I am lakitu, here (Joe (Jerome) Valentyn):

{12:45:07 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> interesting kblom. i know you don’t say such lightly
{12:45:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> good morning – & also fattratt, MDeanr`, et al
{12:45:56 pm (CDT):} <MDeanr`> hi lakitu
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{12:46:47 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> how are you Dean?
{12:47:31 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i hope well
{12:48:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> so did you run a practice against COVID, & everything else, all this time?
{12:48:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> if you want to say
{12:50:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> maybe you want to relive that even less
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{12:50:50 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> wb chip.
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{12:51:11 pm (CDT):} <fattratt> hello lakitu
{12:51:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> fattrattia
{12:51:30 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> heh heh heh
{12:51:33 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> hope you’re well
{12:51:51 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> saw you linking Wagner, discussing him
{12:51:59 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> also some Reid, & a little Hume
{12:53:29 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> linking or at least discussing
{12:54:32 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> have you ever tried reddit, fattratt? the people’s site?
{12:54:53 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> it’s kind of nice, finally letting myself dig into it more than a little,
{12:54:58 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> last nite.
{12:55:23 pm (CDT):} <fattratt> Is it truly the people’s site?
{12:55:39 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘is it *truly*?’ – good question
{12:55:44 pm (CDT):} <fattratt> Not some fiefdom of Zuckerberg or anyone like that?
{12:56:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> gal, well. i did look even this up, once
{12:57:14 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i try to make friends before i make enemies… i’ll leave you to your own conclusions, for now
{12:57:27 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> – but i will say there is a lot to like
{12:58:19 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> many alternative big sites are, as you say, owned by Zuckerberg, et al
{12:58:32 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> Instagram, e.g
{12:58:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> buy outs.
{01:00:23 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .wiki fiefdom
{01:00:46 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> 411 ‘smoking in the bathroom.
{01:01:12 pm (CDT):} <`411> “A fief (/fiːf/; Latin: feudum) was the central element of feudalism. It consisted of heritable property or rights granted by an overlord to a vassal who held it in fealty (or ‘in fee’) in return for a form of feudal allegiance and service, usually given by the personal ceremonies of homage and fealty. The fees were often lands or revenue-producing real property held in feudal land tenure: these are typically (…)”
{01:01:17 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fief
{01:03:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> what is the winning end game against feudalism? how does it end well?
{01:03:42 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> not say violent revolution, etc
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{01:11:25 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> [13:03:16] <@lakitu> what is the winning end game against feudalism? how does it end well?
{01:11:25 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> [13:03:39] <@lakitu> not say violent revolution, etc
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{01:19:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> *money, social status, power.* these huge leitmotivs reoccuring thruout Life.
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{01:21:47 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> part of the philosophy of life, for me – in part
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{01:22:16 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> part of the philosophy of life, for me.
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{01:23:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i distinguish fame from social status, but pair them, in listings.
{01:24:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (& of course infamy is not fame, for me)
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{01:29:12 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety status
{01:29:15 pm (CDT):} <`411> “1670s, ‘height’ of a situation or condition, later ‘legal standing of a person’ (1791), from Latin status ‘condition, position, state, manner, attitude,’ from past participle stem of stare ‘to stand,’ from PIE *ste-tu-, from root *sta- ‘to stand, make or be firm.’ Sense of ‘standing in one’s society or profession’ is from 1820. Status symbol first recorded 1955; status-seeker from 1956. Status-anxiety (…)
{01:29:17 pm (CDT):} <`411> is from 1959.”
{01:29:19 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/status
{01:29:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> oo, nice language.
{01:30:05 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> interesting. from 1820, only.
{01:30:23 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> maybe not the firmest rock, to build on.
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{01:31:21 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> 200 years ago is all. we did not have this in society before?
{01:34:00 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> what would we say, rank?
{01:34:17 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> or is that more official, officious – etc?
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{01:34:26 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> formal, at least – ?
{01:34:29 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> hmm
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{01:35:57 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> class?
{01:36:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> or is that a very wide net?
{01:36:15 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘there are three social classes’, etc
{01:36:20 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> – ?
{01:36:27 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> class, maybe.
{01:37:22 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> is one more male, the other more for females? by connotation?
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{01:39:35 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> [13:35:55] <@lakitu> class? [13:36:00] <@lakitu> or is that a very wide net? [13:36:13] <@lakitu> ‘there are three social classes’, etc [13:36:18] <@lakitu> – ? [13:36:25] <@lakitu> class, maybe. [13:37:20] <@lakitu> is one more male, the other more for females? by connotation?
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{01:40:14 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety class
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{01:40:39 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety class
{01:42:23 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> status to me connotes this sociological, empirically-verifiable evidence, class is a little more open ended, but it has come to be identified with political economics, namely (here, today,) middle class, upper class, etc
{01:42:51 pm (CDT):} <`411> “c. 1600, ‘group of students,’ in U. S. especially ‘number of pupils in a school or college of the same grade,’ from French classe (14c.), from Latin classis ‘a class, a division; army, fleet,’ especially ‘any one of the six orders into which Servius Tullius divided the Roman people for the purpose of taxation;’ traditionally originally ‘the people of Rome under arms’ (a sense attested in English from (…)
{01:42:57 pm (CDT):} <`411> 1650s), and thus akin to calare ‘to call (to arms),’ from PIE root *kele- (2) ‘to shout.’ In early use in English also in Latin form classis. Meaning ‘an order or rank of persons, a number of persons having certain characteristics in common’ is from 1660s. School and university sense of ‘course, lecture’ (1650s) is from the notion of a form or lecture reserved to scholars who had attained a certain (…)
{01:43:04 pm (CDT):} <`411> “c. 1600, ‘group of students,’ in U. S. especially ‘number of pupils in a school or college of the same grade,’ from French classe (14c.), from Latin classis ‘a class, a division; army, fleet,’ especially ‘any one of the six orders into which Servius Tullius divided the Roman people for the purpose of taxation;’ traditionally originally ‘the people of Rome under arms’ (a sense attested in English from (…)
{01:43:12 pm (CDT):} <`411> level. Natural history sense ‘group of related plants or animals’ is from 1753. Meaning ‘high quality’ is from 1874. Meaning ‘a division of society according to status’ (with upper, lower, etc.) is from 1763. Class-consciousness (1903) is from German Klassenbewusst. The fault, the evil, in a class society is when privilege exists without responsibility and duty. The evil of the classless society is that (…)
{01:43:21 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> repeating.
{01:43:22 pm (CDT):} <`411> 1650s), and thus akin to calare ‘to call (to arms),’ from PIE root *kele- (2) ‘to shout.’ In early use in English also in Latin form classis. Meaning ‘an order or rank of persons, a number of persons having certain characteristics in common’ is from 1660s. School and university sense of ‘course, lecture’ (1650s) is from the notion of a form or lecture reserved to scholars who had attained a certain (…)
{01:43:27 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/class
{01:43:30 pm (CDT):} <`411> level. Natural history sense ‘group of related plants or animals’ is from 1753. Meaning ‘high quality’ is from 1874. Meaning ‘a division of society according to status’ (with upper, lower, etc.) is from 1763. Class-consciousness (1903) is from German Klassenbewusst. The fault, the evil, in a class society is when privilege exists without responsibility and duty. The evil of the classless society is that (…)
{01:43:34 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/class
{01:45:09 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> of course i’m pointing out flaws in using these words this way – re economic ‘classes’ which are popular now to be spoken of.
{01:45:27 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i guess one way of referring to this would be ‘high society’
{01:45:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> – as an adjective, ‘high-society’
{01:47:48 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> we seldom distinguish wealth from social status, in our language: ‘upper class’ means rich, & it also means refined, pedigreed
{01:47:53 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> of a high pedigree*
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{01:48:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> the distinction is not made (most often).
{01:50:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> to be rich & ignoble would be some kind of unmentionable embarrassment.
{01:51:07 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> some kind of unmentionability.
{01:51:12 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> or unmentionable.
{01:51:27 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (((some kind of unmentionable.)))
{01:54:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> a dysfunctional black sheep of the family who was an exception, rather than characteristic of upper class families
{01:56:59 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> nobility is another word that occured to me, in this synonym ring. i would then comment that it may be preponderantly masculine, also, or itself, at least in its connotation to me
{01:57:40 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> if we were to include it.
{01:58:19 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> again semi-official, official, etc
{01:58:40 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> in Europe they may have a more sentimental– & unspoken– affinity for ‘nobility’ tho
{01:58:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> they/you
{01:59:43 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> semi-official, official, in one meaning of it
{02:00:09 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> probably the public face of it, tho that doesn’t mean the best & most meaningful sense
{02:00:32 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety nobility
{02:00:41 pm (CDT):} <`411> “mid-14c., nobilite, ‘honor, renown; majesty, grandeur;’ late 14c., ‘quality of being excellent or rare,’ from Old French nobilite ‘high rank; dignity, grace; great deed’ (12c., Modern French nobilité), and directly from Latin nobilitatem (nominative nobilitas) ‘celebrity, fame; high birth; excellence, superiority; the nobles,’ from nobilis ‘well-known, prominent’ (see noble (adj.)). Meaning ‘quality of (…)
{02:00:45 pm (CDT):} <`411> being of noble rank or birth; social or political preeminence, usually accompanied by hereditary privilege’ is attested from late 14c.; sense of ‘the noble class collectively’ is from late 14c. Sense of ‘dignity of mind, elevation of the soul, loftiness of tone’ is from 1590s.”
{02:00:47 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/nobility
{02:03:10 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘honor’ is a great association to make here – probably originating in time immemorial
