they do not soak in the

{06:42:55 pm} <lakitu> salts of comforting, of soothing, of curing odium & grief

{06:44:58 pm} <Ragtime^> Trump is the most interesting person in politics.

{06:52:40 pm} <lakitu> so a befuddled man in sin is beguiled as the suitor eagerly claims his gains, the Precious not guarding her responses to receiving the affections of two admirers in one court, knowing the violatory instincts toward other suitors of her longtime dedicated.

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{07:14:08 pm} <lakitu> & vignettes like this are the only breathing room a man doing the spywork of persuading a girl to come to his side; a 5-word summary of fiscal splendors, earning potential – a sultry look in your best ‘cut, best raiments – a supposedly-ambient song especially adolescent men mean the world by . . . & such espionage is by one not ultimately respectful & weary to the main stang’s perturbability – her supper conversation were it to come up

{07:14:08 pm} <lakitu> – his own crassness at the handling of such a little baby-bird romance in a potentially tumultuous affair such as when you’re doing this: broaching the lines drawn by a winsome Diviness’s heavily-armed stang; cover is light, moments are fleeting, opportunities are expensive, rapport with people in her party is countervailing. but is a labor of Love.

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{07:35:10 pm} <rzewski> secret channel now?

{07:35:22 pm} <MartyMcFly> Trump is responosible for 600,000 deaths

{07:35:22 pm} <rzewski> is too much reality sneaking into your delusional safe space

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{07:57:43 pm} <LionClan> hi John Guru

{07:58:31 pm} <JohnGuru> hi LionClan

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{08:02:42 pm} <kblom> hi john

{08:03:19 pm} <JohnGuru> it’s been a somewhat arduous day here. Gray, at times windy, and rain rain rain, lots of rain. Sinus congestion, adding a certain amount of labour to the general dreariness

{08:04:05 pm} <JohnGuru> the nice thing about this hour is that it brings a sense of normalness

{08:04:40 pm} <JohnGuru> routine suggests everything is okay/. By having a routine, we are encouraged to think the world will go on forever

{08:04:44 pm} <LionClan> I use Alka Seltzer Cold and Flu for nasal congestion. Doesn’t spike your blood pressure like some antihistamines.

{08:05:07 pm} <JohnGuru> oh, I think I may have that, LionClan. I will try it

{08:05:14 pm} <JohnGuru> I bought it and then never opened the package

{08:05:30 pm} <JohnGuru> I always liked Alka Seltzer, though

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{08:06:22 pm} <LionClan> Sinus congestion can interfere with sleep, so I take that before my naps

{08:06:29 pm} <JohnGuru> *nods*

{08:06:35 pm} <JohnGuru> yeah

{08:07:07 pm} <JohnGuru> I use Diphenhydramine. It’s cheap when bought in the generic form, by name

{08:07:24 pm} <JohnGuru> and the main ingredient of most antihistamine OTC’s

{08:07:32 pm} <LionClan> Please stop.

{08:07:47 pm} <JohnGuru> what? why?

{08:08:24 pm} <LionClan> If you tell your doctor, do you know what he would tell you? He would tell you please stop

{08:08:36 pm} <JohnGuru> oh I don’t think so

{08:08:54 pm} <JohnGuru> I think he’s the one who suggested it to me

{08:08:57 pm} <MartyMcFly> circadian rythym the sign of the blind watchmaker perhaps

{08:09:22 pm} <MartyMcFly> newtonian clockwork universe

{08:09:41 pm} <kblom> they had a cartoon character ‘Speedy’

{08:10:37 pm} <JohnGuru> Newton’s clockwork universe dominted science & philosophy for 250 years

{08:10:56 pm} <JohnGuru> but then it passed away when science shifted the ground to statistics

{08:11:19 pm} <LionClan> Newton told the world about his solar observations, in particular the apparent position is behind the actual position

{08:11:27 pm} <MartyMcFly> logic and order in the universe is comforting

{08:11:33 pm} <JohnGuru> the average person is still living in the shadow of Newton’s image

{08:11:47 pm} <JohnGuru> sure it is

{08:12:39 pm} <JohnGuru> statistics is used to explain why the universe looks deterministic ;)

{08:13:17 pm} <JohnGuru> it’s so — counterintuitive

{08:14:18 pm} <JohnGuru> Marty, if you would do the honors tonight. Lead the discussion. I can take a break

{08:14:44 pm} <JohnGuru> I think you can do it

{08:15:21 pm} <MartyMcFly> thanks, what topic should we do?

{08:15:47 pm} <JohnGuru> free will

{08:15:52 pm} <JohnGuru> or big bang theory

{08:16:08 pm} <JohnGuru> or ethics, what is the foundation of ethics

{08:16:29 pm} <MartyMcFly> order vs chaos

{08:16:37 pm} <JohnGuru> automation. Are we digging our collective grave with robots?

{08:16:45 pm} <JohnGuru> sure, order vs. chaos. I’m fine with that

{08:17:06 pm} <MartyMcFly> bbiab

{08:17:48 pm} <JohnGuru> maybe order is a particular flavor of chaos

{08:17:53 pm} <MartyMcFly> need a bite

{08:17:54 pm} <kblom> I believe kant would disapprove of the role of probability and statistics in modern science

{08:18:11 pm} <JohnGuru> kblom lol, you think so?

{08:18:31 pm} <kblom> john yes

{08:18:33 pm} <JohnGuru> that’s not much of a speculation, kblom mydear

{08:19:17 pm} <JohnGuru> Kant’s work was very much in the direction of finding the ground of things. He wanted the apodictic

{08:19:57 pm} <JohnGuru> I even bought his thin little book, the Ground of ..

{08:20:10 pm} <kblom> the apodeiptic

{08:20:38 pm} <JohnGuru> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundwork_of_the_Metaphysic_of_Morals

{08:20:38 pm} <zhan> Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals (1785; German: Grundlegung zur Metaphysik der Sitten; also known as the Foundations of the Metaphysics of Morals, Grounding of the Metaphysics of Morals, and the Grounding for the Metaphysics of Morals) is the first of Immanuel Kant’s mature works on moral philosophy and remains one of the most influential in the field.

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{08:21:46 pm} <JohnGuru> so. yes.

{08:21:55 pm} <JohnGuru> hey nine, oh nine oh

{08:22:32 pm} <JohnGuru> ap·o·dic·tic

{08:22:33 pm} <JohnGuru> Learn to pronounce

{08:22:33 pm} <JohnGuru> adjectiveFORMAL

{08:22:33 pm} <JohnGuru> clearly established or beyond dispute.

{08:22:45 pm} <kblom> is that where he says science must be apodeictically certain?

{08:23:03 pm} <JohnGuru> uh, I don’t think so

{08:23:18 pm} <JohnGuru> unless it snuck in as a very brief mention

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{08:24:02 pm} <nine> hey JohnGuru

{08:24:09 pm} <nine> sorry, kinda crazy here

{08:24:31 pm} <nine> i watched that Logical positivism video today

{08:24:35 pm} <nine> i didn’t understand any of it

{08:24:37 pm} <JohnGuru> oh yes?

{08:24:41 pm} <JohnGuru> oh no

{08:25:03 pm} <nine> well, i’m not that good at understanding a couple of brits saying all that stuff

{08:25:31 pm} <JohnGuru> damn. I wish I could help, but I have no idea what trips you up

{08:25:35 pm} <nine> can you nut-shell it for me?

{08:25:55 pm} <nine> i mean, he seemed to be talking about some book he wrote and how the world took it

{08:25:58 pm} <nine> i got that i guess

{08:25:59 pm} <nine> a little

{08:26:04 pm} <JohnGuru> logical positivism started as a movement to clean up philosophy

{08:26:15 pm} <nine> i understood already that they want everything to be proven

{08:26:22 pm} <nine> like… scientifically, i guess

{08:26:23 pm} <JohnGuru> that’s right

{08:26:34 pm} <JohnGuru> nothing should be held to be true unless it could be demonstrated

{08:27:08 pm} <JohnGuru> if I wanted to assert that that woman (pointing) and I are married, there should be a way to demonstrte that it must be true

{08:27:22 pm} <nine> a piece of paper maybe

{08:27:27 pm} <JohnGuru> obviously, holding up a marriage certificate would not do it, because that’s a claim by authority

{08:27:32 pm} <nine> does that really prove anything? right

{08:28:05 pm} <nine> i dunno what it even means to “be married” anymore

{08:28:14 pm} <nine> something legal

{08:28:25 pm} <nine> something that can affect reality by rule of law

{08:28:38 pm} <JohnGuru> on the other hand, the act of marriage does not make any changes in the body, so there’s no way to determine marriage by physical inspection

{08:29:05 pm} <JohnGuru> thus, logical positivists would determine that marriage is a meaningless concept, and they would root it out of our discourse

{08:29:15 pm} <kblom> positivism is like the meaning of a proposition is its method of verification

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{08:30:10 pm} <JohnGuru> *nods*

{08:30:47 pm} <JohnGuru> nine, that’s an example of the main reason why logical positivism failed. It sounded good in principle, but it ws like falling on your sword to cute a head cold

{08:30:49 pm} <JohnGuru> cure

{08:31:07 pm} <nine> heh

{08:31:15 pm} <JohnGuru> it nullified too much of the world we live in

{08:31:15 pm} <kblom> john russell and wittgenstein were both great logical posivists

{08:31:20 pm} <nine> yeah, even the guy didn’t seem to have much faith in it

{08:31:23 pm} <nine> the interviewee

{08:31:29 pm} <JohnGuru> right

{08:31:52 pm} <Ragtime^> That was a great speech.

{08:32:00 pm} <JohnGuru> kblom, I know everybody says wittgenstein was a positivist, but I don’t agree. I don’t think he was. He had a strong mystical streak in him

{08:32:00 pm} <nine> grr

{08:32:01 pm} <nine> brb

{08:33:01 pm} <JohnGuru> he was eminently capable of describing the world as a logical positivist would see it, and that’s mostly what he did in the Tractatus, but he also broke with it in that same writing

{08:33:17 pm} <JohnGuru> for example,

{08:33:20 pm} <JohnGuru> “6.41 The sense of the world must lie outside the world. In the world everything is as it is, and everything happens as it does happen: in it no value exists–and if it did exist, it would have no value.” — Tractatus

{08:34:05 pm} <JohnGuru> so you might ask how Wittgenstein thought value entered the question, if it’s not “in” the world

{08:34:57 pm} <JohnGuru> and there’s also

{08:35:00 pm} <JohnGuru> “6.372 Thus people today stop at the laws of nature, treating them as something inviolable, just as God and Fate were treated in past ages. And in fact both are right and both wrong: though the view of the ancients is clearer in so far as they have a clear and acknowledged terminus, while the modern system tries to make it look as if everything were explained.” — Wittgenstein, Tractatus

{08:35:49 pm} <JohnGuru> “5.43 Even at first sight it seems scarcely credible that there should follow from one fact p infinitely many others , namely ~~p, ~~~~p, etc. And it is no less remarkable that the infinite number of propositions of logic (mathematics) follow from half a dozen ‘primitive propositions’. But in fact all the propositions of logic say the same thing, to wit nothing.” — Tractatus

{08:36:01 pm} <JohnGuru> dismisses mathematics with one wave of the hand

{08:36:49 pm} <JohnGuru> okay, sorry. wb MartyMcFly

{08:36:51 pm} <nine> i don’t understand that last statement

{08:37:10 pm} <JohnGuru> nine, ~ is a symbol meaning ‘not’

{08:37:25 pm} <JohnGuru> so you have p, and not not p, and not not not not p

{08:37:34 pm} <nine> pppp

{08:37:42 pm} <JohnGuru> *nods*

{08:38:57 pm} <nine> i dunno if i like philosophy anymore

{08:39:16 pm} <nine> is there any of it that makes sense?

{08:39:45 pm} <JohnGuru> well, it all makes sense to me

{08:40:04 pm} <Ragtime^> nine: If you start with Plato, it makes sense.

{08:40:08 pm} <JohnGuru> there’s a lot I disagree with ..

{08:40:17 pm} <nine> i should probably just stick to what’s in front of me.

{08:40:32 pm} <nine> ooh is val

{08:40:36 pm} <nine> no, he’s not here

{08:40:54 pm} <JohnGuru> valet_zwiiii?

{08:41:16 pm} <nine> btw my first novel is available in paperback format on Barnes-n-Noble’s website

{08:41:18 pm} <JohnGuru> haven’t seen him in a couple of days

{08:41:25 pm} <nine> ahh

{08:41:26 pm} <nine> ok

{08:41:40 pm} <JohnGuru> okay, thanks nine. I’ll check it out

{08:41:54 pm} <JohnGuru> is it available for kindle?

{08:42:06 pm} <nine> ya, let me get the link

{08:42:55 pm} <lakitu> & a new, baby-bird romance is itself a deep topic.

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> Get Plunk now!

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> e-book

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> https://books2read.com/u/b5kEAp

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> paperback

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/plunc-domnul-tesh/1138706487?ean=9781735820224

{08:43:36 pm} <lakitu> for a new mother & child, it is a the mother’s most special time; all care & coddling is lavished on her bundle of Holy Beauty & all-consuming Lovability;

{08:43:37 pm} <zhan> Available now at your favorite digital store!

{08:43:38 pm} <zhan> Plunc|Paperback

{08:43:45 pm} <nine> oops i coppied too much

{08:43:48 pm} <JohnGuru> thanks nine

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{08:44:02 pm} <nine> :)

{08:44:10 pm} <nine> valet wants to read it

{08:45:32 pm} <JohnGuru> who is Domnul Tesh?

{08:46:18 pm} <nine> Domnul means “mister” in romanian

{08:46:25 pm} <nine> TESH is my initials

{08:46:27 pm} <JohnGuru> oh!

{08:46:37 pm} <nine> i was in love with a romanian for a long time

{08:46:42 pm} <JohnGuru> that’s clever, so you have a nom de plum without revealing your name

{08:46:50 pm} <nine> hehe

{08:46:52 pm} <nine> yeah

{08:46:52 pm} <kblom> never heard of Domnul Tesh

{08:46:57 pm} <nine> HE is ME

{08:47:14 pm} <nine> i was so disappointed to find that I was not the only Tesh out there

{08:47:24 pm} <nine> there are a couple of women with that name, and one man.

{08:47:28 pm} <nine> (so far)+

{08:48:27 pm} <JohnGuru> I’ll see if we can keep it simple, nine

{08:48:45 pm} <nine> keep what simple?

{08:48:47 pm} <JohnGuru> there’s no need to push here into professional philo

{08:48:57 pm} <nine> huh?

{08:49:08 pm} <JohnGuru> well, you said you don’t like philosophy

{08:49:18 pm} <nine> well, i wouldn’t go that far

{08:49:27 pm} <nine> i loved the stuff about kant’s glasses

{08:49:31 pm} <nine> and a lot of other things here

{08:49:48 pm} <nine> i probably was exaggerating earlier

{08:49:54 pm} <JohnGuru> good :)

{08:50:05 pm} <nine> :D

{08:50:29 pm} <JohnGuru> I’ve been glad that there’s at least one channel regular who likes phiosophy

{08:50:38 pm} <nine> hah

{08:50:42 pm} <nine> i think there’s more than one

{08:50:49 pm} <nine> there’re?

