The Ruby At The Center Of “The Book of Love” – A Love Dialogue By Joey Valentyn, June The 26th, 2021

June 26th, 2021

In this dialogue I am lakitu. This dialogue is spontaneous; the first & fourth parts are slow, the second & fourth parts are the reason I post this:

{02:46:10 pm} <lakitu> shopping for coffee online in-between things the last couple days… kind of a new modern twist on coffee fandom for us coffee aficionados: sorting thru 20,000 brands to find the one, true, best whole-bean pouch our vested belief in like, Google coffee-blog search-result #3’s recommnedations can buy us… sort of like a medallion hunt or something,

{02:46:10 pm} <lakitu> that elusive, great coffee taste we’ll be drinking maybe a couple times a day. is it in Key Largo Much Grounded whole-bean Sumatra, San Jose’s Felicimo Arabica blend? we will never know, there’s only 20,000 brands to try. but I still will feel strongly: this tasty cup is probably basically the best the money can buy, haha.

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{02:47:45 pm} <lakitu> …no one really knows – there’s 20,000 brands…

{02:51:43 pm} <lakitu> a small-town coffee blogger accepted a small sugaring of free beans, monetary kickback, sister-site links for his produced confession of the best bean having been found, 10,000 of us over time scan over his site lol

{02:57:24 pm} <lakitu> I’m being more comical, in my mind, than critical. these little peccadilloes being pointed out; it’s like making fun of your little sister for her dress being way hiked up funny – some minor chuff in her style that is more risible than anything.

{03:00:08 pm} <lakitu> some minor hiccup

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{03:06:50 pm} <lakitu> some cowlick in your little brother’s hair.

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{03:07:30 pm} <lakitu> –when I was young my hair stood straight up. I looked like someone you’d nickname “Sparky”.

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{03:08:05 pm} <lakitu> – straight up. most of my pictures are with my hair as a 1, 2 year old slicked back, because of my Mom wanting it to be down for pictures

{03:08:15 pm} <lakitu> but it stood straight up.

{03:08:25 pm} <lakitu> bright blonde.

{03:08:33 pm} <lakitu> bright/white blonde.

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{03:09:27 pm} <lakitu> wb ControlFreq

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{03:09:51 pm} <lakitu> I’ll cats you up.

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{03:10:41 pm} <lakitu> (see pm.)

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{03:12:36 pm} <lakitu> wb artalien_

{03:12:43 pm} <lakitu> I’ll cats you up too!

{03:12:52 pm} <ControlFreq> I have a friend I call Sparky because I helped him design a radio.

{03:14:35 pm} <lakitu> some spark-gap element, or?

{03:14:47 pm} <lakitu> I was born with nearly a full head of hair too. the nurses attributed this to my Mom eating peanut butter as a food she craved during pregnancy.

{03:15:08 pm} <ControlFreq> Nope. On small ships, with one radio tech, he or she is usually called Sparky

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{03:15:25 pm} <lakitu> ha!

{03:17:25 pm} <lakitu> My Mom craved fish & peanut butter & pineapple, with me.

{03:18:03 pm} * lakitu makes a little cartoon of a menu in a fetus’s hands in the womb . . .

{03:18:07 pm} <lakitu> “I’ll have the fish!”

{03:20:11 pm} <lakitu> they say the omega 3s with fish are important for a carried baby’s emotional development thruout life. also prevents allergies or somesuch

{03:21:54 pm} <lakitu> (just got to avoid the species laced with methylmercury . . . )

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{03:27:54 pm} <lakitu> mbog did not have that good sternum of stamina… he hailed a lifeboat & jumped ship

{03:27:58 pm} <lakitu> wb Sioux!!

{03:28:29 pm} <lakitu> good weekend– evening, right?, for you?

{03:28:52 pm} * lakitu joking with his phrasing there

{03:28:53 pm} <lakitu> btw

{03:29:47 pm} <lakitu> a little bit of wrestling with your brother, re mbog’s lacking endurance

{03:31:29 pm} <lakitu> *intestinal fortitude* *laughing*

{03:31:48 pm} <lakitu> I think that’s what I was (playfully) thinking of

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{03:33:29 pm} * lakitu prepares some clips of big teutonic grunting & gritting, to demonstrate his approach re emanating fortitude immanently from the intestines

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{03:33:38 pm} <lakitu> from the intestine

{03:33:53 pm} <lakitu> wb Rags.