{02:03:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> & ‘dignity’ might be the or a raw, arecognized form. {sic} (without reference to recognition).
{02:04:13 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (without reference to recognition.)
{02:05:00 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> you could be poor, cupping for water, but still be within yourself in a way that has very high dignity.
{02:05:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> these are their own huge ‘leitmotivs’, in the sense above, thruout history
{02:05:56 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘honor’, ‘dignity’– & so on
{02:07:56 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety pedigree
{02:07:59 pm (CDT):} <`411> “early 15c., pedigrue, ‘genealogical table or chart,’ from Anglo-French pe de gru, a variant of Old French pied de gru ‘foot of a crane,’ from Latin pedem accusative of pes ‘foot’ (from PIE root *ped- ‘foot’) + gruem (nominative grus) ‘crane,’ cognate with Greek geranos, Old English cran; see crane (n.)). On old manuscripts, ‘descent’ was indicated by a forked sign resembling the branching lines of a (…)
{02:08:05 pm (CDT):} <`411> genealogical chart; the sign also happened to look like a bird’s footprint. On this theory the form was influenced in Middle English by association with degree. This explanation dates back to Skeat and Sweet in the late 1800s. The word obviously is of French origin, and pied de gru is the only Old French term answering to the earliest English forms, but this sense is not attested in Old French (Modern (…)
{02:08:11 pm (CDT):} <`411> French pédigree is from English). Perhaps it was a fanciful extension developed in Anglo-French. Other explanations are considered untenable. The crane was at the time in question very common in England and France, and it figures in many similes, proverbs, and allusions. The term appears to be extant in the surname Pettigrew, Pettygrew …. [Century Dictionary] Meaning ‘ancestral line’ is mid-15c.; of (…)
{02:08:13 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/pedigree
{02:11:26 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .dictionary pedigree
{02:11:27 pm (CDT):} <`411> § noun: 1. A chart, list, or record of ancestors, to show breeding, especially distinguished breeding. [from 15th c.]; 2. A person’s ancestral history; ancestry, lineage. [from 15th c.]; 3. (uncou.) Good breeding or ancestry. [from 15th c.]; 4. The history or provenance of an idea, custom etc. [from 16th c.]; 5. The (…) — from https://en.wiktionary.org/?title=pedigree
{02:12:16 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> meaning (3).
{02:13:11 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> meaning*/sense.
{02:13:38 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (a couple posts above.)
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{02:15:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety noble
{02:15:07 pm (CDT):} <`411> “c. 1200, ‘illustrious, distinguished, of high rank or birth,’ from Old French noble ‘of noble bearing or birth,’ from Latin nobilis ‘well-known, famous, renowned; excellent, superior, splendid; high-born, of superior birth,’ earlier *gnobilis, literally ‘knowable,’ from gnoscere ‘to come to know,’ from PIE root *gno- ‘to know.’ The prominent Roman families, which were ‘well known,’ provided most of the (…)
{02:15:13 pm (CDT):} <`411> Republic’s public officials. Sense of ‘distinguished by splendor, magnificence, or stateliness’ is from late 13c. Meaning ‘worthy of honor or respect ‘ is from mid-14c. Sense of ‘having lofty character, having high moral qualities’ is from c. 1600. Noble savage is ‘primitive man conceived of as morally superior to civilized man;’ the phrase itself is from Dryden; the idea developed in the 18c. I am as (…)
{02:15:18 pm (CDT):} <`411> free as Nature first made Man,Ere the base Laws of Servitude began,When wild in Woods the noble Savage ran.[Dryden, ‘Conquest of Granada,’ 1672] A noble gas (1902) is so called for its inactivity or inertness; a use of the word that had been applied in Middle English to precious stones, metals, etc., that did not alter or oxidize when exposed to air (late 14c.), with noble in the sense of ‘having (…)
{02:15:20 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/noble
{02:16:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> knowable…
{02:16:55 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> wow . . .
{02:17:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu>
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{02:37:39 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> women– being perfect– are so consumed by being high-society – by pedigree (good breeding), having class, true nobility, (social) status, fame.
{02:38:21 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> nobility*, i will say, rather
{02:40:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> in Casanova’s Europe, this was in fine form. reading Casanova is featherstuffed with references to high society
{02:41:12 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> – as is Ovid consumed by high society, in his “Loves”, etc. (be sure to read the J. Lewis May translation, I recommend.)
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{03:16:17 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> both nursing the hidden disfigurement simply of being men, haha, in this. being one of women’s realms as it is.
{03:23:00 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> high society. class. dignity. grace. graciousness. pedigree, good breeding. rank, status. fame. elegance.
{03:25:08 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> …Ovid was an “elegist”,
{03:25:27 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> one of his only memorable descriptions of himself, for me
{03:25:52 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> if you asked ‘what he was’, that: an elegist.
{03:27:23 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (* one of his only memorable descriptions of himself, for me.)
{03:30:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety elegance
{03:30:36 pm (CDT):} <`411> “c. 1500, ‘tastefulness, correctness, harmoniousness, refinement,’ of speech or prose, from Middle French élégance, from Latin elegantia ‘taste, propriety, refinement,’ from elegantem (see elegant). Earlier form was elegancy (early 15c.). Meaning ‘refined luxury’ is from 1797. Via French come German Eleganz, Swedish elegans, etc.”
{03:30:38 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/elegance
{03:32:05 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> taste.
{03:33:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> taste… – & let’s see: elegant:
{03:33:35 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .ety elegant
{03:33:39 pm (CDT):} <`411> “late 15c., ‘tastefully ornate,’ from Middle French élégant (15c.), from Latin elegantem (nominative elegans) ‘choice, fine, tasteful,’ collateral form of present participle of eligere ‘select with care, choose’ (see election). Meaning ‘characterized by refined grace’ is from 1520s. Latin elegans originally was a term of reproach, ‘dainty, fastidious;’ the notion of ‘tastefully refined’ emerged in (…)
{03:33:44 pm (CDT):} <`411> classical Latin. Related: Elegantly. Elegant implies that anything of an artificial character to which it is applied is the result of training and cultivation through the study of models or ideals of grace; graceful implies less of consciousness, and suggests often a natural gift. A rustic, uneducated girl may be naturally graceful, but not elegant. [Century Dictionary]”
{03:33:46 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/elegant
{03:36:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .wiki Century Dictionary
{03:36:35 pm (CDT):} <`411> “The Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia is one of the largest encyclopedic dictionaries of the English language. In its day it was compared favorably with the Oxford English Dictionary and frequently consulted for more factual information than would normally be the case for a dictionary. The Century Dictionary is based on The Imperial Dictionary of the English Language, edited by Rev. John Ogilvie (1797–1867) and (…)”
{03:36:37 pm (CDT):} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Dictionary
{03:36:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> just checking the years
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{03:37:08 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ah – well around 100 years old or more, I would say.
{03:37:09 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> Hi Kids!
{03:37:30 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> but yes: elegant’s etymology.
{03:37:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (“elegant”‘s.)
{03:37:59 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> – hi Thom.
{03:38:09 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> Tommy
{03:38:13 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> Thomas.
{03:38:15 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> Hello lakitu
{03:38:17 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> *smiles*
{03:38:17 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> Tommy
{03:38:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> haha
{03:38:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> hi *Tommy* ^_xX
{03:40:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘el-‘ – ‘sel-‘…
{03:40:14 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> . . . *
{03:41:07 pm (CDT):} <kblom> I’d guess ex+legere
{03:41:31 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> “i select the best” was one definition of root word of eclecticism, which I used to practice, & also preach.
{03:41:42 pm (CDT):} <kblom> maybe ex+ligare
{03:43:28 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> If something is implicit when I imply, is it explicit when I exply?
{03:44:43 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ‘tastefully ornate’ (*gathering from that etymology again.)
{03:46:33 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> * (*gathering from that etymology again.*)
{03:46:39 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ahem
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{03:51:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> looking back in this client, i can see crucial posts of mine were being mysteriously blocked from #philosophical again: {01:11:25 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> [13:03:16] <@lakitu> what is the winning end game against feudalism? how does it end well?
{03:51:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> {01:11:25 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> [13:03:39] <@lakitu> not say violent revolution, etc
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{03:51:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> {01:19:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> *money, social status, power.* these huge leitmotivs reoccuring thruout Life.
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{03:51:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> {01:21:47 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> part of the philosophy of life, for me – in part
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{03:52:42 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> wow, changes the whole conversation
{03:52:50 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> the whole discussion
{03:53:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> John was here recently, I wonder if he knows. I think he’s an Undernet SOP or similar.
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{03:56:02 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i was saying *money, (“)social status(“), power* were leitmotivs reoccurring thruout life, & *****that***** is what was part of the philosophy of life, *****to begin this oration*****
{03:56:57 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> not ‘the questions of “violent revolution”‘ as you were misled to believe
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{03:58:28 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> The problem with a feudal system is the same as every other social structure on the planet (not restricted to humans.)
{03:59:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i just happened to extra-investigate this =(
{03:59:54 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> The problem with societies on earth is the method of succession of leadership.
{04:01:34 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i noticed that i tried to tell artalien in the first Winter of 2018 that I had read a 650-page book on applied philosophy over the last month & half or so, then. it was never sent or recorded… i looked diligently thru my logs, even finding the actual conversation itself.
{04:02:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i think i have graduated beyond IRC, all told.
{04:02:19 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> Applied philosophy? To what except itself can philosophy be applied?
{04:04:58 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> I*.
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{04:09:35 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> what a grave, grievous disappointing thing.
{04:09:43 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> * what a grave, grievous, disappointing thing.
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{04:10:55 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> There’s more of gravy than of grave to you!
{04:15:53 pm (CDT):} <ControlFreq> brb
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{04:50:18 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> what a… oh it doesn’t even matter that I think of the word anymore. beyond what it is, maybe it is also a liberation