{08:51:23 pm} <JohnGuru> well, I know kblom likes science

{08:51:41 pm} <nine> science suxors

{08:51:44 pm} <nine> heheh

{08:52:11 pm} <nine> ok, i’ll stop trolling now

{08:52:14 pm} <JohnGuru> I respect science, but it’s a very shallow subject

{08:52:20 pm} <nine> oh?

{08:52:38 pm} <nine> i mean, i think so, too, but probably for different reasons

{08:53:03 pm} <JohnGuru> it only goes skin deep. It attends to the visible, the demonstrable. Like we were saying about logical positivism, it tries to eliminate everything else

{08:53:31 pm} <nine> Mmm

{08:53:51 pm} <JohnGuru> Richard Rorty realized that science doesn’t necessarily exclude mysticism. He had a great lecture on youtube about the compatibility between religion and science

{08:54:48 pm} <nine> sounds like that dude and that other dude who are always arguing arguing.

{08:54:58 pm} <JohnGuru> yeah

{08:55:01 pm} <nine> i hate that my memory is so bad

{08:55:05 pm} <nine> you know who i mean?

{08:55:08 pm} <JohnGuru> mw roo

{08:55:10 pm} <JohnGuru> me too

{08:55:12 pm} <JohnGuru> no

{08:55:22 pm} <nine> imma find it

{09:00:36 pm} <JohnGuru> Dawkins?

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> brb

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> no

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> one’s kinda religious

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> the other not

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> I think I know who you mean

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> Christopher Hitchins and Ben somebody

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> they’re always arguing on youtube

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> nah… i’m still looking

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> one starts with a J

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> the other is religious

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> I’ve forgotten his name. He irritates the spit outa me, though

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> jordan peterson

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> and the other guy is religious

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> oh him

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> jordan peterson is interesting on religious topics but otherwise useless

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> i liked his assessment of how monkeys became men

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> or something

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> i should shut pu

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> up

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> oh yeah?

{09:00:37 pm} <kblom> every Ted Talks I heard on NPR was utterly devoid of content

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> lol nine

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> kblom, I gave up on TED talks long time ago

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> my time is up

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> gnight all

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> g’nite john

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> hey, you doing alright?

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{09:00:37 pm} <nine> guess so

{09:00:40 pm} <nine> hehe

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{09:00:55 pm} <kblom> bye john

{09:05:16 pm} <lakitu> for an enthusiastic romancer of a new courtship, there is nothing greater. all ships revolve around this locus; all roads lead to romance. he is in a state of having just struck gold – counseled by all his strengthy tendencies to be guarded – but sapping a rapturous syrup deeprooted within him, & ‘like an archer called to the games, a performance artist looking to land his every assail, to slay the goliath beast of her ignorance of him,

{09:05:16 pm} <lakitu> of the battlefield’s rumors against him, of his weaknesses for which he must compensate in her eyes. his conduct must be perfect, & uglinesses pain acutely at this time. he takes his pouches of risk & reward, balancing them for his best showmanship. she is ‘like an infant – & just ‘like a child not always the willingest – in his constant tending to her every desire – gathering the special woods for the special fires she, often enough

{09:05:16 pm} <lakitu> unspokenly, has interest in having for herself. riches require entrepreneurial research, nearly vain displays of demonstrating his compact with her, the realness of his word, the fervence of his foundry for her. power must flow thru the veins of – in challenges even encroaching on his sovereignty, his manhood. decorum, sobriety, elegance are like kings in your two’s class, making in her eyes a probably neverending ascent of the ladder of

{09:05:16 pm} <lakitu> society into higher-society. her tamping of the dream of fame she could eat the fruit of is a bittersweet thing to procure – he is not alone in her fame, but she is Beautiful, attractive, the most graceful to him, & if he has high enough hopes, he may alight her imagination with the potential of fame being bestowed on her.

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{09:06:30 pm} <valet_zwiiii> hya

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{09:08:07 pm} <lakitu> we get too many trolls.

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{09:11:07 pm} <lakitu> {“manhood” corrected to “manliness”:} for an enthusiastic romancer of a new courtship, there is nothing greater. all ships revolve around this locus; all roads lead to romance. he is in a state of having just struck gold – counseled by all his strengthy tendencies to be guarded – but sapping a rapturous syrup deeprooted within him, & ‘like an archer called to the games, a performance artist looking to land his every assail, to slay the

{09:11:07 pm} <lakitu> goliath beast of her ignorance of him, of the battlefield’s rumors against him, of his weaknesses for which he must compensate in her eyes. his conduct must be perfect, & uglinesses pain acutely at this time. he takes his pouches of risk & reward, balancing them for his best showmanship. she is ‘like an infant – & just ‘like a child not always the willingest – in his constant tending to her every desire – gathering the special woods for

{09:11:07 pm} <lakitu> the special fires she, often enough unspokenly, has interest in having for herself. riches require entrepreneurial research, nearly vain displays of demonstrating his compact with her, the realness of his word, the fervence of his foundry for her. power must flow thru the veins of – in challenges even encroaching on his sovereignty, his manliness. decorum, sobriety, elegance are like kings in your two’s class, making in her eyes a

{09:11:07 pm} <lakitu> probably neverending ascent of the ladder of society into higher-society. her tamping of the dream of fame she could eat the fruit of is a bittersweet thing to procure – he is not alone in her fame, but she is Beautiful, attractive, the most graceful to him, & if he has high enough hopes, he may alight her imagination with the potential of fame being bestowed on her.

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{09:19:39 pm} <Fixion> hey all, just thought I’d drop in and say hi anyway, since I’m clearly too late for the usual JG fiasco :)

{09:19:48 pm} <LionClan> hi Fixion

{09:19:58 pm} <Fixion> (note I was kidding about the whole fiasco thing)

{09:19:59 pm} <LionClan> Just missed him

{09:20:24 pm} <Fixion> so how’s things?

{09:20:52 pm} <Fixion> Valet of course not its IRC how would I see you?

{09:20:53 pm} <LionClan> hi zwiiii

{09:21:18 pm} <LionClan> Don’t let anyone make you give up metaphors

{09:22:08 pm} <Fixion> LC I find it can be enjoyable taking them literally instead at times

{09:22:44 pm} <LionClan> Speak literally when you are talking to someone that has a different native language.

{09:23:02 pm} <LionClan> That works very well.

{09:23:40 pm} <LionClan> Then you are fluent in English

{09:24:33 pm} <LionClan> The statement was meant to be provocative

{09:25:45 pm} <LionClan> Flemish Knights moved to Scotland and became Barons

{09:25:46 pm} <Fixion> the ground when you’re doing a handstand? (although scientifically speaking thats technically untrue given that up is relative to a centrifugal (or was it centripetal?) force…

{09:26:38 pm} <Fixion> Flemish? it sounds like perhaps you need to clear your throat?

{09:27:56 pm} <LionClan> Eggs butter milk cheese are good English, and good friese.

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{09:29:56 pm} <Fixion> the only thing I remember about dutch is its kinda similar in some ways to German but definitely opposite with its V’s and W’s… Germans have VolksVagons and Dutch have WolksWagons… or something like that..

{09:29:58 pm} <lakitu> & I myself, in telling this, did not avoid being a man: he & I both think of the big wins – she is looking for signs of a steady spigot more than a huge power-generating waterfall for her longer-term interest– there is an old joke about sex: men are firefighters & women are lawyers– but of course this can be quite the joy in a woman’s life, a man’s lavishing her with attention, eager & almost overeager to perform for her cravings,

{09:29:58 pm} <lakitu> desires, interests, even piqued curiosities – & this leads to one of the center rubies of my book, this dialogue will feature in: to answer the call of Love, which is this: to drink deep of the fountain of youth of immortal courting, & never leave that heaven of your Love.

Here’s a public birth of an immersive-testing school concept that had been developing in me for quite a number of years – the first part is more social ambience where the 2nd & 3rd parts get into the real childbirthing:

Without further ado: this is me, Joe Valentyn – “<lakitu>” – in a philosophy forum working thru my idea for edification, not education, thru “immersive testing” in schools:

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{12:57:25 pm} <lauraaah> I’m so fed up with covid

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{13:34:11 pm} <fattratt_> Ok, we can talk about Murphy’s law and Betteridge’s law in the abstract.

{13:35:35 pm} <fattratt_> Betteridge’s law: “Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.”

{13:36:14 pm} <fattratt_> Murphy’s law: “Anything that can go wrong will go wrong”

{13:39:34 pm} <fattratt_> I’m not fed up with covid. Indeed I am still rather covid-obsessed.

{13:46:09 pm} <lakitu> hey lauraaah. recognize you from the other week ☺ welcome.

{13:46:15 pm} <lakitu> hey fattratt

{13:46:24 pm} * lakitu just has a little time to chat

{13:48:19 pm} <lakitu> (mm, new-coffeemaker coffee.)

{13:49:13 pm} <lauraaah> Hi :)

{13:50:17 pm} <lakitu> =D

{13:50:33 pm} <lakitu> great to have a new chatter around here (who isn’t a troll!)

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{13:50:53 pm} <fattratt_> I like to discuss covid while eating kale salad.

{13:51:07 pm} <lakitu> so, welcome.

{13:51:33 pm} <lakitu> (aw yeah! my coffeemaker counts as a espressomaker. ex coffeehouse patron/worker here)

{13:51:58 pm} <lakitu> (acquired the taste for espresso, & the ‘like. =D)

{13:52:48 pm} <lauraaah> I don’t like coffee

{13:52:50 pm} <lauraaah> Or tea

{13:53:01 pm} <lakitu> really?

{13:53:10 pm} <lakitu> are you straight-edge?!

{13:53:17 pm} <lakitu> – or is that too personal?

{13:53:28 pm} <lakitu> maybe that’s too personal…

{13:54:51 pm} <lakitu> I was having no psychoactives except for chocolate – but solidarity with people led me to pick up coffee again.

{13:56:07 pm} <lauraaah> I just don’t like the taste

{13:56:11 pm} <lakitu> ah.

{13:56:40 pm} <lakitu> works for me.

{13:56:59 pm} <lakitu> (your not liking their taste.)

{13:57:16 pm} <lauraaah> I like the smell of coffee tho

{13:57:48 pm} <lakitu> for me who does, this Moka pot makes very tasty espresso/coffee.

{13:59:25 pm} <LionClan> I set up a coffee house in Broad Ripple, it was quite an experience

{13:59:44 pm} <lakitu> yeah – you said that. Turtle something?

{14:00:47 pm} <LionClan> Turtle Island from a book of poems by Gary Snyder

{14:02:14 pm} <LionClan> Across the street from Karma Records, best record shop from the age of vinyl.

{14:02:16 pm} <lakitu> I remembered the name.

{14:02:44 pm} <ControlFreq> Hello Friends!

{14:02:56 pm} <LionClan> CF

{14:02:59 pm} <lakitu> hey Freq

{14:03:01 pm} <ControlFreq> Hello LionClan!

{14:03:05 pm} <ControlFreq> Hello lakitu!

{14:03:09 pm} <lakitu> a popular record store around here just closed.

{14:03:57 pm} * fattratt_ sips beeer

{14:04:26 pm} <lakitu> a few of my friends work at record stores. they tell me e.g. Record Store Day is coming up – in a week I think

{14:04:34 pm} <lakitu> a little less

{14:04:38 pm} <lakitu> I think it’s the 12th.

{14:04:49 pm} <LionClan> When we were running Radio Free Naptown, Karma would send us a crate of Records every week, if we’d just tell them what we like

{14:05:17 pm} <lakitu> in/near Indianapolis– right?

{14:06:10 pm} <LionClan> Are commune included several electrical engineers, more brains than your average underground radio

{14:06:47 pm} <LionClan> do you remember Nixon

{14:07:44 pm} <LionClan> When he was around anti-war messages were banned from the radio, and the FBI track down anti-war and anti-draft protesters

{14:08:59 pm} <LionClan> The same Authority they used to do that, is still being used to infiltrate protests.

{14:09:18 pm} <LionClan> So I’m not sure anything is changed

{14:10:45 pm} <LionClan> In radio, the talent and the salesmen go to completely different parties.

{14:11:00 pm} <LionClan> We’re not the same species, or some such

{14:11:34 pm} <lakitu> I’m more interested in well-roundedness, than just bRAINz these days. ‘like I was saying about schools not evaluating you for people skills, & creativity, vs. math/reading/etc.

{14:12:58 pm} <lakitu> I’m abstaining from politics LionClan. you’re free to discuss your political ideas obviously, but I’m just not party.

{14:13:41 pm} <LionClan> You asked, if you want shorter stories just say so

{14:14:01 pm} <lakitu> ha

{14:14:47 pm} <lakitu> I asked if “Radio Free Naptown” was in/near Indianapolis.

{14:15:17 pm} <LionClan> Where is Radio free naptown was a popular question for a while

{14:15:41 pm} <LionClan> Is very hard to tell, like impossible, because we are clever

{14:16:04 pm} <LionClan> Their best estimate, was in a tall building downtown

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{14:16:55 pm} <LionClan> We weren’t broadcasting FM, we were broadcasting shortwave.

{14:17:33 pm} <LionClan> The repeater picked up the short wave and rebroadcast it FM. From a tall building downtown.

{14:19:00 pm} <LionClan> Our intent was broadcasting to the Northern third of the townships in Indianapolis, and the many wealthy people north of there

{14:21:04 pm} <lakitu> & you were a DJ on this, you’ve told us.

{14:21:21 pm} <LionClan> We sampled coffee beans from all over the world, concluded everyone had tropical Mountain grown Arabica on their top five list

{14:21:48 pm} <LionClan> There were several DJs, some of them are still working as DJs

{14:23:23 pm} <LionClan> We had a similar sampler of hashes from all over the world, and each of them has their charms.

{14:23:28 pm} <lakitu> IRC– Undernet– is a little similar to a pirate radio station

{14:23:46 pm} <lakitu> altho it’s legal

{14:23:51 pm} <lakitu> IRC – Undernet.

{14:24:04 pm} <lakitu> but public communications.

{14:24:21 pm} <lakitu> of course this is DJing of the fittest

{14:25:01 pm} <lakitu> orate well & people will (hopefully) tune in.

{14:25:33 pm} <lakitu> except that IRC has been decimated, not least after what happened to the last major network.

{14:26:18 pm} <lauraaah> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/E5CImyxK/bitmoji-20180504091451.png

{14:26:38 pm} <lakitu> ok…

{14:27:42 pm} <LionClan> The Ku Klux Klan took power in American politics in the 1920s and held on to it for 40 years

{14:27:52 pm} <lakitu> nice having you here.

{14:28:52 pm} <lauraaah> Slightly early for bed. I want some chicken chicken mein first

{14:31:44 pm} <lakitu> me, I’m putting down my first espresso shots & going to try to choreograph a whole day, here.