{03:35:32 pm} <Ragtime^> 10 Q lakitu

{03:35:55 pm} <lakitu> heh.

{03:36:39 pm} * lakitu in a laughy mood

{03:39:21 pm} <lakitu> (1,-2-year-old*)

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{03:43:43 pm} <lakitu> (1-, 2-year-old*)

{04:01:14 pm} * lakitu pours another espresso

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{04:16:06 pm} <*buffextras> [email protected] set mode: +v LionClan

{04:16:16 pm} <LionClan> hello

{04:16:28 pm} <lakitu> ‘ Lincoln.

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{04:28:54 pm} <lakitu> https://pastebin.com/ZaaqtrnF

{04:28:55 pm} <zhan> Mumbo-jumbo (June 26th, 2021; a scroll for Lionclan) – Pastebin.com

{04:28:58 pm} <lakitu> a scroll for you

{04:50:03 pm} <lauraaahNOpm> Hi

{04:53:27 pm} <lakitu> hey

{04:54:15 pm} * lakitu rounding up yard varmints in one of his programming modules – trying to wrap up

{04:55:01 pm} <lakitu> how are you?

{04:55:41 pm} <lakitu> up to anything this weekend day? maybe evening for you?

{04:55:49 pm} <lakitu> I guess it would probably be night

{04:56:34 pm} * lakitu scratches this chore– another time

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{05:10:40 pm} <lakitu> here is my latest dialogue: https://joevalentyn.org/press/2021/06/24/psychiatric-persecution-the-citizens-commission-on-human-rights-the-cchr-thomas-szasz-britney-spears-ovid-god-almighty/

{05:10:50 pm} <zhan> Psychiatric Persecution: The Citizens Commission on Human Rights (The CCHR), Thomas Szasz, Britney Spears, Ovid, & God Almighty ⸻ Heart, Joe Valentyn

{05:13:16 pm} <lakitu> parts ii & iii now included.

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{05:28:03 pm} <lakitu> think I’ll go & forage for some jerky from the store room.

{05:39:16 pm} <lakitu> …the abode is like a fallen angel: a man who desireth a woman from afar, while she is locketed with some scarcely deserving man. one of Life’s most common taboos is to dare to cross a line drawn by a girl’s main stang, to first begin to court her favor . . .

{05:41:43 pm} <lakitu> …the abode is ‘like a fallen angel’s*

{05:44:37 pm} <lakitu> …& her: she must feel like a First-Nations girl, caught between present & potential tribe, prances & shows of force… jerkies & pelts…

{05:47:18 pm} <artalien_> Bionic ma

{05:47:50 pm} <artalien_> Bionic man is jumpim thru the telly vision ser

{05:47:54 pm} <artalien_> set

{05:48:09 pm} <artalien_> Guess who’s coming next

{05:49:16 pm} <artalien_> man V midgie https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OrogvmBv/20210626_234854.jpg

{05:50:19 pm} * artalien_ is a victim of a cruel mother

{05:50:26 pm} <lakitu> oh no

{05:51:07 pm} <artalien_> hehe, 2 bottles of cider and I’m good to go

{05:55:27 pm} <artalien_> I had an action man that had gripping hands

{05:55:49 pm} <artalien_> I tied him to a huge elastic band and lauched him into forever

{05:57:40 pm} <lakitu> …that’s good, heheh…

{05:58:11 pm} <artalien_> https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/152770612329790710/

{05:58:12 pm} <zhan> Pin on Greatest Fictional Spacecraft

{05:58:59 pm} <artalien_> I also had one of those but a ruffin took it and covered it in snot, he was making an unconscious social statement I figure with hindsight

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{06:00:37 pm} <artalien_> https://youtu.be/GWiM6gcxKVw

{06:00:38 pm} <zhan> UFO Theme [Remastered] by DanTheMan 2150AD [1m8s – 11k views ? 203 ? 1 (99.51%) – 1.5y ago]

{06:02:13 pm} <artalien_> Now if that doesn’t make you want a hair cut you may be dead

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{06:04:38 pm} <lakitu> …a man is ‘like a religionformer, only with sacrament keepsakes, the highest ritual ethos in work, provide, keep up – mortal priestly sins & of the utmost meaningfulness: the Holy Love with his deified: his mistress. the feminine member of this does not disappoint – granting him assuages to what riddles him – sapient teachings, even – ecstatic Divine experiences, & a whole code of ethics to carry & key himself to . . .