(…)

{06:23:58 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> continued: stateliness of course being king of those– perhaps being regal being queen: being high-society. having class; dignity; grace; graciousness; pedigree, good breeding; status, rank; fame; elegance… & then again maybe there is no finish to whom is queen of those.
{06:28:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> & very likely, i know nothing about nothing about that – the queen elegance.
{06:34:03 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> the queen, finest-material elegance of them all.
{06:36:45 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> likely.
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{06:45:53 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> then again i had the luckiestness to get to know gmolly, real name Martha from Tucson.
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{06:47:43 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> little aristobrat. {sic}
{06:47:57 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> heh . . .
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{06:51:40 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> truly regal…
{06:51:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> …& stately.
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{06:53:56 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> something like Divinity to know . . . =D
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This concludes our own elegism dialogue.

Dedicated to women, who are perfect; & whose only sulksome illusion they are not is inflicted by the tentative blemishes adorned upon thyselves by enemies of women’s inner & outer Beauty: the envious, the jealous, the wrongfully lusting, the drunken . . . . .

& In reminding you that some of us Scandinavians say that the gods rule men;

but the Norns, who are female, rule the gods & men.

– Valentyn

(A disruption’s missing piece recouped as an addendum:)

{10:26:36 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> well i have a dialogue– those nasty, non-philosophy, audience transgressing ones of mine as John labeled them– from yesterday, the Elegy dialogue I ( http://joevalentyn.org/press/2020/08/24/elegism-dialogue-i-being-high-society-having-class-dignity-grace-graciousness-pedigree-status-elegance-the-regal-stateliness-also-with-an-attempt-at-the-queen-king-elegances-whispering/ ) from yesterday, but at 17 chatters, we do not quite have a
{10:26:36 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> quorum
{10:26:40 pm (CDT):} <JohnStar> Title: Elegism dialogue I: Being high-society. Having class; dignity; grace; graciousness; pedigree; status; elegance; the regal; & stateliness. Also with an attempt at the queen & king elegances, whispering aloud that there may be no finish to the double spiral staircase upwards to the final queen elegance. Amen. ⸻ ♡, Joe Valentyn
{10:26:45 pm (CDT):} <`411> — “Elegism dialogue I: Being high-society. Having class; dignity; grace; graciousness; pedigree; status; elegance; the regal; & stateliness. Also with an attempt at the queen & king elegances, whispering aloud that there may be no finish to the double spiral staircase upwards to the final queen elegance. Amen. ⸻ ♡, Joe Valentyn”
{10:27:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> from yesterday, to continue, i was trying to say
{10:27:19 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> only as important as those words listed there…
{10:27:52 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> as important as you find those words there…
{10:29:57 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> –now my computer is freezing up–
{10:30:12 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> that the channel is out of order, means i will have to carry on without, then
{10:31:21 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> that the channel is out of order, means i will have to carry on without, i was trying to say
{10:32:17 pm (CDT):} <Mariu> Springfield
{10:33:28 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> but i will try anyway:
{10:33:56 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> gratitude, is a pantheon member, of those, too.
{10:34:24 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> re “Being high-society. Having class; dignity; grace; graciousness; pedigree; status; elegance; the regal; & stateliness”)
{10:34:59 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> err being regal; being stately*
{10:35:55 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> so: *re Being high-society. Having class; dignity; grace; graciousness; pedigree; status; elegance; being regal; being stately
{10:36:09 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ((being regal; stately)
{10:42:47 pm (CDT):} <Mariu> these things will not help science by much and nor they will be preventing certain situations where one person ends up having no class. It will also not help you live longer either
{10:44:11 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> gratitude is that expression of the unsaid– otherwise– gratefulness between us in caring acts & expressions, kind gestures, that warmth we thrive on, or die from: without.
{10:45:49 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> like Sunshine, the enjoyful appearing attractively tanned, over their whole self.
{10:46:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (those enjoying it fully enough)
{10:46:12 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> attractively tan*
{10:46:20 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> i was meaning to say.
{10:47:19 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> * like Sunshine, those enjoying it fully enough appearing attractively tan, all over themselves.
{10:48:20 pm (CDT):} <Mariu> coding in an elegant manner, now that is art
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{10:48:35 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> {10:48:32 pm (CDT):} Mariu!*@* added to ignore list.
{10:48:41 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> citing the plague dialogue v
{10:49:51 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> he’s from the Orient or something. by his own mentions
{10:50:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> anyway, continuing:
{10:50:19 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> ((…trying…))
{10:50:51 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> well i’ll conclude this addendum here
{10:51:02 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> .
{10:51:05 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> (thank you!)
{10:51:13 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> thank you, heh heh.
{10:51:37 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> oh–
{10:51:44 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> hmm
{10:52:01 pm (CDT):} * lakitu remembering something from someone absent
{10:52:07 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> err–
{10:52:35 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> well yes, there is Love & thanks, in a way. good to learn both of those.
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{10:53:01 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> there is Love, & it is different from thanks but thanks is no big baddie
{10:53:09 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> , itself.
{10:53:31 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> * there is Love, & it is different from thanks, but thanks is no big baddie, itself.
{10:53:42 pm (CDT):} <lakitu> * (there is Love, & it is different from thanks, but thanks is no big baddie, itself.)
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Topic: (LionClan) Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. George Santayana, founder of the Harvard Philosophical Club
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<lakitutoo> ah, my computer froze up fully
<lakitutoo> my computer froze up beyond any kind of use at all
<lakitutoo> so i am back on this 2nd computer.
<lakitutoo> i was saying, & so it is well to practice gratitude in both romance & diplomacy.
<lakitutoo> i*
<lakitutoo> I*
<lakitutoo> *
<lakitutoo> not sure where that word came from: romance & Life.
<lakitutoo> romance & life.*
<lakitutoo> & which goes hand in hand with care & kindness.
<+Mariu> ignoring is not caring
<lakitutoo> ah there you are again: have to /ignore you again
<lakitutoo> plague v dialogue man
<lakitutoo> & i was just before he said that starting to type, a little disruption here, fighting thru it
<lakitutoo> or trying
<lakitutoo> I*
<lakitutoo> largely I came to say,
<lakitutoo> gratitude had been, as just mentioned, something that was bemeaning to say, but did not get said untl now
<lakitutoo> , until now.*
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<lakitutoo> what we can understand as a delay on the assembly line
<lakitutoo> what we can understand as a delay on the assembly line,* something like that.
<lakitutoo> * – something like that.
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<lakitutoo> & so the the Elegism dialogue I, the present addendum, is truly concluded, then.

(For the record: one case of bitrot or similar of two letters becoming dysphoniously switched was corrected by the switching back of those two letters, in the above addendum..)

High-quality digital print by clicking thumbnail (below!) or here.

(Phablet users can see a second print after the first, which is linked to a high-quality phablet print, or they can just tap here.)

I, Joe Valentyn, composed the poem & designed the print.

– Joe

Update 2024_January3rd : Chat scrolls that were lost by destroyed hard drive were provided by `inhahe` (Richard Nichols III) that I went thru & found the dialogue that came earlier on the (Nicolaus-and-Daniel-)Bernoullli–Kelly maximum (abstract) growth investment strategy; they are included here.

Update 2023_December10th : Added missing Bernoulli, Daniel Bernoulli, to the spread title & slightly altered the first sentence’s grammar:

I got this idea plural years ago, & tonight committed to teaching this very lucrative investment strategy:

From me (Joe Jerome Valentyn – nicknamed “lakitu“) in the forum, century twenty-one year twenty-three November eighteenth:

{central U.S. time CST am 01:00’18”} <ratbeing_> Still almost an hour until it gets light.
{central U.S. time CST am 01:00’38”} <lakitu> wow
{central U.S. time CST am 01:00’54”} <lakitu> you’re not to be chastised for sloth this am
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{central U.S. time CST am 01:08’25”} <lakitu> (((* you’re not to be chastized for sloth this am)))
{central U.S. time CST am 01:22’47”} <ratbeing_> Well, a Benthamite solution to trolley problems would involve counting the bodies.
{central U.S. time CST am 01:37’43”} <ratbeing_> wlak
{central U.S. time CST am 01:38’07”} <lakitu> was going to say something –
{central U.S. time CST am 01:41’13”} <lakitu> from my earlier years – in part meaning in #forum – I here forward will teach to study Kelly strategy ratio investment amounts to recognize how much to invest in each investment – in the abstract meaning for investment I describe – scenario . . .
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{central U.S. time CST am 01:43’49”} <lakitu> for a investment scenario where the risk is 75% chance to win 2.3X gain, the Kelly investment ratio is 55% from your total wealth – this is the mathematically sound amount to investment your money, per the Kelly investment strategy.
{central U.S. time CST am 01:47’40”} <lakitu> (* for a investment scenario where the risk is 75% chance to win 2.3X gain, the Kelly investment ratio is 55% from your investable amount – this is the mathematically sound amount to invest from your investable amount, per the Kelly investment strategy.)
{central U.S. time CST am 01:54’15”} <lakitu> you calculate that using the Kelly investment equation: f*= (bp-q) / b {dash}
{central U.S. time CST am 01:54’43”} <lakitu> this is *ABSTRACT* investment.
{central U.S. time CST am 01:55’22”} <lakitu> that has and is not limited to money: time for example is another quantity we have, spend, invest, waste, & the like
{central U.S. time CST am 01:58’15”} <lakitu> {dash} (continuing:) where b is payoff ratio, p is chance (at winning), & q is (risk at losing)
{central U.S. time CST am 02:00’34”} <lakitu> (* {dash} (continuing:) where b is payoff ratio, p is chance (at winning), & q is risk (losing))
{central U.S. time CST am 02:01’00”} <lakitu> in our example, the payoff ratio was 2.3, the chance at winning was 75%, & the risk was 25%.
{central U.S. time CST am 02:06’37”} <lakitu> when you look at this, you find chance at winning is the subtractive inverse (meaning one quantity is x, the other quantity is 1-x) of losing (if you have a 75% chance to win, you have 25% chance to lose) – & thus since you can figure risk to lose from chance to win, you only need chance to win – & thus you students who will follow this will study the two quantities: payoff ratio (2.3(X) for example), & chance to win (75% chance to win
{central U.S. time CST am 02:06’37”} <lakitu> for example) – when you take those two quantities & figure them in the Kellly investment strategy equation: f* = (bp-q) / b, you get **how much from your investable amount to invest**: **55%** for example… the key to kelly battling back contra losses is it invests **a proportion**;
{central U.S. time CST am 02:06’55”} <lakitu> you will each time have more to invest – at the calculated ratio – to battle back with
{central U.S. time CST am 02:08’11”} <lakitu> this – the kelly investment strategy – is ****the mathematically proven soundest investment strategy for maximal growth payoff/chance investment scenarios.****
{central U.S. time CST am 02:13’23”} <lakitu> thus – you will make tables – likely via a computer program as I have done – for f* when b (payoff) = 1, 1.25, 1.33… & their combinations with p (chance to win) = 50%, 55%, 60%… where you and/or the computer program solves for f* (the ratio of your investable currency (money for example) to invest) = bp-q / b ****& you commit these kelly investment ratios to rote memory to use at your discretion in Life****
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{central U.S. time CST am 02:17’16”} <lakitu> remember: the kelly investment strategy ****mathematically proves the soundest amount to invest for *maximal growth** in payoff ratio, chance to win (& risk (percent) to lose) investment scenarios
{central U.S. time CST am 02:21’51”} <lakitu> if you have a chance to win, & a payoff amount (3.0X for example) then you can compute the mathematically soundest maximal growth investment amount (“f*”; 55% for example) for each & every case – & deciding for example how much time to invest is a very common thing in our life – now you can get it down to mathematically valid scientifically sound calculated amounts for maximal growth investments