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{14:32:47 pm} <lakitu> but not literally choreograph =D since we just met I’ll make it clear haha

{14:33:06 pm} <LionClan> Rancilio, the Italian cappuccino maker made espresso so fast it was already brewed before the oils got moving

{14:33:32 pm} <guerro> hi LionClan

{14:34:10 pm} <LionClan> No oils meant no acid, so we drink it chilled by the quart

{14:34:21 pm} <LionClan> hi g

{14:35:28 pm} <lakitu> I hung out with some coffee enthusiasts – coffeeshop owners, burr grinder designers, on #freenode, & they recommended a Gaggia brand machine for home espresso, if you’re serious enough about it

{14:36:49 pm} <lakitu> burr-grinder designers.

{14:36:56 pm} <lakitu> (*)

{14:39:07 pm} <lakitu> they said the grinder was more important, surprisingly.

{14:39:17 pm} <lakitu> getting at least a burr grinder…

{14:39:36 pm} <lakitu> freenode*

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{14:43:24 pm} <LionClan> It should be finely ground yes

{14:45:31 pm} <lakitu> but for example, you could write symphonies in school, & still get all F’s. or be the people’s choice for most personable dudette in your school, & not have your report card needle even move at all

{14:45:49 pm} <lakitu> for scoring, overall

{14:47:08 pm} <lakitu> you could defend against bullies for special needs kids, the disadvantaged – you might even be WORSE OFF report-card -wise.

{14:48:36 pm} * lakitu was going to school to be a teacher, but dropped out of college for it…

{14:50:20 pm} <lakitu> might be a Love genius, they could give you straight C’s. that’s four examples

{14:54:16 pm} <lakitu> & on that – say you had a “goodness” / being ethical / being moral / etc score: Conscientiousness’s spiritual battle is more like physical education in that you have to actually perform these pull-ups, push-ups, etc – you can’t just tick a box that says “I know to do 10.”

{14:55:28 pm} <lakitu> you have to perform at being good rather than just in a made up example be able to navigate to the right answer. it takes courage to resist bad influence, etc….

{14:59:18 pm} <lakitu> like the differencce between ticking a box that says “Write beautiful music.” & writing beautiful music. it takes more than just knowing to do it. actually doing it requires gifts & techniques beyond average ability levels.

{14:59:29 pm} <lakitu> beyond the average level of abilities.

{14:59:58 pm} <lakitu> ‘like the difference.*

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{15:05:54 pm} <lakitu> this is a little b****y of me to recommend, but imagine a school that had drills, except you didn’t know they were drills: e.g. someone has broke in; war has broke out; there was a chemical spill nearby – etc – again, pushing beyond the boundaries here, but: imagine that even teachers weren’t told yet whether it was real or not, & they had a emerge

{15:05:54 pm} <lakitu> ncy discussion with their class – the brave would be separated from the unbrave, the just from the unjust, etc –

{15:06:42 pm} <lakitu> & that could tell us– we’d tell them we were testing them afterward– who is really made of mettle.

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{15:16:52 pm} <LionClan> When I was growing up they had nuclear attack drills

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{15:17:09 pm} <lakitu> right – but did you know it was a drill, LionClan?

{15:18:01 pm} <LionClan> Incentive courses to put the idea into your head, you imagined nuclear war whether you thought this was it or not

{15:18:12 pm} <lakitu> ok, so they told you it was real.

{15:18:33 pm} <lakitu> ‘We’re having a fire drill today, I think at 2:45.’

{15:18:41 pm} <LionClan> Well you know very well they were telling us the threat was real

{15:18:42 pm} <lakitu> those are standard now.

{15:18:46 pm} <lakitu> haha

{15:18:58 pm} <lakitu> – haha

{15:19:26 pm} <LionClan> The modern version of that is the box cutter Arabs are going to get you, we’re supposed to believe that’s a threat

{15:20:16 pm} <ControlFreq> The biggest threat to the national security of the United States flies under the Confederate battle flag.

{15:21:05 pm} <LionClan> 1925 the Ku Klux Klan March from the capitol to the White House with hundreds of Confederate battle Flags

{15:21:29 pm} <lakitu> I’m talking about drills where you don’t reveal they’re real or not – a test, a…

{15:22:13 pm} <lakitu> an immersive test.

{15:22:23 pm} <lakitu> an immersion.

{15:22:32 pm} <lakitu> or immersive test.

{15:22:33 pm} <LionClan> The Confederate Battle Flag is a symbol of the Ku Klux Klan oh, not a symbol of the Confederacy

{15:23:18 pm} <LionClan> In the Confederacy the Battle Flag was used as a shroud for Fallen Soldiers

{15:24:21 pm} <ControlFreq> I do not see it as a racist symbol. I see it as a symbol of traitorous, treasonous bastards who rose up in arms against the lawful government of the United States. I took an oath to protect that government, and I do not like those who embrace its symbol.

{15:24:28 pm} <LionClan> If you’re wavering one of those around you’re supporting the Klan, which are murderous conspirators

{15:25:44 pm} <ControlFreq> When did the state legislatures in the South start flying the Confederate battle flag from thier state capitols?

{15:27:25 pm} * lakitu is resting his political loins; you do what you should.

{15:27:32 pm} <lakitu> –politically.

{15:27:44 pm} <LionClan> Let’s focus on the history of the Confederate Battle Flag in Washington DC. Confederate States of America never waved a Confederate Battle Flag in Washington DC, the Ku Klux Klan has waved thousands of Confederate battle Flags in Washington DC

{15:28:24 pm} <LionClan> In Washington DC, the Confederate Battle Flag is a symbol of the Ku Klux Klan.

{15:29:02 pm} <ControlFreq> The Confederate battle flag became a symbol of White supremacy on June 2, 1964. About a half dozen state legislatures hoist that from from their capitols the day LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act

{15:29:48 pm} <LionClan> The Ku Klux Klan marched hundreds of Confederate battle Flags down Pennsylvania Avenue from the capitol to the White House in 1925

{15:30:57 pm} <LionClan> You cannot distance the Confederate Battle Flag from racism in Washington DC that’s not possible.

{15:31:38 pm} <lakitu> to continue: gradually students would realize they are already immersed in several live, real-world crises that are just farther away, slow-drip leaked thru the media, or otherwise outside of their field of experience, that they could take up the causes of & try to battle in the name of.

{15:32:02 pm} <ControlFreq> I assign both values of the one symbol to anyone who embraces it. Treason and racism

{15:32:20 pm} <LionClan> Yes

{15:32:31 pm} <lakitu> yes to who LionClan?

{15:33:17 pm} <LionClan> That’s meta

{15:33:31 pm} <lakitu> ha

{15:33:40 pm} <lakitu> I take it you’re repsonding to Freq

{15:34:19 pm} <lakitu> – e.g. human trafficking

{15:36:21 pm} <ControlFreq> I think human trafficking is to broad a brush. There needs to be daylight between people who spend their life savings and beg to be smuggled somewhere and people who are kidnapped and transported for labor or sexual slavery.

{15:36:43 pm} <lakitu> sex slavery.

{15:36:49 pm} <lakitu> e.g..

{15:37:24 pm} <lakitu> is what I was going to continue with.

{15:37:32 pm} <ControlFreq> Please do

{15:37:40 pm} <lakitu> ((thanks.))

{15:45:13 pm} <lakitu> there are abducted women, teen girls, around, even in your state, who must have brave, just men & women taking up arms & technologies to free them – risking ourselves for investigations, for searches, even in firefights – to free them from their living nightmare they can’t escape, alone, or haven’t been able to yet – yet we’re shrouded from this re

{15:45:13 pm} <lakitu> ality; this immersive testing would be like smelling salts to awaken us to the fact that our tranquil peace can be upended by emergency – & there are people at most any given time suffering from one such emergency or another.

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{15:45:51 pm} <lakitu> people who could use our help, directly or indirectly.

{15:46:09 pm} <lakitu> but in a very real, not-just-text-in-a-Twitter.com-post way.

{15:46:41 pm} <lakitu> “BIO 302’s been shot!” that is not something you easily forget

{15:46:57 pm} <lakitu> depending on where you take the potential scenarios there.

{15:53:55 pm} <lakitu> as a limiting threshold, there is only so vigilant we ought to be in this Life; but I think it would be good to have a public dialogue on how vigilant we should be re the problems the world collectively – as communities – as groups, as families – as individuals – wrangle with at any one time. it is important to hear from people who have suffered, w

{15:53:55 pm} <lakitu> ho are suffering, to have a full circumspect perspective, for this.

{15:57:31 pm} <ControlFreq> lakitu…the solution is not for the hoi polloi to arm themselves and lead a rescue. The solution is to coordinate with law enforcement and find out what we can do to make a difference.

{15:58:02 pm} <ControlFreq> The idea of vigilante justice grants that same authority to anyone else who believes they have a righteous cause. C.f. January 6

{15:58:10 pm} <lakitu> well that’s what I was expressing above – to join forcces to– no

{15:58:27 pm} <lakitu> I was not advocating that. I was saying to work e.g. with law enforcement,

{15:58:37 pm} <lakitu> to rescue sex slaves.

{15:58:53 pm} <lakitu> to rescue these people.

{15:59:06 pm} <lakitu> applying for a job, etc.

{15:59:22 pm} <ControlFreq> Please distinguish this statement from advocacy of vigilante justice:

{15:59:25 pm} <ControlFreq> brave, just men & women taking up arms & technologies to free them

{15:59:36 pm} <lakitu> there was a context to that

{15:59:42 pm} <lakitu> a very large context

{16:00:03 pm} <lakitu> that’s a sentence fragment

{16:00:57 pm} <ControlFreq> It’s inflamatory

{16:01:24 pm} <lakitu> you actually are countering the countering of this, now – I was thinking of the Federal Bureau of Investigations as I wrote that

{16:01:33 pm} <lakitu> the Central Intelligence Agency

{16:01:49 pm} <ControlFreq> CIA cannot engage in domestic law enforcement

{16:01:51 pm} <lakitu> & you are now calling joining the F.B.I. to rescue e.g. sex slaves “inflammatory”

{16:01:57 pm} <lakitu> I didn’t say domestic

{16:02:16 pm} <lakitu> I am not snared in that technicality

{16:02:37 pm} <lakitu> Interpol.

{16:02:57 pm} <ControlFreq> lakitu…you frequently fall into the trap of using words that codify a clear, well-formed thought, but the words you choose convey a totally different inference in the listner’s mind.

{16:03:37 pm} <lakitu> I guess you have complaints about the above, first?

{16:04:27 pm} <ControlFreq> If you trying to recruit law enforcement, that’s great. I am a skilled critical reader and that was not in the same ZIP code as the impression I formed in my mind.

{16:04:49 pm} <lakitu> mm. how’d you score in your reading skills in school?

{16:06:08 pm} <ControlFreq> I did not attend kindergarten. In the first weeks of first grade, I was evaluated as a third grade reader. Both my parents were teachers (Mom, elementary; Dad, jr high and high school.) My Dad was trained by Jesuits.

{16:06:17 pm} <lakitu> for anyone else who thought I’m taking special measures in schools to sensitize kids to e.g. human trafficking, to put them into a pipeline to primitive vigilantism / vigalante justice,

{16:07:14 pm} <lakitu> ok. in elementary school I was appraised as being a 14th-grade level reader / overall comprehension student

{16:08:31 pm} <lakitu> — I of course would be thinking of our best methods to rescue abducted teenage girls, especially when I’m talking about educational formalization of this kind of training.

{16:08:44 pm} <lakitu> especially when I’m talking about educational formalization like this.

{16:08:48 pm} <lakitu> (‘like this.)

{16:09:30 pm} <lakitu> (–I of course.*)

{16:10:00 pm} <lakitu> overall-comprehension.*

{16:10:34 pm} <lakitu> to inspire them to join the F.B.I., et al, ControlFreq.

{16:10:49 pm} <ControlFreq> That is a noble effort.

{16:10:54 pm} <lakitu> I’m sorry if there was a miscommunication otherwise.

{16:11:35 pm} <lakitu> I will also not limit how you can help

{16:12:51 pm} <lakitu> in that miscommunication, we cannot be reactionary & rule out printing up flyers, teaching classes, making websites, or any other helpful approaches that are outside of the F.B.I., say – or that work with, etc.

{16:14:27 pm} <lakitu> II will say here ‘that work with’.

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{16:19:58 pm} <lakitu> but in that statement I was meaning situation rooms of F.B.I. workers tracking down abduction victims’ holding places & making busts, etc

{16:21:04 pm} <lakitu> (the statement that sentence fragment is in.)

{16:21:15 pm} <ControlFreq> You do not want to work “outside the FBI.” You want to work in concert with federal, state and local law enforcement in ALL cases.

{16:21:27 pm} <lakitu> Freq: what am I doing now?

{16:21:43 pm} <lakitu> is the above idea generating bad?

{16:21:50 pm} <lakitu> – I do not think so. many do not, I bet.

{16:22:12 pm} <lakitu> if you teach a class on sex slavery in the world–

{16:22:35 pm} <lakitu> there are too many examples against to require me to give more.

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{16:24:45 pm} <lakitu> maybe you could criticize – in some scenario – the F.B.I. for not doing ENOUGH— again, in some scenario– in your class, conceivably; that is not an impossible combination of conditions.

{16:26:04 pm} <lakitu> it’s not a major point – you thought I– for whatever reason– was talking about something other than F.B.I., et al, arms & technologies, when I explained to you that is who I had in mind as I was writing that.

{16:30:56 pm} <lakitu> that was just a miscommunication between us.

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{16:34:40 pm} <lakitu> you could also do ‘immersive testing’ for slower moving disasters, ‘like say environmental pollution. you could create a pretext to tell them– say, anecdotally mention during a teaching module– that some local company (who’s maybe in on it) is dumping stuff in the river, we’re not sure what it is, but it shouldn’t be a problem. more money to make

{16:34:40 pm} <lakitu> more (textiles or whatever) anyway, right?

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{16:36:05 pm} <lakitu> “it should be fine.”

{16:36:35 pm} <lakitu> wb Sioux.

{16:37:33 pm} <lakitu> to someone who would say this is messing with their minds, it is to edify them, which is an even higher cause than education, I would say.

{16:37:57 pm} <lakitu> which is an even higher cause than to educate them.

{16:38:38 pm} <lakitu> of course, nothing in excess. Solon.

{16:38:58 pm} <LionClan> How many times do you suppose the FBI has been used to do dirty tricks for the president?

{16:39:19 pm} <lakitu> “dirty tricks” – wow.

{16:39:37 pm} <xControlFreq> Hoover used the FBI to wreck Kennedy

{16:39:38 pm} <LionClan> See I know about dirty tricks personally

{16:39:57 pm} <lakitu> Lion – I’m just saying that’s helluva topic.

{16:40:10 pm} <lakitu> that’s a helluva topic.

{16:40:59 pm} <lakitu> the sum subterfuge of the F.B.i. for the Presidential administrations.

{16:41:13 pm} <lakitu> or sum subterfuges.

{16:42:25 pm} <LionClan> The FBI infiltrates protests

{16:42:55 pm} <LionClan> The CIA infiltrates protests as well

{16:43:32 pm} <lakitu> F.B.I., I was writing.

{16:43:42 pm} <SiouxBricket> Apparently, China has infiltrated both the CIA and th FBI, so nobody talks to them anymore

{16:43:57 pm} <LionClan> FBI infiltrates when they want to prosecute protesters, the CIA infiltrates when they want to discredit protesters

{16:45:40 pm} <lakitu> I’m on leave from politics as a genre of culture, SiouxBricket; you are free to discuss it however best tho

{16:46:38 pm} <lakitu> as a field.