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{06:24:00 pm} <lakitu> a little like a uncontacted tribe member spiritualizing their special divinity.

{06:27:37 pm} <lakitu> …their higher power…

{06:28:58 pm} <LionClan> https://boredomtherapy.com/buzz-aldrin-moon-landing-photo

{06:28:59 pm} <zhan> Buzz Aldrin Opens Up With The Real Story About The Iconic Moon Landing Photo

{06:34:48 pm} <LionClan> I’m sure they went into low earth orbit I believe that part of the story

{06:35:17 pm} <LionClan> The rest of it, not so much.

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{06:42:55 pm} <lakitu> & so it is a great malevolence – *to him* – for another man to broach offering himself to her, perhaps a hope of a tryst where they can be alone, deep in the subtext of his song before her; some gleam that, almost always to the devout man’s surprise, his Highest commutes the offense of, showing a conciliatory sign to the two: an adorer, not an enemy… an adorer, not an enemy… but for men such is outside them, they do not soak in the

{06:42:55 pm} <lakitu> salts of comforting, of soothing, of curing odium & grief

{06:44:58 pm} <Ragtime^> Trump is the most interesting person in politics.

{06:52:40 pm} <lakitu> so a befuddled man in sin is beguiled as the suitor eagerly claims his gains, the Precious not guarding her responses to receiving the affections of two admirers in one court, knowing the violatory instincts toward other suitors of her longtime dedicated.

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{07:14:08 pm} <lakitu> & vignettes like this are the only breathing room a man doing the spywork of persuading a girl to come to his side; a 5-word summary of fiscal splendors, earning potential – a sultry look in your best ‘cut, best raiments – a supposedly-ambient song especially adolescent men mean the world by . . . & such espionage is by one not ultimately respectful & weary to the main stang’s perturbability – her supper conversation were it to come up

{07:14:08 pm} <lakitu> – his own crassness at the handling of such a little baby-bird romance in a potentially tumultuous affair such as when you’re doing this: broaching the lines drawn by a winsome Diviness’s heavily-armed stang; cover is light, moments are fleeting, opportunities are expensive, rapport with people in her party is countervailing. but is a labor of Love.

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{07:35:10 pm} <rzewski> secret channel now?

{07:35:22 pm} <MartyMcFly> Trump is responosible for 600,000 deaths

{07:35:22 pm} <rzewski> is too much reality sneaking into your delusional safe space

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{07:57:43 pm} <LionClan> hi John Guru

{07:58:31 pm} <JohnGuru> hi LionClan

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{08:02:42 pm} <kblom> hi john

{08:03:19 pm} <JohnGuru> it’s been a somewhat arduous day here. Gray, at times windy, and rain rain rain, lots of rain. Sinus congestion, adding a certain amount of labour to the general dreariness

{08:04:05 pm} <JohnGuru> the nice thing about this hour is that it brings a sense of normalness

{08:04:40 pm} <JohnGuru> routine suggests everything is okay/. By having a routine, we are encouraged to think the world will go on forever

{08:04:44 pm} <LionClan> I use Alka Seltzer Cold and Flu for nasal congestion. Doesn’t spike your blood pressure like some antihistamines.

{08:05:07 pm} <JohnGuru> oh, I think I may have that, LionClan. I will try it

{08:05:14 pm} <JohnGuru> I bought it and then never opened the package

{08:05:30 pm} <JohnGuru> I always liked Alka Seltzer, though

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{08:06:22 pm} <LionClan> Sinus congestion can interfere with sleep, so I take that before my naps

{08:06:29 pm} <JohnGuru> *nods*

{08:06:35 pm} <JohnGuru> yeah

{08:07:07 pm} <JohnGuru> I use Diphenhydramine. It’s cheap when bought in the generic form, by name

{08:07:24 pm} <JohnGuru> and the main ingredient of most antihistamine OTC’s

{08:07:32 pm} <LionClan> Please stop.