Update: new work might be coming soon . . .

* * * * *

2023 December 1st chances-by-earning-ratios & earning-ratios-by-chances orders both listed in this post & in the standalone copy: Work is in: 2023’s November 23rd around 4:18 pm central U.S. time:

Use this information to memorize maximal growth investment ratios you should use given the chance to win & earnings ratio you can get by winning in your life: read it here or download a copy:

⸻ Joe Valentyn
b. Faribault,
Minnesota,
the United States
(United States’) 2023 Thanksgiving Day

Originally written & then banned from my OK Cupid profile in Spring/Summer 2017, titanically extended Midsummer 2019:

****HOW.****

Do you have some fresh new pinkcliterature you want red? Do you think that you can work your beautiful body of Art in tantalizing ways, & want to have for yourself my dreamy, beautiful, & divine Lovestory coupled with your most-dreamy, most-beautiful, & most-divine Lovestory? Together at last? For the first time & for the ever time?

Then Let’s enjoy ourselves in the best of ways & pop the cork; ‘to much Romance.’

Hold on, tho, I’m not done: Do you have some much-loved ‘lip — ‘lit — (typo – where’s the backspace key????) — do you have some much-loved ‘lit that is herself already sopping wet with Romance, but you still want this hot clit rit — dyslexia, maybe there — ‘lit crit? Clit rit?

— Are you a ‘lit critter?

— You, the masterpiece, will be appraised thru the roof, because I am a Lover of Loves, & I will treat High Art as High Art . . . & inlay such royal material with the diamonds we want for such stately beauty.

Maybe you have undiscovered Art; many greats began having people throw their own cherrytomatoes at whot, in the end, was Loved most.

I am worldwise & learned enough to recognize that 2, even 3 rotten eggs do not the dozen spoil. It’s just bad luck, or whatever it is. So even if it has rained on your parade, I still know that that runny mascara — under those big fat coke-bottles — themselves under some rushed, rushed, rushed ponytail ****can be of the most-beautiful, earnestly lovable, maybe-even-better Lovestory artist of all****. You are not out of the race, you are not out of the winners’ circle. Dry those drops, dear. Dry those drops.

This is whre I cum in.

For all four Lovestory riderses, I am chock full of pluck & chipper. Remember Fabio on those Romance fiction covers? Everything you want? That’s whot you DESERVE AND REQUIRE for your next Lovestory. Ovid, Casanova, I red them all. I Love Love.

Maybe in your lovestories, chipper hard Sex prevails. Sensuousness. Drive. Emotion. Desire. In scientific terms, I have four testicles’ worth of testes. My penis is infinite.

& Beautiful too.

Swear to Women (Women!) that I am getting some computer glitches while working on this pic – I’ll tell you about my up loads another time – for now let’s focus on the fact that I cnt ride too hot, butt i love to ride: {link to pen pic}

(I aver with all my credibility that that is an un-doctored picture & one I didn’t set up. No picture editing; just whole-picture black-&-whited & then whole-picture hued. My middle-finger to my ring-finger lengths are also large & in charge.)

This & a condition I was medically diagnosed with: “satyromania”… the male version of being a nymphomaniac –
this condition is caused by Women, & cured by Women – in a vixen circle. Means big trouble in bigc’literature ridings we can do everywhere & everywhichway & everyt———-

Allow me to cup my hands & whisper an i-d-ya in your most-sensitivst of ears:

I am a rider. I cnt ride too hot. Butt I Love to ride. I feel this makes me a great American rider. ^_XX.

So, this is for all those Love riders out there: A’one’two’three’faWR!:

I have good jeans. The jeans get into the ink. {sic}

The ink flows nicely from the pen, & the pen is nice & long & well-built, it feels good to ride with, in your hands, & whotnot. Very, very, very safe to chew on the cap. It fits in your pocket(s). You can ride with it most anywhere =D…

With my jeans-ink, ink-pen, & again, just a huge & magnificent pen, we can mouth, orate, ride, or even just run our fingers along your beautiful, incredibly seductive body of Art. In terms of our riding, we will make Love.

A Beauty such as Women possess requires a lot of work – **this I know** – & I have all the dedication I need.

I would love for you to mouth, orate, handle, ride, just **breathe in my ear** **my own** body of work.

‘Butt don’t quit’, tho, as they say in lovespeech… because we can perform ‘double-penning’ on your body of Art — some call it ‘double entendre’. Sementicly, this means *penning you innuendo n your ‘lit.* That’s ‘lit’rally what double-penning iss; ‘lit’rally. Think “double-penning.” This is all part of being a punning linguist, puusi lingering —

— (@#$(@#$@#! I tried to make a joke — I cnt.

Upward & onward.

There’s also a fun much-loved number we can do called 69. 69 in terms of rhythmitic is both orally — in unison — or perhaps to the knowing – I could shock you, by my being upsidedown — while you made “oral history” with me in this beauitful mathematics; because of the “upsidedown” part of the orations, this unison oration is known in my mathematical rhythmitic as the number 69. This beauitful number we perform… is a delight of delights – quite the delight for both man & woman. It is one of my personal flavorites to enjoy. *Goes looking thru his library.*

Whairsabouts where we? Aw: yes: *What *ABOUT* oral skills?* Much ido is made of a person’s ability to perform orally. Men are not as gooed at performing orally, but certainly it is an out-of-body experience, so to speak, to get the luckiest of luckies, a women’s beautiful performance.

Let’s take another look at me again:

& My pen – so big it’s a funnie: but it rides & can take dictation, too:

Remember my pen is safe to chew on. It’s a Dic (missspelling?? I cnt spell. Granted there was a “cnt-spelling bee”: I wood wims ‘its.), & it has my jeans in it, (the jeans get in the ink). Feels good to hol’ on to, tooo… {link to pen pic}

So loosen up your belt & get comfortable; I want you to really get into it, now:

My looks & oral skills make performing orally for you fun.

Get in touch. Sleep on this. Get in touch. Doesn’t this all just say *BEGGING FOR IT*? you know what that means — GET IN TOUCH &– WELL, GET IN-TOUCH.

Alik I say: I have acquired the taste for the ****catient**** work of a punning linguist, & my performing oral has me insatiably **lingering** well over your ‘lit’s content… If you’re not familiar with the ‘lingering’ method, look it up; it’s on Unban Dicktionary. I am a ‘dicter’, to make a metaphor, of the lingering method who is a dedicated reeder of your ‘lit – again – orating in a very **in-touch** way – until your ‘lit’s amazing climax. My jaw is no stranger to oration – a bony stubbly thing; & maybe what’s more – I suck hard when I perform oral for you – mixing up the again-look-it-up lingering oratory, with my stubbley/bony jaw, & again, because i just suck & suck & suck — dedicatedly on your ‘lit tho, for minutes then tens of minutes, maybe an hour, maybe longer, until that Niagra Falls Dam of suspense BLOWS free, into our work’s climax, flowing thru my mouth, me taking it in like a insatiable whore. Maybe you could have two climaxes – why not three? When my lips go numb I can just run my fingers thru your ‘lit until I’m ready to reed again. Left hand’s fingers, right hand’s, perhaps the middle. I have the dedication, the Love, & the DESIRE!!! for orally performing even the most suspenseful cliterature floodbreakingly & sonorously.

Get in touch, &– get in touch. Sometimes when an idya just screams *PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE* – I get in touch with that person to work our idya together. Naps — “nap attack!!” — often do me good, when all else fails.

So alright, cntinuing.

I would love to ride you doubly, innuendo, backwards in a mirror.

A ‘nother personal favorite way to ride: orally titillating you while dedicatedly working your ‘lit with my huge, hairy hand to its fullest, most-tremelous flow[1-1], & truly amazing climax.

Your pure excitement flowing, running your legs in the afterglow of this latest ‘lit sensation, & happily I imbibe, in turn all your masterpiece offers, till the last drop of milfulous goodness.

The End.

Err wait now, wear were we?

Oh yes. What about riding bare tit-illation, you say, AND in your ‘lit?