{16:47:30 pm} <LionClan> A popular theme Here is not not jokes

{16:48:01 pm} <SiouxBricket> And it seems that both California and Nevada have run out of water.

{16:50:11 pm} <LionClan> If you think the absence of a thing is a sort of thing then that would be a substantial conversation. If you aren’t that deluded you would see clearly that “not politics” is not a topic, and just as clearly that “not physics” is also not a topic, and people that suggest either have made no contribution at all.

{16:51:37 pm} <LionClan> California and Nevada have been mining water, pumping water out of the ground faster than it accumulates.

{16:51:39 pm} <lakitu> …re my thread: you could issue these semi-strength beguilements to them, once you had gotten down the proper training method to train teachers to use on students with: “I’m gonna have to report you.”, to a student saying he’s going to stand up to it, speak up against it – “Don’t make me dock your grades for insubordination.” etc

{16:52:16 pm} <lakitu> to challenge them

{16:52:26 pm} <lakitu> – test them.

{16:53:45 pm} <lakitu> see who’s willing to stick their neck out for someone, some people.

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{17:00:25 pm} <lakitu> SiouxBricket: http://texthost.joevalentyn.org/paste.php?id=38 immersion in real-world but fictional emergencies, disasters, etc, as tests for young men & women in schools’ dialogue

{17:00:27 pm} <zhan> Part of “Immersive-Testing” Formal-School Idea by Joe Valentyn (lakitu) –

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{17:01:04 pm} <lakitu> went on about it for the first time above

{17:01:18 pm} <lakitu> grabbed the scroll, if you want it

{17:12:13 pm} <lakitu> that was from a just a coupla minutes ago.

{17:18:15 pm} <lakitu> …you could even extend this further, to work settings: testing who would have the spiritual marrow to speak up.

{17:19:44 pm} <lakitu> could be used to see who was conscientiousness enough to get a promotion – with the increase in their authority, including their responsibility, accountability, maybe even culpability.

{17:20:25 pm} <lakitu> honeypots. etc.

{17:21:09 pm} <lakitu> –depending on how you felt about ‘sting operations’ that is – but there’s other ways you could do it short of full traps / setups.

{17:27:00 pm} <lakitu> …there is a conversation device used by, say, women, to (try, anyway, to) suss out men’s guilt – they joke about something she suspects the man of being guilty of – if he’s not guilty, it shouldn’t be much of a problem: he can joke back or otherwise aver his innocence, or if he is guilty, it can be a very economical litmus test. I would say *due

{17:27:00 pm} <lakitu> to the complexity of how a man can be smeared, etc*, this is not a certain test, but better women can probably come to terms with the plight or plights of men re where it would screw them up, & come to terms a lot / lots, such that in skilled enough hands, many women do put this joking/baiting test to good use.

{17:28:32 pm} <lakitu> women stay on top of men, in relationships largely, it seems. men have more bruteness, some might say have more bravery too– but this is where I am too close to an misandrist to propose my ideas as a model. I will just say that women stay on top of men, in relationships, it seems most often to me

{17:28:43 pm} <lakitu> (as a man– I say this as a man.)

{17:28:59 pm} <lakitu> men tend to be stupider, more brutish, clumsier

{17:29:15 pm} <lakitu> when it comes to social life, at the very least.

{17:29:16 pm} * ControlFreq hands lakitu a slightly narrower brush

{17:29:38 pm} * lakitu dots the “i” in social life with it.

{17:29:47 pm} * lakitu dots the “i” in “social life” with it.

{17:30:28 pm} <lakitu> when it comes to romance & social life, at the very least.*

{17:31:52 pm} <lakitu> & less conservative.

{17:32:06 pm} <lakitu> (in the philosophical sense of conservative.)

{17:32:20 pm} <lakitu> ((not (necessarily) political.))

{17:36:06 pm} <lakitu> I am too close to a misandrist.*

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To be honest, this idea was too fun, & I’d Love to come back to it soon – & I plan to do just that, designing more examples & strategems teachers could use to put students’ big hearts to the test with how “big” they truly are . . .

⸻ Joe Valentyn
Minnesota, U.S.A.
June the 7th, 2021

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More on this, from June the 8th (2021):

{11:41:37 am} <lakitu> new dialogue uppp: https://joevalentyn.org/press/2021/06/07/that-was-big-of-you-joe-valentyns-idea-for-student-immersion-in-real-world-emergency-testing-of-mettle-conscientiousness-in-classrooms/

{11:41:41 am} <zhan> “That Was Big Of You!!” ⸻ Joe Valentyn’s Idea For Student Immersion in Real-World Emergency Testing of Mettle & Conscientiousness In Classrooms ⸻ ♡, Joe Valentyn

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{13:39:59 pm} <fattratt_> https://youtu.be/K2SudsbW_2M

{13:39:59 pm} <zhan> Censorship of medical information and intellectual authoritarianism (Pierre Kory & Bret Weinstein) by DarkHorse Podcast Clips [16m36s – 7k views ? 1.3k ? 3 (99.77%) – 1h ago]

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{14:17:56 pm} <lakitu> probably the simplest example of my idea (in the dialogue I linked for you ladies & girls above) is to leave a wallet in the halls, or outside in front of the school, with enough money in it to make it somewhat tempting to keep & not return. even a twenty-dollar bill say in the halls, would work.

{14:24:33 pm} <lakitu> …a really good one would be to arrange some link, or something, where (I’m thinking in high school, or higher) ‘a very popular girl’s sexted picture’ has been acquired, except that it hasn’t–

{14:25:10 pm} <lakitu> & because it’s not with her permission,

{14:25:42 pm} <lakitu> it would be like a honeypot for this immersive mettle, conscientiousness testing I am proposing.

{14:27:36 pm} <lakitu> (mettle & conscientiousness immersion tests.)

{14:29:06 pm} <lakitu> you could reimagine it a few ways. e.g. there was a party, she got drunk, someone took a “hot!!”, violatory picture of her

{14:35:01 pm} <lakitu> (for anyone not familiar with “honeypots” – the espionage term: from Kaspersky.com: “One honeypot definition comes from the world of espionage, where Mata Hari-style spies who use a romantic relationship as a way to steal secrets are described as setting a ‘honey trap’ or ‘honeypot’. Often, an enemy spy is compromised by a honey trap and then forced to hand over everything he/she knows.

{14:35:01 pm} <lakitu> In computer security terms, a cyber honeypot works in a similar way, baiting a trap for hackers. It’s a sacrificial computer system that’s intended to attract cyberattacks, like a decoy. It mimics a target for hackers, and uses their intrusion attempts to gain information about cybercriminals and the way they are operating or to distract them from other targets.”)

{14:36:19 pm} <fattratt_> Old trick.

{14:36:25 pm} <lakitu> old trick.

{14:36:51 pm} <fattratt_> Biblical story of Judith I think.

{14:37:28 pm} <fattratt_> And Verdi’s Aida perhaps.

{14:37:40 pm} <fattratt_> But I forget the details of both of those stories.

{14:42:19 pm} <lakitu> I mentioned doing this at work, but definitely a parent or maybe daycare provider could use this for edification, too

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{14:47:16 pm} <fattratt_> shalom

{14:47:55 pm} <lakitu> (- I obviously am not saying this is the only way to edify us, it is just a rather b****y way whose experience of immersion could lead to high-level performance performance & testing, than say 1-3 lines on an exam sheet. like a sport can require more performance, in physical education. so would this, but in Life, in conscientiousness, in mettle, etc.)

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{14:51:29 pm} <lakitu> (* – I obviously am not saying this is the only way to edify us, it is just a rather b****y way whose experience of immersion could lead to high-level performance & testing, than say 1-3 lines on an exam sheet. like a sport can require more performance, in physical education. so would this, but in Life, in conscientiousness, in mettle, etc.)

{15:02:20 pm} <lakitu> You could confabulate a false rumor about a young female teacher that she had had some compromising sexual experience (or drug, or whatever), & see who spreads it before authoritatively announcing it was an act to see who would spread a false rumor

{15:07:10 pm} <lakitu> …to be honest, you could do such a thing with your faculty too – the same sort of thing.

{15:07:16 pm} <lakitu> re doing this as a business.

{15:08:53 pm} <lakitu> – ‘ see what the rumor becomes on the wrong end of the telephone game.

{15:11:58 pm} <lakitu> – “she had sex with two students & there’s pictures!” it could become– & again, you’d need to issue a longlasting authoritative capstone denial, maybe with some kind of documentation beforehand outlining that it’s just a rumor, we’re doing this to test you, etc., that students could check out after & see, oh, so & so knew about this beforehand, there was documenting that this was a honeypot beforehand, etc

{15:12:32 pm} <lakitu> you could even hire a special teacher maybe to do this

{15:12:45 pm} <fattratt_> good night & may your dog walk with you !!!!!

{15:12:50 pm} <lakitu> lol

{15:15:31 pm} <lakitu> like a double teacher, who acts like a new, naive, young, perhaps attractive enough female teacher, but who is trained to overcome such a rumor setup – in on it with faculty, & the ‘like.

{15:16:34 pm} <lakitu> nighty-night fattratt.

{15:17:08 pm} <lakitu> ‘like a double teacher*

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{15:33:33 pm} <lakitu> you could do like a 15-30 minute gymnasium presentation – “”Mrs. Fields” is actually Robin Addleson; we hired her specifically to conduct this setup where we confabulate a false, embarrassing, damaging rumor about her to see who spreads the rumor even tho’ they can’t’ve known it to be true” etc

{15:34:42 pm} <lakitu> ((“since it’s false”, etc))

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{15:36:00 pm} <lakitu> uh oh

{15:36:30 pm} <JohnGuru> hi lakitu

{15:36:46 pm} <JohnGuru> don’t worry I’m not here to spoil your day

{15:36:51 pm} <lakitu> I’ll move this to my room

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{15:37:10 pm} <lakitu> continued:

{15:39:53 pm} <lakitu> …you could even push the envelope & say email a junior-high’ teacher a bait email fake offering revealing photos of say a female student – perhaps personalize it to them – but have it *really be from the junior high administration or task force dedicated to this*

{15:42:08 pm} <lakitu> “Mr. Anderson!! I wanted to show YOU my new bikini shots!! take a quick peek…” – supposedly from a 14 year-old girl to her junior-high’ teacher – but really a sort of phishing test by the administration.

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[15:28:38] <lakitu> wb Sioux.

[15:28:44] <lakitu> {15:37:10 pm} <lakitu> continued:

[15:28:44] <lakitu> {15:39:53 pm} <lakitu> …you could even push the envelope & say email a junior-high’ teacher a bait email fake offering revealing photos of say a female student – perhaps personalize it to them – but have it really be from the junior high administration or task force dedicated to this

[15:28:44] <lakitu> {15:42:08 pm} <lakitu> “Mr. Anderson!! I wanted to show YOU my new bikini shots!! take a quick peek…” – supposedly from a 14 year-old girl to her junior-high’ teacher – but really a sort of phishing test by the administration.

[15:31:39] <lakitu> that as the subject of the email.

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[15:46:22] <lakitu> back –some young woman is private messaging me with an urge to Snapchat with me . . .

[15:46:49] <lakitu> she’s fairly pretty–

[15:47:47] <lakitu> anyway:

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[15:56:44] <lakitu> computer froze

[15:56:48] <lakitu> I was saying:

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[15:56:52] <lakitu> computer froze

[15:56:54] <lakitu> I was saying:

[16:00:57] <lakitu> these these mini-espionage subterfuges don’t even have to be about illegal things; you could set up more social happenstance kinds of things, like tell students a teacher had some misfortune, with less empathy it could be mocked, ridiculed, derided, etc; & see who comes over & provides her consolation, & the polar opposite, who scoffs about her suffering

[16:01:21] <lakitu> – her bad luck.

[16:03:49] <lakitu> …all a fiction to cleverly bait more misanthropic citizens of the student body.

[16:04:37] <sol> you planning to hack a school social conscious?

[16:04:42] <lakitu> haha

[16:04:56] <lakitu> –that is maybe the Sol way to say it.

[16:05:13] <sol> bait the school student body?

[16:05:47] <lakitu> did you catch yesterday’s dialogue?

[16:05:53] <sol> nopr

[16:05:55] <sol> nopr

[16:05:57] <lakitu> ah:

[16:06:01] <sol> er nope

[16:06:03] <sol> what was the summary?

[16:06:04] * lakitu reads typoese

[16:06:23] <lakitu> https://joevalentyn.org/press/2021/06/07/that-was-big-of-you-joe-valentyns-idea-for-student-immersion-in-real-world-emergency-testing-of-mettle-conscientiousness-in-classrooms/

[16:06:28] <zhan> “That Was Big Of You!!” ⸻ Joe Valentyn’s Idea For Student Immersion in Real-World Emergency Testing of Mettle & Conscientiousness In Classrooms ⸻ ♡, Joe Valentyn

[16:07:04] <lakitu> that was me trying to title this.

[16:07:13] <sol> that was the topic?

[16:09:20] <lakitu> {14:45:31 pm} <lakitu> but for example, you could write symphonies in school, & still get all F’s. or be the people’s choice for most personable dudette in your school, & not have your report card needle even move at all

[16:09:20] <lakitu> {14:45:49 pm} <lakitu> for scoring, overall

[16:09:20] <lakitu> {14:47:08 pm} <lakitu> you could defend against bullies for special needs kids, the disadvantaged – you might even be WORSE OFF report-card -wise.

[16:09:20] <lakitu> {14:48:36 pm} * lakitu was going to school to be a teacher, but dropped out of college for it…

[16:09:22] <lakitu> {14:50:20 pm} <lakitu> might be a Love genius, they could give you straight C’s. that’s four examples

[16:09:37] <lakitu> {14:54:16 pm} <lakitu> & on that – say you had a “goodness” / being ethical / being moral / etc score: Conscientiousness’s spiritual battle is more like physical education in that you have to actually perform these pull-ups, push-ups, etc – you can’t just tick a box that says “I know to do 10.”

[16:09:37] <lakitu> {14:55:28 pm} <lakitu> you have to perform at being good rather than just in a made up example be able to navigate to the right answer. it takes courage to resist bad influence, etc….

[16:09:40] <lakitu> {14:59:18 pm} <lakitu> like the differencce between ticking a box that says “Write beautiful music.” & writing beautiful music. it takes more than just knowing to do it. actually doing it requires gifts & techniques beyond average ability levels.

[16:09:44] <lakitu> {14:59:29 pm} <lakitu> beyond the average level of abilities.

[16:09:46] <lakitu> {14:59:58 pm} <lakitu> ‘like the difference.*

[16:10:03] <lakitu> especially this:

[16:10:03] <lakitu> {14:54:16 pm} <lakitu> & on that – say you had a “goodness” / being ethical / being moral / etc score: Conscientiousness’s spiritual battle is more like physical education in that you have to actually perform these pull-ups, push-ups, etc – you can’t just tick a box that says “I know to do 10.”

[16:10:03] <lakitu> {14:55:28 pm} <lakitu> you have to perform at being good rather than just in a made up example be able to navigate to the right answer. it takes courage to resist bad influence, etc….