{08:07:47 pm} <JohnGuru> what? why?

{08:08:24 pm} <LionClan> If you tell your doctor, do you know what he would tell you? He would tell you please stop

{08:08:36 pm} <JohnGuru> oh I don’t think so

{08:08:54 pm} <JohnGuru> I think he’s the one who suggested it to me

{08:08:57 pm} <MartyMcFly> circadian rythym the sign of the blind watchmaker perhaps

{08:09:22 pm} <MartyMcFly> newtonian clockwork universe

{08:09:41 pm} <kblom> they had a cartoon character ‘Speedy’

{08:10:37 pm} <JohnGuru> Newton’s clockwork universe dominted science & philosophy for 250 years

{08:10:56 pm} <JohnGuru> but then it passed away when science shifted the ground to statistics

{08:11:19 pm} <LionClan> Newton told the world about his solar observations, in particular the apparent position is behind the actual position

{08:11:27 pm} <MartyMcFly> logic and order in the universe is comforting

{08:11:33 pm} <JohnGuru> the average person is still living in the shadow of Newton’s image

{08:11:47 pm} <JohnGuru> sure it is

{08:12:39 pm} <JohnGuru> statistics is used to explain why the universe looks deterministic ;)

{08:13:17 pm} <JohnGuru> it’s so — counterintuitive

{08:14:18 pm} <JohnGuru> Marty, if you would do the honors tonight. Lead the discussion. I can take a break

{08:14:44 pm} <JohnGuru> I think you can do it

{08:15:21 pm} <MartyMcFly> thanks, what topic should we do?

{08:15:47 pm} <JohnGuru> free will

{08:15:52 pm} <JohnGuru> or big bang theory

{08:16:08 pm} <JohnGuru> or ethics, what is the foundation of ethics

{08:16:29 pm} <MartyMcFly> order vs chaos

{08:16:37 pm} <JohnGuru> automation. Are we digging our collective grave with robots?

{08:16:45 pm} <JohnGuru> sure, order vs. chaos. I’m fine with that

{08:17:06 pm} <MartyMcFly> bbiab

{08:17:48 pm} <JohnGuru> maybe order is a particular flavor of chaos

{08:17:53 pm} <MartyMcFly> need a bite

{08:17:54 pm} <kblom> I believe kant would disapprove of the role of probability and statistics in modern science

{08:18:11 pm} <JohnGuru> kblom lol, you think so?

{08:18:31 pm} <kblom> john yes

{08:18:33 pm} <JohnGuru> that’s not much of a speculation, kblom mydear

{08:19:17 pm} <JohnGuru> Kant’s work was very much in the direction of finding the ground of things. He wanted the apodictic

{08:19:57 pm} <JohnGuru> I even bought his thin little book, the Ground of ..

{08:20:10 pm} <kblom> the apodeiptic

{08:20:38 pm} <JohnGuru> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundwork_of_the_Metaphysic_of_Morals

{08:20:38 pm} <zhan> Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals (1785; German: Grundlegung zur Metaphysik der Sitten; also known as the Foundations of the Metaphysics of Morals, Grounding of the Metaphysics of Morals, and the Grounding for the Metaphysics of Morals) is the first of Immanuel Kant’s mature works on moral philosophy and remains one of the most influential in the field.

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{08:21:46 pm} <JohnGuru> so. yes.

{08:21:55 pm} <JohnGuru> hey nine, oh nine oh

{08:22:32 pm} <JohnGuru> ap·o·dic·tic

{08:22:33 pm} <JohnGuru> Learn to pronounce

{08:22:33 pm} <JohnGuru> adjectiveFORMAL

{08:22:33 pm} <JohnGuru> clearly established or beyond dispute.

{08:22:45 pm} <kblom> is that where he says science must be apodeictically certain?