(Oo I made a word joke!

****Titters.****)

No problem – I can pen both of these – My Beauties – & reacharound & fingerpaint you a blossoming pink flower at the same time. The Beauties are Beautiful, in my imagination right now. Precious.

I would Love, I would Love, I would Love.

I want to Love’ with you — Lovestory in full — let me tell you, beautiful female Lovestory & Romance & Sex riders of this world!!!! I want to Love’!!!! I feel like I am on ovocaine from thinking about this!!!!

“Joe,” you ask, “How can we work together on this epic Lovestory which is always (right?) in Spring?”

Where there’s a will there’s a way.

Where there’s a will there’s a way.

Start here: Do you Love People? Are you a social butterfly? Well-mannered? Are you high-society? Are you Loving & caring & kind? *WHO* are you favorite people? Do you have any passions? What do you like to talk about? Have you ever been part of the making of a good Lovestory? What do you do instead…?

Share with me, some, who you think about & what you think about. Who are your favorite people – what is your favorite stuff – which are your favorite things? =D Who do you love musically? How about in movies? Read books? Like websites? Talk about things? Do you love / excel in anything?

I love all kinds of people & tons of stuff & lots of things.

Try me.

How about how good-looking your body of Art is. Does your masterful Artwork have a beautiful face, & do you have a little space for penning myself in? Maybe your body of masterful Artwork has wonderful bouncy titillation? Does it have a full, delightful Beauty on the back 9? Do you have good style?

I am entranced by such beauty. (See my poem here, from Summer of last year.)

One desirable trait is this favorite: your being very Sexual, for riding Romance/Lovestory. Are you a ‘nymphomaniac’? At least Sexually charged? Have that sexual drive? Enjoy sex & sexuality? Do you make the most divine sounds when you’re having Sex? Do you Sexualize everyday conversation? Re: This: can you orally perform well, as well as when riding / being rode? Do you care for scents & lingerie? Do you have any hawt pictures/videos/records of yourself? Have any favorites saved of your desirable hot guys? Do you ********WANNA********?

How fun are you? Joke? Play? Stay loose? Like guys & Sex & music & fun?

Are you charming? Have a ‘Princess’ Charming air to you? Are you high-society? Regal? Cultured? Again: a social butterfly? A flirt? ^_xX

A nymphomaniac?!

^_xXXX

Let’s dream up something new – just us two. Let’s co-author a wonderful Lovestory! “I don’t care how you get to me, just get to me…”

If the apresented sounds good – get in touch!!!

Happy Hearts & Happy trails My Loves! “We do!”

·Joe·’====D’·V·[1]

[1]: 6-t-9 eyes are better than 2 – all these glasses are why I ride so truly gooed. Cum ride together with me. Let us ride to our hearts’ content. “Honey, cum to Florida.” Florida is a peninsula & *I know* the cunt of the cunt of America – but not yet the cunt of the cunt of the cunt of America – but I will! *Slams buzzer.* I will!

The End… Of The Beginning…

‘V for me!’

=D See you around!! =D

Perhaps “missuse of the foot'” here; if you like a nice foot’, possibly missused:
[1-1]: This reference beforehand was in terms of the ‘origin’ — the ‘raising of the curtains’ on — Ancient Gk. *rheo- — *rheo- meaning “flow” — for my rhetoric “rhetoric”.

Pss. If you’d like carrotjuice for your coney, just ding the bell. How’d that new Wal-mart commercial go, “You can ring my bell…
{insert potential-infinity infinite unicode space character computer generator} Ring my bell.

BD

Her’s picks. Take it in!

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Her’s me:

Here’s my original OKCupid profile, which as I said was banned around July 23rd or 24th of 2019: Happened to save the text just before it got banned:

? joe ?
About Me
My self-summary

Hi=D.

I am Joe.=D

‘Let’s Play Together.’ *Doll motions . . . *

^_^

Main site: www.joevalentyn.org

GirlsAskGuys.com: https://www.girlsaskguys.com/user/joevalentine & https://www.girlsaskguys.com/user/joevalentyn

The Twitters: http://twitter.com/joevalentyn

( Recent Tweet:

My new political position:

I will fight, barefist, abusers of Women & Children in a boxing ring, until I can’t anymore. This will be effective immediately.

ChildAbusePrevention #DomesticViolence #IBelieveHer

( https://twitter.com/joevalentyn/status/983901093498322944?s=19 ) )

First things first: Cats love me. ?

OK =D :

I’m about Love, Dating & Relationships, You?, Conversation, Love, People, Poetry, Love, Politics, Love, Love, Love, Literature, Life, Love; & Maybe You A Lot.

Free love, sex positivity, hugs not drugs, natural living . . .

About me:

I am a tenacious, powerful & alive 34-year-old male.

I am a German-Dutch-Bohemian-Swedish-Irish American. A mutt.

*Women are my #1 desire.*

I am about romance in a serious way: On the dating-&-relationship site GirlsAskGuys.com, I rank in the top 10 internationally on their main measure (MHO %), but not officially because I answered only 50 questions & they evidently require more to be officially ranked. (My MHO %: 43%: https://www.girlsaskguys.com/user/joevalentine – Top MHO % of users worldwide: https://www.girlsaskguys.com/xper )

• I think pink.

I am sensitive & loving & caring & kind; I think even nice.

I am also affectionate.

I love people & have spent hours a day hanging out & chatting with people; I know you, as a person, & knock down the door trying to make it good for you. I am communicative.

I do love taps when I talk.

I am also appreciative.

I am positive & responsible.

I am playful & fun, almost to a fault.

Hugs not drugs, Women are my drugs & my medicine.

Mature; I have been well-trained & well-nurtured by Women in my life.

I want YOU – not just sex..

I sort of eat, sleep, & breathe woman.

I love Females.

I would actively provide self-defense, safety, security & justice etc, to you, & have for girls I have not yet dated just recently.

Do not underestimate that which I have, I would say to offenders against you or me.

I like going for a romantic getaway or letting you have me-time.

I have 10 lucrative business ideas, should we choose that walk of Life.

(About the Hugs not drugs: I came up with ‘being heart-edge:’ If you wanna do ‘something’ together, I will maybe-maybe say Yes. I probably will say yes to using a natural stimulant if you asked me to, or the like. If you wanted us to use some drank, I would (if we can arrange a sober / not too drunk ride.)

We can also go to a river & have a picnic, go out to eat, go to a concert, go to a movie, or stay in & watch Netflix & chill. We can do it all.

One-time rated 9.4 on Hot-or-Not with a weak picture my good friend put on.

I shave & trim myself daily; I exercise 3 times a week; & I enjoy healthy, tasty food.

I wear vetiver.

When I was 10 or 11 my comprehension tested about 3rd year college(15th grade). When I was 25 I was made head of the largest & best live philosophy discussion-room in the world.

Random favorite words currently: play, magnanimity, mystique, bunnyflippin’, coney.

Slightly fatt, ‘poochie’ cheeks (on your face) are almost better than muff or your bazingas, I believe.

I love you as a person, even if we’re not the ones for each other.

I think the purpose of Life is to Love, & a couple other things.

“Life is a feast full of starving fools. Dig in.”

Lastly, why do I have all this information? Because I am a student of Love & Life, in that order, & Love is basically the most crucial thing to me.

Joe.

‘Not a bot!!!!

Old OK Cupid username (before they changed everybody to using their first names): xoxDonkeyHickxox.

Random recent things:

@@ The girls on here are so pretty; you all could get awards from me of some kind or another, too. @@!

^_^! Way happy about this.

2nd recent tweet:

Hey #Russia – Take a look at this : how about we make love, not war – literally?

http://joevalentyn.org/press/2018/10/22/the-new-american-dreamers/

POETRY SECTION:

New Poem {:Summer 2018}

A new ‘prose poem:’

“Tactility**”

It comes to me like beautiful ♫usic – Erato

To be /in touch with/ Beauty, Love, The Erotic, The Feminine: /The Aesthetic/, wherever it reposes… beating heart…

To believe in, in the hinterland, the Holiness of snow white; to savor tranquility, & gentleness… in a soft evening’s snowfall; & to behold the soft tufts of cuteness and fun from bunnies kicking up puffs of fluffy snow, chasing tail in couples together…

& To grip with thine soul the flesh of thighs… to feast upon the cleavageous bearing of breasts… to devour carnivorously the other parts… & to gorge & gorge wholly upon the living breathing Gorgeos erotick lustee…

To know this Beauty: to feel these Truths: to rub with thine whole body us: forms of Goodness, “tactilly…

That is to conjoin with the Earthly Love, and Beauty – The Erotick & The otherworldly Feminine –

The witch’s coventry found practicing these tactile arts. The rivers found running the otherworldliness of her face – the union of –

The bunny.

The prophetess of Love…

The savior of your Earthenly Love.

The wishful, longful secret-tears diary of a teenager of 16…

A nupital innocence of a curly hair latching on her safety belt trustingly for a drive…

To eat the ambrosia of the pure poetry of the head-over-heels language of Lovers…

… The ambrosia of the pure poetry of the head-over-heels language of Lovers…

To touch the texture of empathy engendered by the best expressions of your soul for the goddess of your engagement…

To warmly nudge the swing ‘neath the branch, under the canopy of stars on a picnicked beach – ‘Kiss me now… kiss me forever… Amen.’

Amen.

New Song {:April 5th, 2018}

A new song against human trafficking:

(This song is about FBI / Interpol raids of female abduction victims – just fair warning… might get pretty aggressive):

Song: Chattel

CHATTEL!!

CHATTEL!!

Shoot
to k***

Take
no prisoners

because CHATTEL!!

CHATTEL!!

SO WE MUST SECURE
SECURE
her.

=D!!