[16:10:05] <lakitu> {14:59:18 pm} <lakitu> like the differencce between ticking a box that says “Write beautiful music.” & writing beautiful music. it takes more than just knowing to do it. actually doing it requires gifts & techniques beyond average ability levels.

[16:10:09] <lakitu> {14:59:29 pm} <lakitu> beyond the average level of abilities.

[16:10:11] <lakitu> {14:59:58 pm} <lakitu> ‘like the difference.*

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[16:10:15] <lakitu> {15:05:54 pm} <lakitu> this is a little b****y of me to recommend, but imagine a school that had drills, except you didn’t know they were drills: e.g. someone has broke in; war has broke out; there was a chemical spill nearby – etc – again, pushing beyond the boundaries here, but: imagine that even teachers weren’t told yet whether it was real or not, & they had a emerge

[16:10:22] <lakitu> {15:05:54 pm} <lakitu> ncy discussion with their class – the brave would be separated from the unbrave, the just from the unjust, etc –

[16:10:25] <lakitu> {15:06:42 pm} <lakitu> & that could tell us– we’d tell them we were testing them afterward– who is really made of mettle.

[16:13:40] <lakitu> (* ‘like tell students.)

[16:17:16] <lakitu> it would be pretty hilarious faking e.g. a graffiti rondezvous that only the guilty party shows up to, armed with spray paint cans, after school out back. just him & the security, etc.

[16:17:40] <lakitu> that’s classic Americana goings-on.

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[16:21:23] <lakitu> with enough ingenuity, you might be able to suss out / deter gangs being joined, etc.

[16:22:30] <BigMick> (+BigMick) Who polices the government, banks and corporations if they ever commit any illegalities and punish them accordingly?

[16:23:25] <lakitu> “Ronnie’s got the coke & the tweens in a building downtown – it’s all free to you if you just show up…” some supposed gang member txt message or whatever.

[16:24:44] <lakitu> – some pseudo gang member txt message.

[16:27:47] <lakitu> (pseudo gang-member txt message.*)

[16:28:39] <lakitu> I wouldn’t be petty with this device, I’ve outlined the last two days. don’t try to catch someone taking a sandwich or something stupid, I guess.

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[16:30:05] <lakitu> there’s a certainly level where trifles are trifles & you don’t need to bring someone to justice for drinking half your soda pop.

[16:30:50] <lakitu> stealing a pencil, under normal circumstances, etc

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[16:31:13] <lakitu> not that many people would do that, but . . .

[16:33:00] <lakitu> (* with this device I’ve outlined the last two days.)

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[16:35:20] <lakitu> * there’s a certain level where trifles are trifles & you don’t need to bring someone to justice for drinking half your soda pop.

This is a metaphilosophy dialogue I led in Undernet #philosophical in January (January_23rd) 2023. It does a lot with a little & many people might appreciate the content – especially since I work to keep it approachable – using real life examples for example. This is very heady to figure & i might add on for example later. For now here is the main course!:

In this I am `lakitu`:

[11:41:05] <lakitu_> hello fattratt
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[11:54:01] <lakitu_> craftratt
[11:55:18] <lakitu_> I’ve been working on this (idea) complex:
[11:55:35] <lakitu_> theory : practice : abstract
[11:55:36] <lakitu_> :
[11:57:23] <lakitu_> * theory : ? : practice : abstract :: art : strategy : craft : concrete
[11:57:33] <lakitu_> misprint the first time
[11:57:40] <lakitu_> that I fixed
[11:58:03] <lakitu_> the “::” divides the two
[11:58:09] <lakitu_> as you saw I bet
[11:58:20] <lakitu_> * as you may have seen
[11:59:05] <lakitu_> theory & practice are more abstract forms, art & craft are more concrete
[11:59:25] <lakitu_> ah that’s right:
[11:59:45] <lakitu_> theory : *praxis* : practice : abstract :: art : strategy : craft : concrete
[12:00:20] <lakitu_> praxis is the abstract go-between form for theory & praxis
[12:00:33] <lakitu_> strategy is the concrete go between form for art & craft
[12:06:19] <lakitu_> thus,
[12:06:48] <lakitu_> strike that (meaning strike saying thus,)
[12:07:10] <lakitu_> * strategy is the concrete go-between form for art & craft
[12:11:28] <lakitu_> “practice” is common for a lawyer or a doctor: a legal practice, for example.
[12:11:55] <lakitu_> that are more erudite
[12:12:58] <lakitu_> meaning educated to a high degree
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[12:16:34] <lakitu_> the songwriting craft (sic; the craft of songwriting) might be one we’d hear more for an example for the more concrete craft form.
[12:20:26] <lakitu_> * the songwriting craft (sic; the craft of songwriting) might be one we’d hear more for an example for the more concrete form that is craft.
[12:22:28] <lakitu_> ** the songwriting craft (sic; the craft of songwriting) might be one we’d hear more for an example for the more concrete *form that is craft*.
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[12:40:16] <lakitu_> statecraft, spycraft.
[12:45:42] <lakitu_> practicing your instrument might help you more with theory than songwriting art (sic; the art of songwriting) & songwriting craft (sic; the craft of songwriting)
[12:46:00] <lakitu_> * practicing your instrument might help you more with music theory than songwriting art (sic; the art of songwriting) & songwriting craft (sic; the craft of songwriting)
[12:46:15] <lakitu_> ** practicing your instrument might help you more with *music* theory than songwriting art (sic; the art of songwriting) & songwriting craft (sic; the craft of songwriting)
[12:55:09] <Fixion> playing an instrument is very different – although related to writing music…
[12:55:26] <lakitu_> not too different
[12:55:54] <Fixion> songwriting even more requires essentially skill in lyrical poetry
[12:56:11] <Fixion> again different skill from playing and different skill from writing music
[12:56:28] <Fixion> although much of it may go hand-in-hand depending on your talent…
[12:56:29] <lakitu_> separate
[12:57:17] <Fixion> music theory is about how music is read and written, but you can play if you can read, you don’t have to write music to understand music theory…
[12:57:28] <lakitu_> crafting your performance, using a theme for your art, practicing your instrument scales, studying music theory are four examples.
[12:57:55] <Fixion> (others play without music theory – by ear – or naturally talented)
[12:58:16] <Fixion> jazz is often unread because its essentially ad hoc music
[12:58:41] <lakitu_> there’s more to music theory than reading & writing music, Fixion.
[12:58:44] <Fixion> but to differentiate it from noise Jazz often is done with a group/band, and they tend to build a ryhthm together…
[12:58:54] <Fixion> yes… listening is important too…
[12:59:20] <lakitu_> people use music theory even if they haven’t had a class in it. the I-IV-V is common, for example.
[12:59:36] <Fixion> uh?
[12:59:40] <Fixion> not sure what you mean by that
[13:00:13] <Fixion> what is I-IV-V ?(1-4-5 if its roman numerals but not sure how it applies)
[13:01:11] <lakitu_> many songs
[13:01:15] <Fixion> music THEORY is about knowing things like breaves, staffs, key signatures, etc… its about reading and writing music the THEORY of it… the sound and acutally playing it are different things altogether…
[13:02:11] <lakitu_> no. you have an affliction that is making you think music theory is only written & read. you play instruments in music theory class, use music theory at your instrument
[13:02:30] <lakitu_> use your instrument during music theory
[13:03:16] <lakitu_> for example, ear training for perfect pitch.
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[13:06:21] <Fixion> actually playing instruments is not required for music theory afaik.. it may be used in classes, but its not a necessary part (although it tends to be accompanying)
[13:06:40] <Fixion> normally the whole reason you are learning music theory is in order to play an instrument
[13:06:47] <lakitu_> I’ve had music theory 101 three times.
[13:07:13] <lakitu_> the teachers were at pianos.
[13:07:25] <Fixion> but someone like say beethoven (sp?) was deaf right? he did music by math, actually playing it isn’t necessarily necessary…
[13:07:44] <Fixion> it tends to help though
[13:08:11] <lakitu_> you’re very far into an imagination for music theory class versus the reallty for music theory class
[13:08:34] <Fixion> theres no single instrument that music theory applies to… (as long as it has the required pitches)
[13:09:10] <Fixion> its normally intrinsically linked but its not the same thing…
[13:10:19] <lakitu_> moving on
[13:10:22] <Fixion> but if you are writing music you don’t even need any of that, you can make musical score without ever having heard anything …
[13:11:06] <Fixion> you just follow the rules and place notes where they can go… it may sound terrible, it may sound good, but you can follow musical theory
[13:11:47] <Fixion> and you don’t need to play it yourself, you can just give the score to someone who knows how to read it and play it…
[13:11:54] <lakitu_> you’re making them as separate as you can when I am showing how they are connected
[13:12:15] <Fixion> I’m not saying they aren’t connected…
[13:12:37] <Fixion> but they aren’t the SAME thing, they’re different skills and different aspects of music…
[13:12:38] <lakitu_> weird experimental silent-music theory songwriting examples
[13:13:02] <Fixion> its entirely possible… and probably been done before
[13:13:10] <Fixion> not that I’ve tried it I mean I can read and play music…
[13:13:32] <Fixion> so if I were writing it I’d be playing it too testing it out as I go etc…
[13:13:47] * lakitu_ `/ignore`s Fixion citing he is a Big Pharma worker trying to sow discord
[13:14:07] * lakitu_ getting another hot chocolate
[13:14:11] <Fixion> sow discord? no it can actually be enabling…
[13:14:59] <Fixion> instead of telling people they have to crawl before they can walk maybe they can do something… maybe they’re disabled and unable to use an instrument but if they can create score by other means… then it gives them opportunity
[13:15:08] <Fixion> or maybe they’re no good at one but good at the other…
[13:16:08] <Fixion> I’m sick of this whole expected progression thing
[13:16:42] <Fixion> as if you can’t be good at something the very first time… and the expectation that doing it over and over again necessarily makes you better…
[13:17:03] <Fixion> sure it gives you experience but it doesn’t necessarily mean you can achieve as good a result as the first time you tried it
[13:17:17] <Fixion> (or as bad hehe)
[13:17:43] <Fixion> anyawy I gotta go
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[13:22:22] <lakitu_> mm. *hot* *chocolate* – num
[13:22:29] <lakitu_> chocolate is my favorite food
[13:26:41] <lakitu_> culinary art (sic; culinary arts) is another familiar art.
[13:29:37] <lakitu_> it is a little more concrete being something we make to eat around three times a day.
[13:30:09] <lakitu_> architecture is much more rare for its construction, & thus that much more theoretical – needing to get it right
[13:30:33] <lakitu_> for the long term.
[13:36:08] <lakitu_> Fixion’s being a gleed dancing goblin, I will return another time
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[14:02:54] <lakitu_> back
[14:03:46] <lakitu_> I believe a German philosopher coined praxis: the ferry between theory & practice
[14:04:07] <lakitu_> I made my default web browser search engine Wikipedia
[14:04:18] <lakitu_> Google is screw loose
[14:04:38] <lakitu_> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praxis
[14:04:39] <zhan> Praxis may refer to:.
[14:08:14] <Ragtime^> praxis makes perfect
[14:10:50] <lakitu_> ha
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[14:14:16] <lakitu_> that was not a very helpful article.
[14:15:09] <lakitu_> for example, you might use praxis to generalize from practice to theory – you might demonstrate by using strategy to go from art to craft.
[14:15:48] <lakitu_> for example, you might use praxis to generalize from practice to theory – you might use strategy to demonstrate art by craft.
[14:15:53] <lakitu_> ** for example, you might use praxis to generalize from practice to theory – you might use strategy to demonstrate art by craft.
[14:16:37] <lakitu_> for example a sample food for people to taste a culinary art recipe.
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[14:17:13] <lakitu_> * for example *to craft* a sample food for people to taste a culinary art *(sic; culinary arts)* recipe.
[14:30:00] <lakitu_> astronomy might be more toward theory, space craft (sic; spacecraft) might be more toward craft
[14:30:08] <lakitu_> for example

In this, I am “lakitu”:

{23:59:05 pm} <kblom> I never had manicotti

{00:00:05 am} <LionClan> Nor have I but I can imagine what it would taste like

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{00:03:34 am} <kblom> I’m already convinced that all italian pasta is delicious

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{00:05:07 am} <kblom> except for angel hair spaghetti

{00:06:24 am} <kblom> no way it’s always too mushy

{00:16:30 am} <kblom> I expect pasta to have a bit have a bit of al dente and angel hair never does. it’s always mush

{00:18:50 am} <kblom> I won’t eat it

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{00:30:45 am} <kblom> otherwise I don’t understand why italian cuisine is so excellent but it is

{00:32:01 am} <kblom> the italians I knew were very cool

{00:35:11 am} <lakitu> kblom, I love that Italian combined traditional national food with imported spices like crushed red (cayenne) pepper. I think few people don’t enjoy well-made Italian food. Mediterranean dishes are also very healthy – at least their high-fat element & of course olive oil / olives, wine . . .

{00:35:49 am} <lakitu> (red wine)

{00:36:34 am} <lakitu> a very traditional Italian cuisine is not a bad choice in the West for an enjoyable, healthy cuisine.

{00:37:14 am} <lakitu> brb

{00:38:38 am} <lakitu> Mediterranean at least has stood up to scrutiny, so far.

{00:39:03 am} <lakitu> I used to down a shot of olive oil twice a day for health.

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{00:41:53 am} <kblom> lakitu yeah italians know how to eat

{00:45:14 am} <kblom> do italians down a shot of olive oil twice a day for health?

{00:45:25 am} <lakitu> some I’m sure

{00:45:38 am} <fattratt_> some

{00:46:04 am} <fattratt_> But I don’t immediately see the italians as a health-obsessed nation.

{00:46:24 am} <lakitu> I know a doctor who recommends you get up to 80% of your calories from fats – our primary fuel, instead of say carbohydrates, both complex & simple, which complex turn into simple in our bodies. that is part of the diet code I follow myself: as a prototype: fats (including the very important *for longevity* omega-3s), organic veggie juice & organic raw veggies, & (low/no methylmercury) fish ((such as salmon, sardines, …)) & organic

{00:46:24 am} <lakitu> eggs, mainly.

{00:46:55 am} <kblom> maybe that’s an anglosaxon thing

{00:47:31 am} <lakitu> examples of fats are fish, animal fats, & dairy, like cheese.

{00:47:32 am} <fattratt_> Aye, fats have made a comeback. At one time the Dominant Orthodoxy said they were a big no no. But perhaps there has been a bit of a scientific revolution since then.

{00:47:44 am} <lakitu> heh – science gets credit coming & going

{00:48:40 am} <fattratt_> Thanks to people like Herr Dr. Lustig.

{00:48:41 am} <lakitu> there was Ancel Keys flawed (corporate) science study;

{00:49:13 am} <lakitu> that is still in influence today

{00:49:31 am} <lakitu> the American Heart Association warns against the dangers of coconut oil, e.g.

{00:49:37 am} <LionClan> In re olive oil, yes.