{08:23:03 pm} <JohnGuru> uh, I don’t think so

{08:23:18 pm} <JohnGuru> unless it snuck in as a very brief mention

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{08:24:02 pm} <nine> hey JohnGuru

{08:24:09 pm} <nine> sorry, kinda crazy here

{08:24:31 pm} <nine> i watched that Logical positivism video today

{08:24:35 pm} <nine> i didn’t understand any of it

{08:24:37 pm} <JohnGuru> oh yes?

{08:24:41 pm} <JohnGuru> oh no

{08:25:03 pm} <nine> well, i’m not that good at understanding a couple of brits saying all that stuff

{08:25:31 pm} <JohnGuru> damn. I wish I could help, but I have no idea what trips you up

{08:25:35 pm} <nine> can you nut-shell it for me?

{08:25:55 pm} <nine> i mean, he seemed to be talking about some book he wrote and how the world took it

{08:25:58 pm} <nine> i got that i guess

{08:25:59 pm} <nine> a little

{08:26:04 pm} <JohnGuru> logical positivism started as a movement to clean up philosophy

{08:26:15 pm} <nine> i understood already that they want everything to be proven

{08:26:22 pm} <nine> like… scientifically, i guess

{08:26:23 pm} <JohnGuru> that’s right

{08:26:34 pm} <JohnGuru> nothing should be held to be true unless it could be demonstrated

{08:27:08 pm} <JohnGuru> if I wanted to assert that that woman (pointing) and I are married, there should be a way to demonstrte that it must be true

{08:27:22 pm} <nine> a piece of paper maybe

{08:27:27 pm} <JohnGuru> obviously, holding up a marriage certificate would not do it, because that’s a claim by authority

{08:27:32 pm} <nine> does that really prove anything? right

{08:28:05 pm} <nine> i dunno what it even means to “be married” anymore

{08:28:14 pm} <nine> something legal

{08:28:25 pm} <nine> something that can affect reality by rule of law

{08:28:38 pm} <JohnGuru> on the other hand, the act of marriage does not make any changes in the body, so there’s no way to determine marriage by physical inspection

{08:29:05 pm} <JohnGuru> thus, logical positivists would determine that marriage is a meaningless concept, and they would root it out of our discourse

{08:29:15 pm} <kblom> positivism is like the meaning of a proposition is its method of verification

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{08:30:10 pm} <JohnGuru> *nods*

{08:30:47 pm} <JohnGuru> nine, that’s an example of the main reason why logical positivism failed. It sounded good in principle, but it ws like falling on your sword to cute a head cold

{08:30:49 pm} <JohnGuru> cure

{08:31:07 pm} <nine> heh

{08:31:15 pm} <JohnGuru> it nullified too much of the world we live in

{08:31:15 pm} <kblom> john russell and wittgenstein were both great logical posivists

{08:31:20 pm} <nine> yeah, even the guy didn’t seem to have much faith in it

{08:31:23 pm} <nine> the interviewee

{08:31:29 pm} <JohnGuru> right

{08:31:52 pm} <Ragtime^> That was a great speech.

{08:32:00 pm} <JohnGuru> kblom, I know everybody says wittgenstein was a positivist, but I don’t agree. I don’t think he was. He had a strong mystical streak in him

{08:32:00 pm} <nine> grr

{08:32:01 pm} <nine> brb

{08:33:01 pm} <JohnGuru> he was eminently capable of describing the world as a logical positivist would see it, and that’s mostly what he did in the Tractatus, but he also broke with it in that same writing

{08:33:17 pm} <JohnGuru> for example,

{08:33:20 pm} <JohnGuru> “6.41 The sense of the world must lie outside the world. In the world everything is as it is, and everything happens as it does happen: in it no value exists–and if it did exist, it would have no value.” — Tractatus

{08:34:05 pm} <JohnGuru> so you might ask how Wittgenstein thought value entered the question, if it’s not “in” the world

{08:34:57 pm} <JohnGuru> and there’s also

{08:35:00 pm} <JohnGuru> “6.372 Thus people today stop at the laws of nature, treating them as something inviolable, just as God and Fate were treated in past ages. And in fact both are right and both wrong: though the view of the ancients is clearer in so far as they have a clear and acknowledged terminus, while the modern system tries to make it look as if everything were explained.” — Wittgenstein, Tractatus