Songpoem: you can be my pet bunny (((free love)))

February 23rd, 2015

here’s a song i’ve had as a draft on my computer for a couple weeks:

posting cutie pictures

up on the social meed’ . . .

tell me bunny, is that ineffable allure,

actually fishing for a captain like me?

i stop & ask myself,

did that sign say heaven’s now hirin’?

tell the suavest & the handsomer,

please apply within . . . . . .

{facebook pop}

howdy there bunniest,

would you care to grab coffee, this week’nd?

{facebook pop} ha, maybe, maybe not, loverboy

who is askin’ =)

{facebook pop}

you got me: i’m a lover not a fighter,

& i believe this world was built for two . . .

i also so happen to believe,

that i might like you . . .

& so if my company happened to be,

a mutual desire . . .

all i can say is my love is free,

& this gun is for hire . . .

{facebook pop}

ok, fine.

meet me at the coffeehouse,

up on North & Vine

i’ll bring my girlfriend with me,

i’m guessing you shouldn’t mind.

{facebook pop}

There is a God — great,

then it’s a date —

how about 7’o’clock,

on Friday?

{facebook pop}

sure. {facebook pop} k bye

{(pause?) then revelrous happy harmonica solo}

{ ” }

{ ” }

looking for the girl in the photograph

i hike up my boxers of silk,

from somewhere there’s intoxicating vanilla fragrant, &

she arrives all dressed to kill

i say hey, & hug her

somewhat hangingly

she smiles with her affection,

whilst i notice her friend just standing

who’s this you brought with you

is she your bestest friend?

yup – her name is

ms. eliza ‘lizabeth

(hello)

i light up with a bright idea,

hey, let’s play a game:

i call this one Favorites,

name all your favorite things you can name.

(ok)

i say here i’ll start,

i Love Love more than anything,

she smiles, but it’s awkward

so i say & i also like to sing.

she says that’s way cool

maybe i can hear you sometime (yeah)

— my favorite thing’s my best friend,

i’ve known her all of my life

{spoken:}

aww that is sweet –

hey do you want anything to drink?

no i can pay my own,

but yeah i guess let’s go get a cup of coffee

we go up the spiral staircase

to the coffee barista

i order up a depth charge,

she says i’ll get tea,

& we go back downstairs,

there’s a good song blasting thru the air

she says i love it in the autumn,

it’s too beautiful, everywhere

i smile – i like your outfit

i can tell you’re way classe

she says thank you darling,

& moves with a bit of uncontrollable sassy

ok i think my favorite thing is motown

she says watch me do an arm wave

i joke with a she-bop she-bop,

she says oh man, no way

ok one of my favorite things is hair dye,

blueblack looks egyptian,

she says you should do rainbow,

yeah if i could find the beautician

read any good books this year?

oh i don’t know, i guess i read a lot on the webz

there’s some sites i really like

let me guess one is reddit?

yeah … ok a favorite thing is the stars,

– yeah me too, the starlit canopy

hey i think it was clear,

we could go out to the patio if you please

we go out to the breeze,

we’re into each other, we agree

i hum ‘when the moon hits your eye . . .’,

she looks happy.

ok my favorite thing is leonard cohen,

he’s just like a crow . . .

she says yeah jeff buckley used to date liz frazer but now he’s just a ghost

we talk on & on

tubin’ on the river of Life

her friend says maybe they should leave

but she says you can go if you like

harmonica blow (single)

hey should we catch a motion pic’?

she says actually i have netflix . . .

a long pregnant silence ends

with let’s

we go back to her apartment

& we watch a favorite pick of hers

& the night is beautiful

it was itself a motion picture

{outro:}

{guitar:} doo-bee-doo-bee-doo-bee {2 or 3 female voices:} she-bop! she-bop!

{guitar:} doo-bee-doo-bee-doo-bee – {voices:} she-bop! she-bop!

{guitar:} doo-bee-doo-bee-doo-bee – {voices:} she-bop! she-bop!

{guitar:} doo-bee-doo-bee-doo- {song begins to noticeably fade out:} bee – (voices:) she-bop! she-bop! {(possibly cool “so_nice*.flp” or *** type frissiony chimerun)}

Sleeping in the buff, lately . . . ‘free’ . . .

(His philosophy is) “Catholicism mixed with gin.” ~ Jack Kerouac.

Fun trivia:

I stopped watching TV, drinking pop & playing video games when I was 15, only coming back to TV during the political cycle in 2009-2010 or so to watch cable news. “Much happiness,” yes, quitting said things.

Me in a philosophy chatroom again:

Fundamentally, we must focus on 3 things – Truth, Goodness, & Booty. Assthetics is the philosophy of Booty, in all its forms.

I am reminded of a foreign teacher I had who said “We have beautiful beautiful beetches” where she is from.

That was said philosophy.

Me in a philosophy chatroom recently:

Lakitu’s Basic Mathematics.

80085 is ‘the beginning number’ on calculators.

“69” is lucky.

Complete.

I scented my “Art of Love” book with lilac oil just the other day.

http://joevalentyn.org/press/2017/06/10/book-of-court-a-choice-taste-of-the-book-of-court/

http://joevalentyn.org/press/2017/04/12/we-have-infinitely-many-better-things-to-do-with-our-time-than-quarrel/Write
What I’m doing with my life
I am now building my empire.

Prossibly via business.

Like I said, I have about 10 lucrative business ideas, should we choose that walk of Life.

Politics is equally an option, & I am gifted in philosophy & language, helping such a political life.

Lastly I am considering writing 4 or 5 books too: The most essential one is is “The Book Of Court”, about “dating & relationships” (I have about 100 pages of this); & the second is “My,” about the Lovers in my life, in a concrete nonfiction way. I have found my voice in that already & have some concrete pages written up in the style. The third is “Concrete,” about real stuff in a “G.A.N.” tone. The fourth is my biography. & The fifth is “The Training,” a philosophy book.
I’m really good at
I am some amount influential in Politics; here’s some causes I championed earlier than others: http://joevalentyn.org/press/2015/08/01/are-we-making-enough-progress-on-climate-change-inequality-a-following-up-a-tracing-back-of-some-early-bird-gettings-of-mine/

Philosophy & Teaching, too. I was once given head role of the largest/best philosophy chatroom in the world. I made this not to long ago: http://joevalentyn.org/files/Action%20Theory%20Inventory%20%28remake%20-%20betterer…er%29%205a%20%28with%20Cooperation%29.html

Also, Music. Here’s one: http://joevalentyn.org/’s-files-for/OKCupid/play%20%e2%99%ab%20this%20land%20is%20beauty!%20(unfinished%20demo%20%233).mp3

Professional napster. ^_^

=D
My go-to dance
Reimagining this one as “My next music video will be about”:

Me scurrying about on a chessboard being played by two love interests / witches who are revealed to be being deceptively cast spells on by a third sorceror, who is then revealed to be being fought by a security force whose subplot is left narratively unresolved in the music video.Write

Favorite books, movies, shows, music, and food
Ovid’s The Loves.

Roberto Benigni.

The Cure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4B3uUcIvUM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chaYm2TqfHM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3diz8I0AVVk.

Alfons Mucha.

Chocolate. Yerba maté (coffee-like drink). Fresh veggie juice. Salmon melts/rolls. Turkey dinners. Breastmeat. ^^ Real raw honey Cough haha. Strawberry lipgloss. Saliva . . . …Cu——– hey – wait a second =| . . . Everything good. ^^ & then some.

(Former 9-year vegan – have all the Tofurky & Follow Your Heart (not-)cheddar-cheese recipes I’ll ever need down good.)

Favorite websites too: OKCupid, New York Times, GirlsAskGuys, Twitter… The Internet’s so inflamed lately…. =/

My site too. Joevalentyn.org.Write
Needs
Six things I could never do without
Girls.

Love.

OK Cupid.

Girls Ask Guys.

My personalia.

Yerba mate.

Extra girls.

Extra yerba mate.Write
I spend a lot of time thinking about
Girls.

Politics.

Sex.

If I should’ve spent that much money on Aaron (my ‘differently-able’ neighbor/friend).

How I’m gonna provide for someone(s).

Courting.

Health.

More Politics.

Philosophy.

Thinking about how I spend too much time thinking about stuff (this leads to venturing somewhere, somehow, a lot.)Write
Moments
On a typical Friday night I am
Listening to Watching Me Fall by The Cure – on loop –

(http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/7642/)

• going out under the stars – breaking skin trying to get with a girl – getting sushi. Loving life!Write
  You should message me if
  “If you like pina coladas… & getting caught in the rain…”

I provide many services; therefore message me if:

Artistically, you want to get ahold a’ my Dick Blix, for fun and/or more-creative purposes.

With your reading-&-writing, you would like if somone penned you ‘double-entendre’ style; “double-penning” both innuendo & also c-theory – “c-lit” – at the same time, in all-out sessions.

Musically, you need a dedicated fiddler of the G spot for overwhelming climaxes from your body of your instrument.

You wanna hardcore rock.

You want a satyrist to play his magic flute for you

Politically, you want the power to fill the gap.

My pole is ready to hang your flag.

Or maybe you’re wanting to orate on my dictophone.

In business terms, you want to get busy.

Philosophically, you have a softspot for very large fallacies.

Because, programmatically, you have a backend that won’t quit. & You’re just looking for the right GUI to handle this billions-of-dollars asset.

Comedically, you want us to do our schtick together.

You are interested in producing a large carrot from your thatch.

When it comes to cooking, your Minnesota hotdish needs some Minnesota hot sauce . . . .

Or, your pussy needs a keeper for her.

Then I’m all yours hun. ^_^

…Somewhat more seriously. ^_^

If you are beautifully brilliant, and also brilliantly beautiful (or something like that);

You are a nympho.

If you love books.

if you have a good laugh.

If’n you’re a carT?Nist.

You are good at music.

You just like me.

You ARE just like me, in some ways.