{00:49:52 am} <LionClan> They also rub it all over

{00:51:06 am} <lakitu> I’ve heard another newer olive-oil study trend that you CAN cook with it – it doesn’t turn unhealthy when cooked at medium temperatures

{00:51:16 am} <LionClan> Italians come in all sorts and sizes

{00:51:25 am} <lakitu> which would be great for dietetics & culinary arts people

{00:51:46 am} <lakitu> LionClan: touching a goomba has a large effect

{00:52:25 am} <lakitu> * for dietetics & the culinary arts…

{00:52:46 am} <lakitu> coconuts are overfarmed. whether or not they can just plant more, I’m not sure.

{00:54:07 am} <lakitu> * Ancel Keys’ flawed (corporate) science study

{00:54:09 am} <lakitu> sorry

{00:56:47 am} <lakitu> olive trees live hundreds, sometimes over a thousand years

{00:56:55 am} <lakitu> not a bad choice for a food source.

{00:57:03 am} <lakitu> –that trait.

{00:57:41 am} <fattratt_> I think I saw something a while ago that suggested that the American Heart Assn was ‘bought’ by ppl who wanted to promote polyunsaturated margarine, etc.

{00:58:05 am} <kblom> but whon wabts to eat olives– I hate them

{00:58:07 am} <fattratt_> This was several decades ago.

{00:58:10 am} <lakitu> I love olives!!

{00:58:16 am} <lakitu> –green ones

{00:58:31 am} <lakitu> I have some almost daily.

{00:58:37 am} <fattratt_> I like to wrap olives in kale leaves and eat them raw.

{00:58:43 am} <lakitu> yum

{00:59:07 am} <lakitu> I was about to say, a very famous locale for olive trees is Sulmo – where Ovid was born & raised.

{00:59:34 am} <kblom> rat disgusting

{01:00:33 am} <lakitu> (olives are a secret-weapon in a high-fat diet. I think many like them & they’re a high-fat vegetable.)

{01:00:59 am} <lakitu> * (olives are a secret weapon in a high-fat diet. I think many like them & they’re a high-fat vegetable.)

{01:02:04 am} <lakitu> I think a very, very underappreciated branch of the tree of Life is mushrooms (mainly mushrooms, but also some algae, etc) in dietetics & culinary arts.

{01:03:35 am} <lakitu> there are over 140,000 species of mushrooms, & many have potent immunity properties & even reproductive potency benefits.

{01:07:04 am} <kblom> olives are disgusting and I won’t eat them but I’ll eat tomatos

{01:08:06 am} <lakitu> they contain glutathione & ergothioneine, which are both very, very potent, once you begin to learn your body compounds & also mushrooms.

{01:08:10 am} <lakitu> –brb

{01:09:50 am} <lakitu> back

{01:11:27 am} <lakitu> shiitake, reishi, turkey tail, lion’s mane . . .

{01:11:57 am} <lakitu> evidently that number is just for the number of identified species, there **in total** anywhere from 1.5 million to 5.1 million different mushroom species on Earth.

{01:12:51 am} <lakitu> vegans love them as an alternative source of protein, too.

{01:14:33 am} <lakitu> –I don’t mind snacking on some white button mushrooms from the store. I’m sure culinary arts people could spice them up pretty good

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{01:15:47 am} <klys> how to sear a mushroom and marinade it in spicy sauce

{01:15:52 am} <lakitu> sure

{01:16:02 am} <lakitu> good Google search, klys.

{01:16:07 am} <klys> ye ye

{01:16:34 am} <lakitu> wanted to say your contributions in here were appealing to me lately; thank you for that . . .

{01:16:47 am} <klys> you’re welcome

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{01:17:49 am} <lakitu> I eat lots of fish & olives & cheese, in practice.

{01:18:07 am} <lakitu> but low/no methylmercury fish, organic olives, etc

{01:18:25 am} <klys> mm that might make olives the right match for olive oil

{01:18:27 am} <lakitu> eggs too I suppose.

{01:19:01 am} <lakitu> yeah – I drizzle olive oil & salt – **just those two** – on my salmon filets

{01:19:02 am} <lakitu> & love it

{01:19:28 am} <lakitu> drizzle olive oil on & salt, I could grammaticalize it, as.

{01:19:47 am} <lakitu> I’ve never not finished it; it’s very tasty.

{01:20:21 am} <lakitu> & then do daily veggie juicing.

{01:20:33 am} <klys> so eh, do you juice greens?

{01:20:35 am} <lakitu> yes

{01:20:43 am} <klys> and make a green drink?

{01:20:44 am} <lakitu> deep, dark leafy greens mainly

{01:20:51 am} <lakitu> yes – “plant juice”

{01:21:01 am} <lakitu> I have a whole system I teach others with

{01:21:12 am} <lakitu> for making juice recipes that are healthy & tasty

{01:21:32 am} <klys> eheh, usually the green drinks I buy are either spirulina-style superfood or they also contain apple juice

{01:21:44 am} <lakitu> yeah. are they fresh?

{01:22:14 am} <klys> yeah the spirulina “king of greens” (which includes kale, spinach, etc.) is made daily

{01:22:52 am} <klys> and I guess that would be a reason to use a preservative

{01:27:02 am} <lakitu> you do: dark leafy greens like spinach, green leaf lettuce, red leaf lettuce, arugula, etc for health, then add: cucumbers &/or celery for volume/palatability, a very measured amount of “astringents” I call them: some combo of onion, garlick, ginger root, etc (again for health); you can add lemon or lime, which are low in (the unhealthy type of) sugar, for taste; herbs like cilantro (which is a great aluminum detoxer– our most abundant

{01:27:02 am} <lakitu> toxin, in our species), & other herbs (be careful because these are potent – e.g. too much parsley can cause a bad detoxing reaction on your liver and/or kidneys, have to start small/slow), for health (herbs for health); & then garden-variety vegetables like tomatoes, peppers, carrots, for taste & health;

{01:27:41 am} <lakitu> right – it can be a lot of work to juice daily, every other day, which is how long before they go rancid

{01:28:20 am} <lakitu> so I thought & thought, & came up with my own preservation method, which I believe preserves the compounds (nutrients/phytochemicals) in the juice largely: https://joevalentyn.org/press/2017/10/22/juicing-ideas-for-you/amp/

{01:28:23 am} <zhan> Juicing Ideas For You ⸻ ♡, Joe Valentyn

{01:28:56 am} <lakitu> essentially you add lactofermented (probiotic) sauerkraut/pickle/(…) brine –

{01:29:29 am} <lakitu> you know this stays good in the fridge for weeks, preserving the veggies: the shredded cabbage which makes up sauerkraut, the baby cucumbers which are pickled, etc

{01:29:54 am} <lakitu> & in fact it works wonders for the plant juices, they keep around 7 days

{01:30:01 am} <lakitu> which means you work about 6/7ths less

{01:30:05 am} <lakitu> by juicing every 7 days.

{01:30:15 am} <klys> wauw you’ve really done some homework there

{01:31:13 am} <klys> yeah so fermented “soylent,” have you tried it?

{01:31:20 am} <lakitu> no – avoid it

{01:31:45 am} <lakitu> the more you denature foods the less nutritious they– as a general rule– become

{01:32:04 am} <klys> well okay then, it’s too expensive for my tastes, I usually get the cheaper whey shakes

{01:32:07 am} <lakitu> that is the argument against processed foods

{01:33:01 am} <lakitu> I had to save myself / my health – studied health *while sick* (…) for a very long time, eventually discovered juicing & saved up (poor AND sick) to try it, & I started feeling better within days

{01:33:04 am} <lakitu> my body loved it.

{01:34:04 am} <klys> yeah, I’ll be sure to hang on to this

{01:34:27 am} <lakitu> I plan to publish the above in a new article soon, I’ll try to drop your nick in here with the link

{01:35:24 am} <klys> very good

{01:36:58 am} <lakitu> I have to say, you can feel **a lot**– not all– but **a lot** of natural medicines helping your body when they’re a match for your illness. I often try a sampler approach – round-robin, whatever – until I find something my body just **rejoices** at – when I get an infection. when something seems to be what my body wants, I try dosing that alone to fight off the illness. I’ve fought off illnesses in 18 hours many times that people

{01:36:58 am} <lakitu> around me suffered 3 to 5 days with, just by learning natural antipathogenics (antivirals, antibiotics, in rare cases antifungals).

{01:38:55 am} <fattratt_> Aye, juicing is great if you are not well.

{01:39:02 am} <lakitu> I’ll give you an example: my friend had a moderate rash on his skin; he visited & low & behold I got it. I was able to diagnose it correctly– he went to the doctor & got it tested & I had the correct species of fungus– & treat it, using natural medicine, while he got his treated with a synthetic cream. ours both resolved, but I did it using natural medicine.

{01:39:03 am} <fattratt_> But if you are well, I’d avoid it.

{01:39:11 am} <lakitu> I would not:

{01:39:23 am} <fattratt_> The fibre is important.

{01:39:38 am} <lakitu> ??

{01:39:43 am} <lakitu> why can’t you get it other ways?

{01:39:50 am} <lakitu> it does not reduce your fiber at all.

{01:39:50 am} <fattratt_> Well, yes.

{01:40:40 am} <fattratt_> You can get sugar spikes.

{01:40:41 am} <lakitu> avoid juicing *laughs*

{01:40:49 am} <lakitu> well, you see with my recipe I addressed that

{01:41:01 am} <lakitu> talking about using lemons & limes, which are low-fructose.

{01:41:17 am} <fattratt_> ok

{01:41:19 am} <lakitu> the worst kind of sugar.

{01:43:09 am} <lakitu> I mean computers are bad if you flicker the screen in a dark room for an hour – but that’s just misusing them, & not what we’re talking about with such things

{01:44:20 am} <lakitu> klys: that preservation method is rare: I’m the only person I’ve ever seen espouse it, & I thought of it sitting on my couch one day.

{01:45:16 am} <lakitu> like I say, it works great. test away . . . it should not be very different from sauerkraut, lactofermented pickles, etc

{01:47:48 am} <lakitu> which we know preserve them – they’re age-old foods & very healthy ones at that.

{01:48:13 am} <lakitu> * lo & behold.

{01:55:18 am} <lakitu> juicing is no villain.

{01:55:57 am} <lakitu> such is no villain.

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{02:02:18 am} <fattratt_> nevvamind

{02:02:33 am} <fattratt_> have a lovely day

{02:03:27 am} <lakitu> mm – ok have fun fattratt

{02:05:20 am} <lakitu> Mercola suggested avoiding juicing e.g. onions, but I learned if you get the dose right, they can be really helpful

{02:05:35 am} <lakitu> part of the “astringents”, as I call them.

{02:07:12 am} <LionClan> Lots of great recipes begin Saute onions in butter until clear

{02:07:19 am} <lakitu> right

{02:07:32 am} <lakitu> onions are like one of the first cadets in the culinary arts

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{02:08:59 am} <lakitu> there seems to be a general liminal threshold for how much you can withstand drinking ‘astringents’, & ought to carefully measure so you can still enjoy the benefits of these more dastardly plants, like garlick, onion, ginger root, & so on

{02:09:38 am} <lakitu> * there seems to be a general liminal threshold for how much you can withstand drinking ‘astringents’, & you ought to carefully measure so you can still enjoy the benefits of these more dastardly plants, like garlick, onion, ginger root, & so on

{02:11:01 am} <lakitu> I would even suggest using an eyedropper for the very potent ones like garlick juice, which if you’ve never handled, you should never drink straight (meaning alone), because it’s so astringent, etc.

{02:11:25 am} <LionClan> All right think I could replace the parsley with spinach

{02:12:06 am} <LionClan> Goes better with Italian sausage

{02:12:28 am} <lakitu> spinach is a very healthy leafy green

{02:12:38 am} <lakitu> tons of magnesium.

{02:12:51 am} <lakitu> & I think vitamin K.

{02:14:00 am} <lakitu> when I first started drinking these plant juices, I was measuring my blood pressure, & I dropped about 10-15 points of systolic blood pressure (the top number), when I was juicing spinach. they say magnesium is good for lowering blood pressure.

{02:14:39 am} <LionClan> I can feel the magnesium, feels good

{02:14:43 am} <lakitu> heh

{02:16:11 am} <lakitu> but when you consume spinach either way, you get it with thousands of other plant compounds naturally evolved / occurring with it in the spinach, versus a magnesium pill which only has that one compound, *hopefully* derived from a plant / natural source.

{02:16:29 am} <lakitu> something like 98% of vitamins are synthetic in America anyway, it’s really a shame.

{02:16:34 am} <lakitu> it’s really a sad thing.

{02:18:31 am} <lakitu> staying alive is so important, health (…) is such a big killer – & we offer so many get-rich-quick scheme synthetic, processed versions of ingredients, foods, & medicines – & textile etc compounds – that we suffer great health loss to make a quick buck, which – like Mercola says – costs you more in healthcare in the long run anyway.

{02:20:21 am} <lakitu> money is pretty low on the totem pole of Earthly goods, but you’re not even saving money, giving people synthetics, processed food, etc., anyway.

{02:25:48 am} <lakitu> protein is really like a 2nd carbohydrate, in that even moderate amounts can cause health problems, such as cancer. …just like how excess carbohydrates can cause inflammation, weight gain, diabetes, & cancer.

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{02:51:59 am} <lakitu> “UCL study finds new evidence linking fruit and vegetable consumption with lower mortality” “1 April 2014” “People who ate seven or more portions of fruit and vegetables a day had a 42% lower risk of death at any point in time than those who ate less than one portion, reports a new UCL study.” – from https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2014/apr/ucl-study-finds-new-evidence-linking-fruit-and-vegetable-consumption-lower-mortality

{02:52:01 am} <zhan> UCL study finds new evidence linking fruit and vegetable consumption with lower mortality

{02:54:35 am} <lakitu> I read once on a Harvard Medical Department website that 8oz of carrot juice was equal to about 5 servings of carrot, ate, minus the fiber. so juicing is a economical choice for getting in a lot of veggies.

{02:59:20 am} <lakitu> one great thing about juicing too is *******it regenerates your immune system to a very hardy level******* – which will be very important when the antibiotic-resistant diseases begin to plague us more, over the next 35-50 years **at least**, similar to how we’ve seen SARS-CoV-2 plague us . . .

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{03:09:42 am} <lakitu> then there’s omega 3s, especially for fish. of all medical indexes (indices, other people say) in a meta-analysis of what-I-remember-being tens or hundreds of thousands of studies, the top index in all of them indicating longevity was your omega 3 index: how much omega 3 fatty acids you have in your body– particularly the EPA version of omega 3 fatty acids, found in fish.

{03:10:59 am} <lakitu> “In this body of work, led by omega-3 expert and prolific researcher William Harris, Ph.D., professor of medicine, Sanford School of Medicine, University of South Dakota, the omega-3 index was measured for 2,500 participants (54 percent women) in the offspring cohort of the Framingham Heart Study.2 The omega-3 index reflects the EPA and DHA content of your red blood cell membranes.

{03:10:59 am} <lakitu> All participants, who had an average age of 66 years and were CVD free at baseline, were tracked until about age 73. Besides tracking total mortality, researchers also noted death from CVD, cancer and other causes, as well as any associations between omega-3 index levels and risk of CVD events, fatal or not.