{08:35:49 pm} <JohnGuru> “5.43 Even at first sight it seems scarcely credible that there should follow from one fact p infinitely many others , namely ~~p, ~~~~p, etc. And it is no less remarkable that the infinite number of propositions of logic (mathematics) follow from half a dozen ‘primitive propositions’. But in fact all the propositions of logic say the same thing, to wit nothing.” — Tractatus

{08:36:01 pm} <JohnGuru> dismisses mathematics with one wave of the hand

{08:36:49 pm} <JohnGuru> okay, sorry. wb MartyMcFly

{08:36:51 pm} <nine> i don’t understand that last statement

{08:37:10 pm} <JohnGuru> nine, ~ is a symbol meaning ‘not’

{08:37:25 pm} <JohnGuru> so you have p, and not not p, and not not not not p

{08:37:34 pm} <nine> pppp

{08:37:42 pm} <JohnGuru> *nods*

{08:38:57 pm} <nine> i dunno if i like philosophy anymore

{08:39:16 pm} <nine> is there any of it that makes sense?

{08:39:45 pm} <JohnGuru> well, it all makes sense to me

{08:40:04 pm} <Ragtime^> nine: If you start with Plato, it makes sense.

{08:40:08 pm} <JohnGuru> there’s a lot I disagree with ..

{08:40:17 pm} <nine> i should probably just stick to what’s in front of me.

{08:40:32 pm} <nine> ooh is val

{08:40:36 pm} <nine> no, he’s not here

{08:40:54 pm} <JohnGuru> valet_zwiiii?

{08:41:16 pm} <nine> btw my first novel is available in paperback format on Barnes-n-Noble’s website

{08:41:18 pm} <JohnGuru> haven’t seen him in a couple of days

{08:41:25 pm} <nine> ahh

{08:41:26 pm} <nine> ok

{08:41:40 pm} <JohnGuru> okay, thanks nine. I’ll check it out

{08:41:54 pm} <JohnGuru> is it available for kindle?

{08:42:06 pm} <nine> ya, let me get the link

{08:42:55 pm} <lakitu> & a new, baby-bird romance is itself a deep topic.

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> Get Plunk now!

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> e-book

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> https://books2read.com/u/b5kEAp

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> paperback

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/plunc-domnul-tesh/1138706487?ean=9781735820224

{08:43:36 pm} <lakitu> for a new mother & child, it is a the mother’s most special time; all care & coddling is lavished on her bundle of Holy Beauty & all-consuming Lovability;

{08:43:37 pm} <zhan> Available now at your favorite digital store!

{08:43:38 pm} <zhan> Plunc|Paperback

{08:43:45 pm} <nine> oops i coppied too much

{08:43:48 pm} <JohnGuru> thanks nine

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{08:44:02 pm} <nine> :)

{08:44:10 pm} <nine> valet wants to read it

{08:45:32 pm} <JohnGuru> who is Domnul Tesh?

{08:46:18 pm} <nine> Domnul means “mister” in romanian

{08:46:25 pm} <nine> TESH is my initials

{08:46:27 pm} <JohnGuru> oh!

{08:46:37 pm} <nine> i was in love with a romanian for a long time

{08:46:42 pm} <JohnGuru> that’s clever, so you have a nom de plum without revealing your name

{08:46:50 pm} <nine> hehe

{08:46:52 pm} <nine> yeah

{08:46:52 pm} <kblom> never heard of Domnul Tesh

{08:46:57 pm} <nine> HE is ME

{08:47:14 pm} <nine> i was so disappointed to find that I was not the only Tesh out there

{08:47:24 pm} <nine> there are a couple of women with that name, and one man.

{08:47:28 pm} <nine> (so far)+

{08:48:27 pm} <JohnGuru> I’ll see if we can keep it simple, nine

{08:48:45 pm} <nine> keep what simple?

{08:48:47 pm} <JohnGuru> there’s no need to push here into professional philo

{08:48:57 pm} <nine> huh?