You want to have oral sex right now. (Joking, (or is that ‘jocking’?) again.)

If you’re a lawyer. I love lawyers. I would finger a lawyer daily. (*)

: As in the term “Badmotorfinger” – to finger ‘f** you’. (note the quotes! order in the courtship!!) ^_^

If you’re very wifey (my real long-term interest.)

Again, you’re sexually a powerhouse.

Then let’s play ‘house’ together. Call 507-363-3356 (new number) & enjoy time with me ? Txt. Click like in the nether regions of our profiles here.

Happy trail,
Joey Valentine
xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo

p.s. Many of you have been asking about my cock… My cock this, & my cock that… My barndoor is always open. My barndoor is always open. And, you can milk it for as much milk as you want there, if you have a nice cute barn pussy.

p.p.s. Just message me anyway ^_^ haha

Here is something I’ve used to participate in politics better, with a tensor/matrix for Political Theory – my political theory I’ve collected – * (times) Current Events (a former current events list I kept):

Political Theory * Current Events.

Update: Typesetting fixed. (Zoom in if you want, the typesetting is in between plateaus.)

The political theory & current events were gathered by hand, & I made the program that makes the tensor/matrix.

Each item – up to what you can stomach – should be dealt with by hand, to keep the human touch with political causes in a more systematic, ‘agrarian’ political practice.

⸻ Joe Valentyn

Today (this diurne (24 hours)) is a big day for me: I released four select music theory moduluses: each never repeats, is the same forwards & back, & seamlessly loops.

Further, this music is tuned to 7.83 hertz – the fundamental resonant frequency for the Earth (see here).

You can access them here:

https://www.girlsaskguys.com/qt/entertainment-arts/q5169537-how-does-my-music-theory-creation-sound-do-you-like-this-never

Or if that site disappears, here:

https://joevalentyn.org/’s-files-for-2/GirlsAskGuys.com/

Update century twenty-one year twenty-four January Thirteenth central U.S. time pm( sic) 12:37′: added “Further, this music is tuned to 7.83 hertz – the dominant resonant frequency for the Earth (see here).“

In this dialogue I am lakitu. This dialogue is spontaneous; the first & fourth parts are slow, the second & fourth parts are the reason I post this:

{02:46:10 pm} <lakitu> shopping for coffee online in-between things the last couple days… kind of a new modern twist on coffee fandom for us coffee aficionados: sorting thru 20,000 brands to find the one, true, best whole-bean pouch our vested belief in like, Google coffee-blog search-result #3’s recommnedations can buy us… sort of like a medallion hunt or something,

{02:46:10 pm} <lakitu> that elusive, great coffee taste we’ll be drinking maybe a couple times a day. is it in Key Largo Much Grounded whole-bean Sumatra, San Jose’s Felicimo Arabica blend? we will never know, there’s only 20,000 brands to try. but I still will feel strongly: this tasty cup is probably basically the best the money can buy, haha.

{02:47:19 pm} <*buffextras> Ragtime^[email protected] quit: Quit

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{02:47:45 pm} <lakitu> …no one really knows – there’s 20,000 brands…

{02:51:43 pm} <lakitu> a small-town coffee blogger accepted a small sugaring of free beans, monetary kickback, sister-site links for his produced confession of the best bean having been found, 10,000 of us over time scan over his site lol

{02:57:24 pm} <lakitu> I’m being more comical, in my mind, than critical. these little peccadilloes being pointed out; it’s like making fun of your little sister for her dress being way hiked up funny – some minor chuff in her style that is more risible than anything.

{03:00:08 pm} <lakitu> some minor hiccup

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{03:06:50 pm} <lakitu> some cowlick in your little brother’s hair.

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{03:07:30 pm} <lakitu> –when I was young my hair stood straight up. I looked like someone you’d nickname “Sparky”.

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{03:08:05 pm} <lakitu> – straight up. most of my pictures are with my hair as a 1, 2 year old slicked back, because of my Mom wanting it to be down for pictures

{03:08:15 pm} <lakitu> but it stood straight up.

{03:08:25 pm} <lakitu> bright blonde.

{03:08:33 pm} <lakitu> bright/white blonde.

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{03:09:27 pm} <lakitu> wb ControlFreq

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{03:09:51 pm} <lakitu> I’ll cats you up.

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{03:10:41 pm} <lakitu> (see pm.)

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{03:12:36 pm} <lakitu> wb artalien_

{03:12:43 pm} <lakitu> I’ll cats you up too!

{03:12:52 pm} <ControlFreq> I have a friend I call Sparky because I helped him design a radio.

{03:14:35 pm} <lakitu> some spark-gap element, or?

{03:14:47 pm} <lakitu> I was born with nearly a full head of hair too. the nurses attributed this to my Mom eating peanut butter as a food she craved during pregnancy.

{03:15:08 pm} <ControlFreq> Nope. On small ships, with one radio tech, he or she is usually called Sparky

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{03:15:25 pm} <lakitu> ha!

{03:17:25 pm} <lakitu> My Mom craved fish & peanut butter & pineapple, with me.

{03:18:03 pm} * lakitu makes a little cartoon of a menu in a fetus’s hands in the womb . . .

{03:18:07 pm} <lakitu> “I’ll have the fish!”

{03:20:11 pm} <lakitu> they say the omega 3s with fish are important for a carried baby’s emotional development thruout life. also prevents allergies or somesuch

{03:21:54 pm} <lakitu> (just got to avoid the species laced with methylmercury . . . )

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{03:27:54 pm} <lakitu> mbog did not have that good sternum of stamina… he hailed a lifeboat & jumped ship

{03:27:58 pm} <lakitu> wb Sioux!!

{03:28:29 pm} <lakitu> good weekend– evening, right?, for you?

{03:28:52 pm} * lakitu joking with his phrasing there

{03:28:53 pm} <lakitu> btw

{03:29:47 pm} <lakitu> a little bit of wrestling with your brother, re mbog’s lacking endurance

{03:31:29 pm} <lakitu> *intestinal fortitude* *laughing*

{03:31:48 pm} <lakitu> I think that’s what I was (playfully) thinking of

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{03:33:29 pm} * lakitu prepares some clips of big teutonic grunting & gritting, to demonstrate his approach re emanating fortitude immanently from the intestines

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{03:33:38 pm} <lakitu> from the intestine

{03:33:53 pm} <lakitu> wb Rags.

{03:35:32 pm} <Ragtime^> 10 Q lakitu

{03:35:55 pm} <lakitu> heh.

{03:36:39 pm} * lakitu in a laughy mood

{03:39:21 pm} <lakitu> (1,-2-year-old*)

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{03:43:43 pm} <lakitu> (1-, 2-year-old*)

{04:01:14 pm} * lakitu pours another espresso

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{04:16:16 pm} <LionClan> hello

{04:16:28 pm} <lakitu> ‘ Lincoln.

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{04:28:54 pm} <lakitu> https://pastebin.com/ZaaqtrnF

{04:28:55 pm} <zhan> Mumbo-jumbo (June 26th, 2021; a scroll for Lionclan) – Pastebin.com

{04:28:58 pm} <lakitu> a scroll for you

{04:50:03 pm} <lauraaahNOpm> Hi

{04:53:27 pm} <lakitu> hey

{04:54:15 pm} * lakitu rounding up yard varmints in one of his programming modules – trying to wrap up

{04:55:01 pm} <lakitu> how are you?

{04:55:41 pm} <lakitu> up to anything this weekend day? maybe evening for you?

{04:55:49 pm} <lakitu> I guess it would probably be night

{04:56:34 pm} * lakitu scratches this chore– another time

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{05:10:40 pm} <lakitu> here is my latest dialogue: https://joevalentyn.org/press/2021/06/24/psychiatric-persecution-the-citizens-commission-on-human-rights-the-cchr-thomas-szasz-britney-spears-ovid-god-almighty/

{05:10:50 pm} <zhan> Psychiatric Persecution: The Citizens Commission on Human Rights (The CCHR), Thomas Szasz, Britney Spears, Ovid, & God Almighty ⸻ Heart, Joe Valentyn

{05:13:16 pm} <lakitu> parts ii & iii now included.

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{05:28:03 pm} <lakitu> think I’ll go & forage for some jerky from the store room.

{05:39:16 pm} <lakitu> …the abode is like a fallen angel: a man who desireth a woman from afar, while she is locketed with some scarcely deserving man. one of Life’s most common taboos is to dare to cross a line drawn by a girl’s main stang, to first begin to court her favor . . .

{05:41:43 pm} <lakitu> …the abode is ‘like a fallen angel’s*

{05:44:37 pm} <lakitu> …& her: she must feel like a First-Nations girl, caught between present & potential tribe, prances & shows of force… jerkies & pelts…

{05:47:18 pm} <artalien_> Bionic ma

{05:47:50 pm} <artalien_> Bionic man is jumpim thru the telly vision ser

{05:47:54 pm} <artalien_> set

{05:48:09 pm} <artalien_> Guess who’s coming next

{05:49:16 pm} <artalien_> man V midgie https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OrogvmBv/20210626_234854.jpg

{05:50:19 pm} * artalien_ is a victim of a cruel mother

{05:50:26 pm} <lakitu> oh no

{05:51:07 pm} <artalien_> hehe, 2 bottles of cider and I’m good to go

{05:55:27 pm} <artalien_> I had an action man that had gripping hands

{05:55:49 pm} <artalien_> I tied him to a huge elastic band and lauched him into forever

{05:57:40 pm} <lakitu> …that’s good, heheh…

{05:58:11 pm} <artalien_> https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/152770612329790710/

{05:58:12 pm} <zhan> Pin on Greatest Fictional Spacecraft

{05:58:59 pm} <artalien_> I also had one of those but a ruffin took it and covered it in snot, he was making an unconscious social statement I figure with hindsight

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{06:00:37 pm} <artalien_> https://youtu.be/GWiM6gcxKVw

{06:00:38 pm} <zhan> UFO Theme [Remastered] by DanTheMan 2150AD [1m8s – 11k views ? 203 ? 1 (99.51%) – 1.5y ago]

{06:02:13 pm} <artalien_> Now if that doesn’t make you want a hair cut you may be dead

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{06:04:38 pm} <lakitu> …a man is ‘like a religionformer, only with sacrament keepsakes, the highest ritual ethos in work, provide, keep up – mortal priestly sins & of the utmost meaningfulness: the Holy Love with his deified: his mistress. the feminine member of this does not disappoint – granting him assuages to what riddles him – sapient teachings, even – ecstatic Divine experiences, & a whole code of ethics to carry & key himself to . . .