{03:10:59 am} <lakitu> While increased levels of omega-3s have been shown to reduce your CVD risk, the researchers also noted a strong association between the omega-3 index and death from all other causes. Notably, when comparing participant omega-3 index levels, those with the highest levels of omega-3 fatty acids slashed their risk of death from any cause by 34 percent.”

{03:12:25 am} <Fixion> uh IRC.libra,chat back again … I’m going to set the mode to +s again

{03:12:34 am} <lakitu> 42% – for the veggies – life-chance upping – is huge. so is 34% for the (mainly fish) omega-3 index.

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{03:14:07 am} <Fixion> ahh it kept my +v status :) hehe nice

{03:14:18 am} <Fixion> (didn’t expect that when I deopped

{03:14:54 am} <lakitu> CVD there is cardiovascular disease.

{03:15:08 am} <Fixion> oh I thought it was covid! oops

{03:15:41 am} <Fixion> I might not be able to get my second vaccine! supplies are running out here

{03:16:05 am} <Fixion> im still in my 3 week waiting period for the second pfizer shot

{03:18:23 am} <lakitu> you’d be hard pressed to find a 34% all-causes mortality upping to your life chances like that just skimming thru the literature.

{03:18:28 am} <lakitu> 42% even more.

{03:18:49 am} <lakitu> you should be happy if you find something that slashes your death risk 10% – that is substantial.

{03:21:14 am} <lakitu> another therapy I’d suggest to research is oxygen therapy; you can only go maybe 30, 45 seconds to a minute without oxygen before you begin to get brain damage – it’s *that important*.

{03:23:01 am} <lakitu> in biochemistry they teach that there are three main processes in our cells at that level: transporting in nutrients, transporting out waste (such as dead matter & toxins), & healing using oxygen… oxygen very simply is a healer; that’s what it does for us, simply put.

{03:25:25 am} <lakitu> if you have something like a stroke, or traumatic brain injury, oxygen therapy can heal your brain such that you have low/no cognitive complications – ones you otherwise would have – afterward; it was found to have this potential, particularly in combination with vitamin B3 – also known as niacin – in medical studies.

{03:26:30 am} <lakitu> you would want to administer it very soon after to prevent the effects the most & heal the quickest: the study did it within 24-48 hours after the stroke, for example.

{03:28:29 am} <lakitu> but you can have low/no cognitive complications using such therapies; & the side effects of oxygen & a vitamin just are not there – they are way healthy.

{03:31:31 am} <lakitu> (avoid the extended-release form of niacin (B3) because it often damages the liver.)

{03:33:46 am} <LionClan> Don’t recommend B3 for the duration of covid pandemic

{03:41:37 am} <lakitu> I was going to say, niacin is kind of a different beast in that it can supercharge what you take with it – excessively – & what you have in you, by dilating the endothelial cells, veins, & arteries – which collectively are “the vessels” – & distribute what you take with it or have in you farther, deeper into your body. it has its uses & – combined with oxygen – stroke / brain injury/damage seems like one of them – but it is one I would

{03:41:37 am} <lakitu> be careful about taking if you have a pathogen problem or if you are trying to naively combine it with other medicines, as it can make their effectiveness to strong & make you lightheaded, etc.

{03:42:38 am} <inhahe_> lakitu, isn’t iodine supplement really good for you? howcome I couldn’t find any in Walgreens?

{03:42:42 am} <lakitu> too strong*

{03:42:55 am} <lakitu> * I was going to say, niacin is kind of a different beast in that it can supercharge what you take with it – excessively – & what you have in you, by dilating the endothelial cells, veins, & arteries – which collectively are “the vessels” – & distribute what you take with it or have in you farther, deeper into your body. it has its uses & – combined with oxygen – stroke / brain injury/damage seems like one of them – but it is one I would

{03:42:55 am} <lakitu> be careful about taking if you have a pathogen problem or if you are trying to naively combine it with other medicines, as it can make their effectiveness too strong & make you lightheaded, etc.

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{04:00:05 am} <lakitu> Vitamin D3, which we usually get thru Sun exposure (best around solar noon), can also cut your risk of dying by 50%, for the up to 90-95% percent of people deficient in vitamin D3: “Again, in the study those who corrected their deficiencies saw their risk of death drop by more than half.” if you try to supplement with oral D3 you have to supplement with magnesium & K2 or you face calcification of your arteries, which is a hardening that

{04:00:05 am} <lakitu> can lead to cardiovascular disease, you can read about. there is a grassrootshealth.net that will help you get convenient, affordable testing & get your vitamin D3 (& omega-3) levels right.

{04:00:27 am} <lakitu> (* vitamin D3.)

{04:01:08 am} <lakitu> (( * vitamin D3 / Vitamin D3. ))

As an update to the original: https://joevalentyn.org/press/2015/06/11/healthiest-things-i-know-part-one/.

Excerpted from a letter to my Grandmom ¡JoAnn!:

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JAKE IS A WONDERFUL MUSICIAN FRIEND WHO LIVES IN BEMIDJI, MINNESOTA WHO HAS I-WONDER IN MANY WAYS HAD A SIMILAR EXPERIENCE AS ME & MAYBE YOU, ‘MOM!:

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Jun 17, 2020, 11:49 AM

JAKE: What kind of Juice did you drink when you were healing yourself???

ME: hey Jake Brother – i’ll grab my best juicing info for you – these are how i got started, & what i use/used:

ME: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/13/benefits-of-juicing.aspx joevalentyn.org/press/2015/06/11/healthiest-things-i-know-part-one/ http://joevalentyn.org/press/2017/10/22/juicing-ideas-for-you/

{Picture of dark-leafy-green veggie juices.}

Juicing | What are the Health Benefits of Juicing?

articles.mercola.com

ME: three links there, in order i’d consider reading them

ME: basic, basic, foundations type info’

ME: type informatino.

ME: (information*)

JAKE: ?

ME: after you get what you want out of those, i can help you with some basic recipes

JAKE: Very well, thanks!

ME: rock

ME:t hat last link teaches you how to only need to juice once a week, not once every other day – using lactofermented food brines

ME: hope you’re doing alright with your help brotherman! thanks for dropping me messages

ME: i’ve been healthy & ‘out of there’ since then.

ME :crazy times.

ME: (i mean in America, etc.)

JAKE: ?

ME: help/health*

ME: …i meant health.

ME: i’ve been healthy (meaning re my physiological health of course – my allergies, "stroke-like" thing… blah blah blah. just to be clear . . . )

ME: – i had meant . . .

JAKE: That’s great to hear!

Jun 25, 2020, 10:05 PM

JAKE: Hope you are doing well bro, wish you the best ?✌️?

Jun 26, 2020, 12:27 AM

ME: hey Jake, i’ll take the best! about those juices you were looking to cure up with: after a lot of experimentation, i’ve learned you should avoid excess parsley in juices, because it can overload your kidneys if you have a lot of toxins, & you should avoid excess radishes in your juices, because it can overload your liver if you have too many toxins. also, some say broccoli juice causes goiters in excess & asparagus can cause cancer. those are the only real health cavaets i can think of offhand.

as far as taste, my overall basic recipe formula is: flavorizer(s) + volumerizer(s) + deep, dark leafy green(s) + optional herb(s) + optional extras, where:

flavorizers are like lemon (which is low in bad sugar, fructose), lime (same), and/or fennel bulb (just the bulb – tastes like grape bubble gum); they make it palatable;

volumizers are celery and/or cucumber, they add volume & also really really help to make it palatable;

deep, dark leafy greens are listed everywhere, but favorites are spinach & romaine lettuce, & green & red leaf lettuce. these are the healthiest according to the experts i talk to & i try to add different kinds per juice. experimenting will get you the right amount per; too much & its too bitter to stomach. e.g 3-5 ounces of spinach would be a fair amount for one of the juice servings (8-12 oz) i make.

herbs you know, but i will just say after much experience, you actually can use onions, garlics, & ginger (mentioned) below, if you really really ration the amount – here’s the magic numbers i’ve found for them:

· onion: max of 1/15th of a medium onion per 8-12oz juice;

· garlic: max of ‘1 bit’ (about a 1/3rd to a 1/5th) of ‘1 cut’ (about the size of a usual supplement pill, & as much as you could reasonably eat max at once). the juicing will bring out gloads of flavor when you use garlic.

· ginger: same as garlic, if not less.

optional extras: most anything else you want to be creative & try. Mercola said he loves raw coconut, for example. i like adding farm food, like tomatoes & as i said, onions.

use those other links for important other information too!

thanks for saying hi! have a wavy day!

– Joe

Jun 26, 2020, 2:11 PM

JAKE: ?

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As an update, I include this explanation in an email to someone I Love very much & even have publications planned with, outside of health:

hey Martha – after long enough juicing, I’ve gotten pretty good at flavor, & preservation, & can help you with either of those, but this time I want to tell you about how juicing *detoxes you*, & that can, with enough toxins being filtered thru & then out of your body, make you feel fatigued, or give you kidney discomfort or pain. the way I’ve found to deal with this is:

1) drink your juice in quarters/halves at a time – separated by say 6 hours or 12 hours;

2) drink 1-2 bottles of water right when you feel say fatigued or kidney pressure after drinking a juice;

& 3) cut your intake of juice, at first to a *a quarter, is what I use for a rule of thumb with natural medicine side effects, etc*, & then inch back up to find your optimum level you can tolerate.

I esp. notice this in-the-long-run wonderful detoxing effect with certain veggies like curley parsley, which does a beautiful job cleansing the kidneys.

Other veggies to avoid or go low on juicing:

Broccoli (avoid) – can cause goiters, some say

Asparagus (avoid) – agian, *some* say it can cause cancer

Radishes (*) – these are extremely powerful liver cleansers, but the problem is we are extremely toxified (the liver cleanses toxins, as do the kidneys – that’s what the liver **does** – it’s its purpose), so the extreme cleansing meets the extreme toxifiedness of the liver & a strong, painful reaction can ensue. if you’re like me, & if you’re interested in cleansing the kidney, you then look to starting withi a little bit of radish, & scaling up safely, since its so economical AT cleansing the liver. but otherwise (hence the “*” after “Radishes”, at the beginning of this paragraph) **avoid radishes in plant juicing**

Curley parlsey (*) – similar deal: it’s great at what it does: cleanse kidneys, liver, but we’re so toxified (from environmental & food toxins) we must go easy with this. I find I can juice two bunches of curley parsley if I split the juice in half (8oz every 12 hours) & then drink bottles of water when first starting with it. but I am that-much more toxified from the pills. You’d do best to do this: 1) juice the curley parsley into a separate juicer catcher/container, & then add little bits each day, experimenting with more & more to see that you feel ok when you drink it. if you don’t notice e.g. kidney pressure at night (which if you do, as I say drink 1-2 bottles of water to help flush toxins out), then you can progressively add more & more to ’till you’re at your desired amount (e.g. two bunches of curley parsely per 7-9 16oz veggie juice batches you make (remember you can make more than 2 days worth if you add 1oz of Bubbie’s sauerkraut brine to each 16oz of juice, which will preserve it up to 9 days instead of max 2 ((days))…)).

so if you experience fatigue or kidney discomfort, do the above – drink it in quarters or halves spaced out thruout the day, drink 1-2 bottles of water when you first start to feel that way, & cut your intake of juice or at least that ingredient in the juice recipe (& optionally find a good amount you can tolerate – starting very low & giving it 24 hours from dose ’til you gather it doesn’t make you feel fatigue or discomfort.)

Love you! Juicing is one of the healthiest things I know!

Yours,
Joe

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& As a second update I will say if you add sugary veggies like carrots & tomatoes, etc, then the preservation should last about 7 days rather than 9, which still saves you 6/7ths of your work.

“The Norns (Old Norse: norn, plural: nornir) in Norse mythology[1] are female beings who rule the destiny of gods and men.”

⸻⸻⸻ from The Norns, on Wikipedia.

Interesting, re feminism, matriarchy, as I’ve mentioned lately.

This spread’s title changed century twenty-one year twenty-one month four day twenty around 5:30pm.

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This communique was originally conceived approximately early Winter, Spring of 2016, & composed around January – February of 2020.

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Latinas… Latinas are truly as if plucked out of a fantasy: of the most beautiful women we could hope to get.

No lies there.

Latino men are proportionately Romantic.

Reach out to us in the rest of The West ⸻ let us touch hands with you ⸻ We Love You.

These – affluence-wise – ever-so healthy, blindingly Beautiful Latina women & also these Latino men have one-tenth of our wealth; & deserve everything we have once over for themselves.

Let us touch hands with you ⸻ reach out to us in the rest of The West ⸻ we are not greedy ⸻ & We Love You.

Latinas are even one & the same– these most sexy, healthy inside-&-out women– race: we are “Hispanic & Non-Hispanic Whites”, per the Census Bureau. We are called White Americans. & Latinos are Christian ⸻ largely: 92% of who many call Hispanic Americans are Christians ⸻ & very spiritual ones at that.

Let’s get in touch ⸻ why not chat up everyone you meet online, on the street, peoples? Step up & say hey. We Love You ⸻ We Love You ⸻ We Love You.

We do not hate other Westerners.

We are not afraid of the unknown.

Westerners embrace that blind date with the ones said to be the best at Love itself, no less.

– My actual message is: Latinas are hottt ⸻ they’re the best Lovers ⸻ & they need help we can provide ⸻

Did I mention the hotttness of Latinas?

Are you just going to stand there? Maybe holding your piece?

Latin-American relations × ∞.

I thought this was interesting:

Mental soundness is often attributed to those who make a life’s work studying it, but philosophers far & away outdo psychs, per the GRE (grad school exams given to most disciplines), and, much more.

Here’s some other gems from the original website:

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‘The standardized test used to assess applicants to graduate school in management and business. (The Graduate Management Admission Test (GMAT), typically for Master of Business Administration degrees (MBAs)).’

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“Mean LSAT scores by major (2015). The LSAT is the entrance exam for law school.”

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“Average Number of Standard Deviations Above the Mean for the Three Sections of the GRE (2019).  The GRE is the standardized test used to assess applicants to graduate school in most disciplines. Graph by Tomas Bogardus.”

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“Mean GRE Verbal scores by major (2015). The GRE is the standardized test used to assess applicants to graduate school in most disciplines.”

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My own test scores were ninety-ninth percentile in all categories in the state-standards testing I took, & fourteenth-grade for overall comprehension in grade school.

Things to think about.

(While you’re hear check out some of my poetry: joevalentyn.org/press/?search=poem, or check back in this space for my new feature: trading battle scars — or photos! You decide, *laughing*.)

Joe Valentyn
February, 2020

Sapience, Wisdom, Experience, & World-Weary Ways are commodities.

Good ideas & good advice are a commodity, in this Life.

With 1,000,000 of your 1,000,000 dollars, you ought to value your elders’ rightness, Love, & all their grandness they bring.

Mature members of our world are not any less than leaders, wise women & men, & it is a massive sin to throw away our mature leaders of such worth.

Venerate the elder.

Thank you.

– Joseph Jerome Valentyn

• Etymonline.com

A course for study could be embarked on from as early as sixteen.

For earlier learners: look into picture encyclopedias (sic; encyclopediae) & picture dictionaries.

For second language learners: look into bilingual picture dictionaries.