{08:49:08 pm} <JohnGuru> well, you said you don’t like philosophy

{08:49:18 pm} <nine> well, i wouldn’t go that far

{08:49:27 pm} <nine> i loved the stuff about kant’s glasses

{08:49:31 pm} <nine> and a lot of other things here

{08:49:48 pm} <nine> i probably was exaggerating earlier

{08:49:54 pm} <JohnGuru> good :)

{08:50:05 pm} <nine> :D

{08:50:29 pm} <JohnGuru> I’ve been glad that there’s at least one channel regular who likes phiosophy

{08:50:38 pm} <nine> hah

{08:50:42 pm} <nine> i think there’s more than one

{08:50:49 pm} <nine> there’re?

{08:51:23 pm} <JohnGuru> well, I know kblom likes science

{08:51:41 pm} <nine> science suxors

{08:51:44 pm} <nine> heheh

{08:52:11 pm} <nine> ok, i’ll stop trolling now

{08:52:14 pm} <JohnGuru> I respect science, but it’s a very shallow subject

{08:52:20 pm} <nine> oh?

{08:52:38 pm} <nine> i mean, i think so, too, but probably for different reasons

{08:53:03 pm} <JohnGuru> it only goes skin deep. It attends to the visible, the demonstrable. Like we were saying about logical positivism, it tries to eliminate everything else

{08:53:31 pm} <nine> Mmm

{08:53:51 pm} <JohnGuru> Richard Rorty realized that science doesn’t necessarily exclude mysticism. He had a great lecture on youtube about the compatibility between religion and science

{08:54:48 pm} <nine> sounds like that dude and that other dude who are always arguing arguing.

{08:54:58 pm} <JohnGuru> yeah

{08:55:01 pm} <nine> i hate that my memory is so bad

{08:55:05 pm} <nine> you know who i mean?

{08:55:08 pm} <JohnGuru> mw roo

{08:55:10 pm} <JohnGuru> me too

{08:55:12 pm} <JohnGuru> no

{08:55:22 pm} <nine> imma find it

{09:00:36 pm} <JohnGuru> Dawkins?

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> brb

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> no

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> one’s kinda religious

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> the other not

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> I think I know who you mean

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> Christopher Hitchins and Ben somebody

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> they’re always arguing on youtube

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> nah… i’m still looking

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> one starts with a J

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> the other is religious

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> I’ve forgotten his name. He irritates the spit outa me, though

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> jordan peterson

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> and the other guy is religious

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> oh him

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> jordan peterson is interesting on religious topics but otherwise useless

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> i liked his assessment of how monkeys became men

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> or something

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> i should shut pu

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> up

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> oh yeah?

{09:00:37 pm} <kblom> every Ted Talks I heard on NPR was utterly devoid of content

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> lol nine

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> kblom, I gave up on TED talks long time ago

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> my time is up

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> gnight all

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> g’nite john

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> hey, you doing alright?

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{09:00:37 pm} <nine> guess so

{09:00:40 pm} <nine> hehe

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{09:00:55 pm} <kblom> bye john

{09:05:16 pm} <lakitu> for an enthusiastic romancer of a new courtship, there is nothing greater. all ships revolve around this locus; all roads lead to romance. he is in a state of having just struck gold – counseled by all his strengthy tendencies to be guarded – but sapping a rapturous syrup deeprooted within him, & ‘like an archer called to the games, a performance artist looking to land his every assail, to slay the goliath beast of her ignorance of him,

{09:05:16 pm} <lakitu> of the battlefield’s rumors against him, of his weaknesses for which he must compensate in her eyes. his conduct must be perfect, & uglinesses pain acutely at this time. he takes his pouches of risk & reward, balancing them for his best showmanship. she is ‘like an infant – & just ‘like a child not always the willingest – in his constant tending to her every desire – gathering the special woods for the special fires she, often enough

{09:05:16 pm} <lakitu> unspokenly, has interest in having for herself. riches require entrepreneurial research, nearly vain displays of demonstrating his compact with her, the realness of his word, the fervence of his foundry for her. power must flow thru the veins of – in challenges even encroaching on his sovereignty, his manhood. decorum, sobriety, elegance are like kings in your two’s class, making in her eyes a probably neverending ascent of the ladder of

{09:05:16 pm} <lakitu> society into higher-society. her tamping of the dream of fame she could eat the fruit of is a bittersweet thing to procure – he is not alone in her fame, but she is Beautiful, attractive, the most graceful to him, & if he has high enough hopes, he may alight her imagination with the potential of fame being bestowed on her.

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{09:06:30 pm} <valet_zwiiii> hya

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{09:07:58 pm} <lakitu> {09:07:24 pm} valet_zwiiii!*@* added to ignore list.

{09:08:07 pm} <lakitu> we get too many trolls.

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{09:11:07 pm} <lakitu> {“manhood” corrected to “manliness”:} for an enthusiastic romancer of a new courtship, there is nothing greater. all ships revolve around this locus; all roads lead to romance. he is in a state of having just struck gold – counseled by all his strengthy tendencies to be guarded – but sapping a rapturous syrup deeprooted within him, & ‘like an archer called to the games, a performance artist looking to land his every assail, to slay the

{09:11:07 pm} <lakitu> goliath beast of her ignorance of him, of the battlefield’s rumors against him, of his weaknesses for which he must compensate in her eyes. his conduct must be perfect, & uglinesses pain acutely at this time. he takes his pouches of risk & reward, balancing them for his best showmanship. she is ‘like an infant – & just ‘like a child not always the willingest – in his constant tending to her every desire – gathering the special woods for

{09:11:07 pm} <lakitu> the special fires she, often enough unspokenly, has interest in having for herself. riches require entrepreneurial research, nearly vain displays of demonstrating his compact with her, the realness of his word, the fervence of his foundry for her. power must flow thru the veins of – in challenges even encroaching on his sovereignty, his manliness. decorum, sobriety, elegance are like kings in your two’s class, making in her eyes a

{09:11:07 pm} <lakitu> probably neverending ascent of the ladder of society into higher-society. her tamping of the dream of fame she could eat the fruit of is a bittersweet thing to procure – he is not alone in her fame, but she is Beautiful, attractive, the most graceful to him, & if he has high enough hopes, he may alight her imagination with the potential of fame being bestowed on her.

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{09:19:39 pm} <Fixion> hey all, just thought I’d drop in and say hi anyway, since I’m clearly too late for the usual JG fiasco :)

{09:19:48 pm} <LionClan> hi Fixion

{09:19:58 pm} <Fixion> (note I was kidding about the whole fiasco thing)

{09:19:59 pm} <LionClan> Just missed him

{09:20:24 pm} <Fixion> so how’s things?

{09:20:52 pm} <Fixion> Valet of course not its IRC how would I see you?

{09:20:53 pm} <LionClan> hi zwiiii

{09:21:18 pm} <LionClan> Don’t let anyone make you give up metaphors

{09:22:08 pm} <Fixion> LC I find it can be enjoyable taking them literally instead at times

{09:22:44 pm} <LionClan> Speak literally when you are talking to someone that has a different native language.

{09:23:02 pm} <LionClan> That works very well.

{09:23:40 pm} <LionClan> Then you are fluent in English

{09:24:33 pm} <LionClan> The statement was meant to be provocative

{09:25:45 pm} <LionClan> Flemish Knights moved to Scotland and became Barons

{09:25:46 pm} <Fixion> the ground when you’re doing a handstand? (although scientifically speaking thats technically untrue given that up is relative to a centrifugal (or was it centripetal?) force…

{09:26:38 pm} <Fixion> Flemish? it sounds like perhaps you need to clear your throat?

{09:27:56 pm} <LionClan> Eggs butter milk cheese are good English, and good friese.

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{09:29:56 pm} <Fixion> the only thing I remember about dutch is its kinda similar in some ways to German but definitely opposite with its V’s and W’s… Germans have VolksVagons and Dutch have WolksWagons… or something like that..

{09:29:58 pm} <lakitu> & I myself, in telling this, did not avoid being a man: he & I both think of the big wins – she is looking for signs of a steady spigot more than a huge power-generating waterfall for her longer-term interest– there is an old joke about sex: men are firefighters & women are lawyers– but of course this can be quite the joy in a woman’s life, a man’s lavishing her with attention, eager & almost overeager to perform for her cravings,

{09:29:58 pm} <lakitu> desires, interests, even piqued curiosities – & this leads to one of the center rubies of my book, this dialogue will feature in: to answer the call of Love, which is this: to drink deep of the fountain of youth of immortal courting, & never leave that heaven of your Love.