Thank you!
⸻ Valentyn_Joe
USA_Minnesota
2024_Maysub>6^th

This comes from a special place in my trove of memories; a teenage art-school girl band (& they ARE very hot) composed, wrote, & sang this to me in literally where they mention, sitting crosslegged, as a surprise-attack gift they gave me. I melted, I melted, I melted, I was jelly. The “Desolation Angels'” (heh heh heh) “Joe Valentyn”!

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From my research today:

“An Old English word for ‘sacred’ was godcund.”

What more can be said? Is the project of language complete, with this?

Maybe.

Mele Kalikimaka, is the thing to say,

Joe Valentyn
The Anglosphere
5:55 AM, October 14th, 2019.

Wow; I don’t normally write about a Tweet™ on joevalentyn.org, but I am adamantly anti-abduction, anti-abuse, & anti-rape of women, & this much violation really calls for justice. Watch this video of “stalkerware” being used:

Due to "stalkerware" it's now easier than ever to access someone's location, listen to their phone calls and see their text messages.

It's increasingly used by abusive partners. pic.twitter.com/LBHDWNbV0D

— DW News (@dwnews) August 15, 2019

Between 91.2%¹ & 69.8%¹ of people in America have used drugs (counting alcohol) in the past year. From 69.7%¹ to 56.2%¹ have used drugs (counting alcohol) in the past month . . . Moloch worship is powerful here.

(1): https://drugabusestatistics.org/

“Who you like in a fight”: I think this is the etymology for “like”!

⸻ Valentyn_Joe
USA_Minnesota
2024_May30^th

From a new book of poems in which I fight my love interests’ afflictions using poetics; when in Rome, write Love poetry. Here is me fighting one affliction using poetics:

*cough* is trying to trick you
 *cough* is trying to trick you
 a scary spectre -
 a methed-up heckler -
 an envious loveblocker, is trying to trick you

"why do we spend our lives,
 being force fed lies?
 is it because you envy these guys?!
 yeah it's because you envy my guys!"

when Karma's sunny rays
beat down upon our faces
will see who's *cough*
& who went astray 
(when Karma's sunny rays!)

(Envy is a sin!
Envy is a sin!
for a better world,
build with mud,
 instead of throwing it!
for a better world,
be mad at yourself,
not "her" or "him";
for a better world,
look within . . . )

((Envy is a sin!
Envy is a sin!))

an envious loveblocker tried to trick you

- Now, where were we?

– JMarch 14th, 2019

I, with much inspiredness, decided to name my artist identity “Eros”. Just to officially announce, here.

(Originally thought of in 2016.)

Lately I’ve been working on something called tensor philosophy.

Take a look:

Inspirations That Can Inspire The 10 Commandments (Deuteronomy), The Transcendentals, & The Cardinal Virtues For The Periods.

Ding me a message over on the right re: this. – Joe

Misprint emendation for typist’s typo made 2024_April20^th.

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Greetings.

These ideas are for us, the people, for the United Nations, and the United States government, to because upon. These ideas are good ideas to fight for.

I will say first listen to your people. Listen to your people – not just ossify misguided programs with money, & don’t just listen to “experts” but to the people on their hands and knees working under these problems.

That is a duty of representational government – to listen to its people.

World Outlook:

• GHGs & oil. We will need to kick renewable energy programs into gear, such as solar energy programs. Oil will be running out at the same time.
• Infections which are antibiotic-resistant. We will have to taper overusing synthetic antibiotics, to avoid as much of the projected twenty-seven Holocausts’ worth of deaths we can from antibiotic resistant disease over the next 35 years, were we to continue course unchanged.
  The large majority of overused antibiotics are injected into farm animals, which we then consume; so we will need to slash their use, as well as in humans, to avoid up to 300 million deaths worldwide over the next 35 years.
• Food & topsoil. With populations booming at the same time topsoil is eroding, we will need to grow agricultural productions approximately 35% over the next 50 years, particularily through sustainable practices avoiding the pitfalls of choosing genetic engineering such as super weeds, & also of monocropping, choosing instead to use more sustainable practices, such as growing organic produce, & crop rotation, which unbounds nutrient values in fruits and vegetables through topsoil conservation.

Priorities for the Nation:

• Women in Power. Only one in ten in government are women. We need the 50/50 campaign & other social motions to put our highly communicative, highly empathetic, very reasonable, & very sensible women, who are better with people often times, in equal ranks of the ship of state, & let them in on peace negotiations, on budget talks & into the forbidden leadership roles for women. As the largest meaningful grouping on Earth, they should not be under represented to this poor of a degree. Consider this their knocking.
• Population. We need to grow our population; we are smaller than other comparable countries. See my October 22nd 2018 communique, titled, “The New American Dreamers.” For the sake of life in this country, we need to have more sex & reproduce via that, man’s delight.
  People are most important, & we will be better off living with more, more sustainably. Please read my carefully written communique from October 22nd, on this same site.
• Natural health. Ninety one percent of all deaths are from health problems the statistics say. Optimal health we have come to learn is best served with first doing no harm, letting food be thy medicine, & with natural healthy lifestyle approaches since we know prevention is the best medicine. The last refuges of harmful synthetics are burning in the rear view mirror – synthetic antibiotics are projected to kill 300 million people, 27 Holocausts worth, continuing course unchanged; & daily low dose aspirin was found to cause excessive stomach bleeding. Omega-3s, dropping inches from your waistline, 7+ servings of veggies & fruits a day, & frequent motion all slash your all-causes mortality risk 40% or more, each. Natural health works – lets show it with our best physical science.
• Election interference. We have the national intelligence agencies citing a “high confidence index” – Russians are pursuing active measures campaigns to interfere with our electing our leaders – which could disrupt future elections of leaders systemically, too.
• Campaign-finance reform. This is another systemic problem. “Dialing for dollars,” as Bernie Sanders talks about, this involves super PACs’ unlimited spending, thanks to Citizens United, wherein we used ideas like Money is Speech, & Corporations are People! Since we have an economically unequal democracy, standardizing dollar donations is a way we can restore democracy rather than plutocracy to the artwork of our form of government, & we must restore democracy in this way, through campaign finance reform, for the free and fair systemic electing of leaders in The United States here & now..
• GHGs & oil. Same as above.
• Infections which are antibiotic-resistant. Same as above.
• Sperm motility rates plummeting 50% in the west in 40 years.
• Fifty percent of all wildlife killed in 40 years.
• Ninety-one percent of plant varietals vanished in 90 years.
• Thirty-three percent obesity rate increase.
• Methylmercury poisoning of fish.
• Seventy-five percent of flying insects dead in 40 years.
• Air pollution.
• Ocean acidification.
• Super weeds from genetically engineered produce.
• Plastic in the oceans.

Clearly we have an addiction to synthetics, both synthetic compounds used in about everything, & the synthetic medicines, as well as severe Natural conservation mismanagement approaches, with the only 2%-phytochemically-studied 400,00 species of plants on this Earth, & so we will need some wise, even sapient sustainable enviromental practices becoming our way of life.

• Human Trafficking. We need to kick down the door on this bad dream for millions of tormented people & their loved ones. Without infringing on other liberties, we should crack more criminal sex & slavery rings across the Nation, & this could be broadened to a global scope even.
  Free our girls! Free slave laborers!
  Now.
• inequality. 44-families own half of the wealth. The top tier are, in the United States, currently taking in 95% of new income gains. From reducing corporate influence to a trickle, to estate taxes, to minimum wage raises, to employee-owned & co-op business models, this will be a main cause for disorder & discontent until we get this massive disproportioning under control. The national dialog on this was severely disrupted by 2016’s election & we will need to pick up where we left off from, keeping a vigilant torch on this issue.
• A “Grand Bargain” for entitlements. Social Security will be insolvent by 2033 &  Medicare by 2026, according to their trustees. The Baby Boomer generation & the Millenials will need to bargain over things like slowing cost-of-living adjustments & increasing taxes to make Medicare, Medicaid & Social Security solvent again. Without Social Security, fifty percent of our wisest members would be living in poverty – just one in ten are so stricken, with Social Security.
  We need to make Social Security contributory, where each generation is paying their own way toward retirement. Look for such a generational-equity solution, as Franklin Delano Roosevelt originally envisioned for Social Security.
• Equal pay for equal work. We need to balance the 75% only that women get on average of men’s pay, so we have “equal pay for equal work.”
• Debt. Another area where elders have somehow bequeathed us a bill, we are currently at a level near 100% of our GDP. The second-highest “spending” we do is on interest for the American debt. Largely we owe China  for our debt. our solution will have to come from finding some mix of magic numbers for things like increases to income, employer, & corporate taxes, & magic-number-cuts to entitlements & national defense spending – our top sources of revenue & non-interest expenditures, unless we can generate a new means of income to pay down our debt & get rid of the ‘money sink’ debt-interest cost we pay currently.
• Draconian confinements. From drug sentences to locking up gays in so-called mental hospitals, we need to stop with Draconian judgements & live in  a world of pluralism and respect, not Draconianism and prejudice.
• Internet privacy. I would like in-the-know women & female ethics philosophers particularly to have a lot of say & the lead in a national dialog about how we should address communications  & information technology information privacy, against the slithering siphoning of private & personal information, including photos & videos, by capitalist data – miners often working hand in hand with Madison Avenue’s Marketers.
• Minimum wage. Workers need a living wage. Right now we subsidize Wal-mart – owned by one of the richest families in the world – to have their employees require government assistance. We must stop corporate welfare here & elsewhere, we have too many money problems as it is.
• Refugees. Refugees need refuge. Many Middle Easterners in Syria are Christians, & denying the helping hand we can afford to give them of shelter and food until bigger militant forces have settled down in their home Country.
• Yemeni humanitarian-crisis aid. If children are very sick at a party, and you can pay a fairly paltry sum to help save so many, it would be a derelictness to not save them.Millions are starving in Yemen thanks to again proxy battles, & Allies or not we will have to help stem the mass starvation & malnutrition happening in the worst humanitarian crisis we have seen since World War II.

  Help the Yemeni. Say yes to Yemen.

• Micro-trading. Hundreds-or thousands-of-fold faster stock & other finance trades are happening with micro-training, which is rapid automated trading of stocks & other securities. Some have forecast a potential 2nd recession from these lacking regulations. Very likely they need to be regulated to keep the markets at a human pace of volatility.

These were all I thought of off the top of my head.

I would like to cite many, many statistics, & in general better my information, but right now I am falsley held in confinement and not allowed to have access to a computer, write, or even talk to my loved ones over the phone for all and most of the day, respectively.

But these are my sincerestly held beliefs. Thank you very much for your listening to me.

Joe Valentyn
November 25th, 2018
Minnesota, U.S.A

Love. Magical Lovesong. Tearbreaking gifts of the heart. Sopping wet dolls of us throwing ourselves into something specialer than the last head-over-heels moment. Fireside hot chocolates. Deer. Bunnies. Pendants. Diamonds. Love. The only thing we know on this Earth so Holy is Love. Lovers. Us watching the deer, two by two, bunnies also, two by two. Ovid & Corrina . . .  e.e. cummings & marion morehouse . . .  Casanova & Bettina . . .  Jack Kerouac & Sandy Kerouac. All of us . . .  two by two . . .  or was it three by three . . .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

{This post acquired many misprints – very many actually; due to having to transcribe it over the phone while being falsely imprisoned; when I went to correct them, being worried by Matthew Yglesias’s recent book promotion, podcast, articles, & posts for “1 BILLION AMERICANS”, due out 9/15/20, but which neglects to mention me, caused me to lose every completed correction. I will begin again: ‘bless my wonderful typist, My Dad, Scott Thomas Valentyn (Valentine), Son of Shirley neé Wayne Valentyn & Jerome Edmund Valentyn, (as My Grandpa always ordered His Wife & himself):

I blame the misprints verily on the prison & their horrible communications systems.

{Update: I had to do the full thing again over a 3rd time now. Uncharacteristic text loss, disappearance required it.}

Do enjoy!:}

The country is stags & virgins: stags & virgins who need to reproduce – by man’s delight: by having sex. We must throw off the chains of our indoctrination & reproduce – two by two; 242 years after our conception we are small, smaller then comparable countries; we must reproduce. & This is no burden – women want Love, men want sex, and we have the funds to go ’round. We must make a armistice, by the rich, on the poor, that we need all our great-traited men and women from every rank of society– I myself am only titled a peon– to be worthy of our pool now, & for our epoch: & what a fuck of an epoch it will be: The American Dream is not dead: The American Dreamer is the man with his movie reeling after its showing, showing his ultimate cherishment: His Wife, beautiful, buck naked, tittering in concupiscent laughter.

What greatness can this wring in the world but to inspire other countries to follow in our footsteps & have copious amounts of sex for the beautifulest thing: to create more of our big bright eyes, long lashes, pouty lips – & by the baker’s dozen they shall! Our American Dream is The World Dream – & it is The Life Dream. Have a gigantic family? Then learn how – sustainably – to provide for them. Have a thriving species? Then learn how – sustainably – to provide for them. Have sex with me – it’s our– upon backs broken defending us & backs broken providing for us– New American Dream. Forever in Love, forever having intimate sex I fantasized about, again, & again, & again, & again.

Joseph Jerome Valentyn
Minnesota, U.S.A
October 20th, 2018

Originally conceived on paper May-June, 2018.

 

Song about FBI / Interpol raids of female abduction / human trafficking victims.

The genre is romantic hardcore.

One version already recorded.

Chattel

CHATTEL!!

CHATTEL!!

Shoot
to k***

Take
no prisoners

’cause CHATTEL!!

CHATTEL!!

so we must SECURE

SECURE

…her.

Again, that was against human trafficking – about the raids to save abducted women from those who “stealeth” women, as the Bible talks about in the Books of Moses, after receiving the 10 Commandments at Mount Sinai, & describing similar laws to the tribes of Israel.

The guitar work really pushes it over the edge.

One of my main focuses, I have been waiting on, is to introduce Health – which is very different from Medicine – into our political dialogue.

Of all deaths, 91% are from disease – non-communicable & communicable diseases.

Here is a thinkpiece written in bed from late 2016 or so, that I wanted to share now, as an addition to my pro vegetable & fruit communiques.

Without further ado:

If you heat up ammonia, & force people to to take what is produced by it, charge an exorbitant rate for this, & specifically target people you don’t like with this, this is called “healthcare.”

If you omit studies saying how harmful it is, we are then doing medical science.

& If you replace the normal produce used for medicine over tens of thousands of years, with these byproducts, you are then doing conventional medicine, as opposed to alternative medicine.

& If you recommend vegetables, fruits, roots, herbs, nuts, pastured eggs, organic cheese, grass fed beef, oils, syrup & honey & exercise, you are ‘a quack.’

That is my report on Earthly healthcare today.

Signing off,
Joe Valentyn
March 28, 2018
Owatonna, Minnesota, U.S.A

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Updated 8 P.M. March 28, 2018

Big Pharma, we need to have investigations you wicked Godless Antichrists…

Lobotomies?

Electroshock therapy?

Why is it that if you heat up ammonia, & force people to take what you produced by it, charge an exponential rate for this, & specifically target people you don’t like with this, this is called “health care”?

Forcing lobotomies, electroshock therapy, & deadly poisons is “health care”?

I’m watching you!,
Joseph Jerome Valentyn