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{06:24:00 pm} <lakitu> a little like a uncontacted tribe member spiritualizing their special divinity.

{06:27:37 pm} <lakitu> …their higher power…

{06:28:58 pm} <LionClan> https://boredomtherapy.com/buzz-aldrin-moon-landing-photo

{06:28:59 pm} <zhan> Buzz Aldrin Opens Up With The Real Story About The Iconic Moon Landing Photo

{06:34:48 pm} <LionClan> I’m sure they went into low earth orbit I believe that part of the story

{06:35:17 pm} <LionClan> The rest of it, not so much.

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{06:42:55 pm} <lakitu> & so it is a great malevolence – *to him* – for another man to broach offering himself to her, perhaps a hope of a tryst where they can be alone, deep in the subtext of his song before her; some gleam that, almost always to the devout man’s surprise, his Highest commutes the offense of, showing a conciliatory sign to the two: an adorer, not an enemy… an adorer, not an enemy… but for men such is outside them, they do not soak in the

{06:42:55 pm} <lakitu> salts of comforting, of soothing, of curing odium & grief

{06:44:58 pm} <Ragtime^> Trump is the most interesting person in politics.

{06:52:40 pm} <lakitu> so a befuddled man in sin is beguiled as the suitor eagerly claims his gains, the Precious not guarding her responses to receiving the affections of two admirers in one court, knowing the violatory instincts toward other suitors of her longtime dedicated.

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{07:14:08 pm} <lakitu> & vignettes like this are the only breathing room a man doing the spywork of persuading a girl to come to his side; a 5-word summary of fiscal splendors, earning potential – a sultry look in your best ‘cut, best raiments – a supposedly-ambient song especially adolescent men mean the world by . . . & such espionage is by one not ultimately respectful & weary to the main stang’s perturbability – her supper conversation were it to come up

{07:14:08 pm} <lakitu> – his own crassness at the handling of such a little baby-bird romance in a potentially tumultuous affair such as when you’re doing this: broaching the lines drawn by a winsome Diviness’s heavily-armed stang; cover is light, moments are fleeting, opportunities are expensive, rapport with people in her party is countervailing. but is a labor of Love.

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{07:35:10 pm} <rzewski> secret channel now?

{07:35:22 pm} <MartyMcFly> Trump is responosible for 600,000 deaths

{07:35:22 pm} <rzewski> is too much reality sneaking into your delusional safe space

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{07:57:43 pm} <LionClan> hi John Guru

{07:58:31 pm} <JohnGuru> hi LionClan

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{08:02:42 pm} <kblom> hi john

{08:03:19 pm} <JohnGuru> it’s been a somewhat arduous day here. Gray, at times windy, and rain rain rain, lots of rain. Sinus congestion, adding a certain amount of labour to the general dreariness

{08:04:05 pm} <JohnGuru> the nice thing about this hour is that it brings a sense of normalness

{08:04:40 pm} <JohnGuru> routine suggests everything is okay/. By having a routine, we are encouraged to think the world will go on forever

{08:04:44 pm} <LionClan> I use Alka Seltzer Cold and Flu for nasal congestion. Doesn’t spike your blood pressure like some antihistamines.

{08:05:07 pm} <JohnGuru> oh, I think I may have that, LionClan. I will try it

{08:05:14 pm} <JohnGuru> I bought it and then never opened the package

{08:05:30 pm} <JohnGuru> I always liked Alka Seltzer, though

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{08:06:22 pm} <LionClan> Sinus congestion can interfere with sleep, so I take that before my naps

{08:06:29 pm} <JohnGuru> *nods*

{08:06:35 pm} <JohnGuru> yeah

{08:07:07 pm} <JohnGuru> I use Diphenhydramine. It’s cheap when bought in the generic form, by name

{08:07:24 pm} <JohnGuru> and the main ingredient of most antihistamine OTC’s

{08:07:32 pm} <LionClan> Please stop.

{08:07:47 pm} <JohnGuru> what? why?

{08:08:24 pm} <LionClan> If you tell your doctor, do you know what he would tell you? He would tell you please stop

{08:08:36 pm} <JohnGuru> oh I don’t think so

{08:08:54 pm} <JohnGuru> I think he’s the one who suggested it to me

{08:08:57 pm} <MartyMcFly> circadian rythym the sign of the blind watchmaker perhaps

{08:09:22 pm} <MartyMcFly> newtonian clockwork universe

{08:09:41 pm} <kblom> they had a cartoon character ‘Speedy’

{08:10:37 pm} <JohnGuru> Newton’s clockwork universe dominted science & philosophy for 250 years

{08:10:56 pm} <JohnGuru> but then it passed away when science shifted the ground to statistics

{08:11:19 pm} <LionClan> Newton told the world about his solar observations, in particular the apparent position is behind the actual position

{08:11:27 pm} <MartyMcFly> logic and order in the universe is comforting

{08:11:33 pm} <JohnGuru> the average person is still living in the shadow of Newton’s image

{08:11:47 pm} <JohnGuru> sure it is

{08:12:39 pm} <JohnGuru> statistics is used to explain why the universe looks deterministic ;)

{08:13:17 pm} <JohnGuru> it’s so — counterintuitive

{08:14:18 pm} <JohnGuru> Marty, if you would do the honors tonight. Lead the discussion. I can take a break

{08:14:44 pm} <JohnGuru> I think you can do it

{08:15:21 pm} <MartyMcFly> thanks, what topic should we do?

{08:15:47 pm} <JohnGuru> free will

{08:15:52 pm} <JohnGuru> or big bang theory

{08:16:08 pm} <JohnGuru> or ethics, what is the foundation of ethics

{08:16:29 pm} <MartyMcFly> order vs chaos

{08:16:37 pm} <JohnGuru> automation. Are we digging our collective grave with robots?

{08:16:45 pm} <JohnGuru> sure, order vs. chaos. I’m fine with that

{08:17:06 pm} <MartyMcFly> bbiab

{08:17:48 pm} <JohnGuru> maybe order is a particular flavor of chaos

{08:17:53 pm} <MartyMcFly> need a bite

{08:17:54 pm} <kblom> I believe kant would disapprove of the role of probability and statistics in modern science

{08:18:11 pm} <JohnGuru> kblom lol, you think so?

{08:18:31 pm} <kblom> john yes

{08:18:33 pm} <JohnGuru> that’s not much of a speculation, kblom mydear

{08:19:17 pm} <JohnGuru> Kant’s work was very much in the direction of finding the ground of things. He wanted the apodictic

{08:19:57 pm} <JohnGuru> I even bought his thin little book, the Ground of ..

{08:20:10 pm} <kblom> the apodeiptic

{08:20:38 pm} <JohnGuru> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundwork_of_the_Metaphysic_of_Morals

{08:20:38 pm} <zhan> Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals (1785; German: Grundlegung zur Metaphysik der Sitten; also known as the Foundations of the Metaphysics of Morals, Grounding of the Metaphysics of Morals, and the Grounding for the Metaphysics of Morals) is the first of Immanuel Kant’s mature works on moral philosophy and remains one of the most influential in the field.

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{08:21:46 pm} <JohnGuru> so. yes.

{08:21:55 pm} <JohnGuru> hey nine, oh nine oh

{08:22:32 pm} <JohnGuru> ap·o·dic·tic

{08:22:33 pm} <JohnGuru> Learn to pronounce

{08:22:33 pm} <JohnGuru> adjectiveFORMAL

{08:22:33 pm} <JohnGuru> clearly established or beyond dispute.

{08:22:45 pm} <kblom> is that where he says science must be apodeictically certain?

{08:23:03 pm} <JohnGuru> uh, I don’t think so

{08:23:18 pm} <JohnGuru> unless it snuck in as a very brief mention

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{08:24:02 pm} <nine> hey JohnGuru

{08:24:09 pm} <nine> sorry, kinda crazy here

{08:24:31 pm} <nine> i watched that Logical positivism video today

{08:24:35 pm} <nine> i didn’t understand any of it

{08:24:37 pm} <JohnGuru> oh yes?

{08:24:41 pm} <JohnGuru> oh no

{08:25:03 pm} <nine> well, i’m not that good at understanding a couple of brits saying all that stuff

{08:25:31 pm} <JohnGuru> damn. I wish I could help, but I have no idea what trips you up

{08:25:35 pm} <nine> can you nut-shell it for me?

{08:25:55 pm} <nine> i mean, he seemed to be talking about some book he wrote and how the world took it

{08:25:58 pm} <nine> i got that i guess

{08:25:59 pm} <nine> a little

{08:26:04 pm} <JohnGuru> logical positivism started as a movement to clean up philosophy

{08:26:15 pm} <nine> i understood already that they want everything to be proven

{08:26:22 pm} <nine> like… scientifically, i guess

{08:26:23 pm} <JohnGuru> that’s right

{08:26:34 pm} <JohnGuru> nothing should be held to be true unless it could be demonstrated

{08:27:08 pm} <JohnGuru> if I wanted to assert that that woman (pointing) and I are married, there should be a way to demonstrte that it must be true

{08:27:22 pm} <nine> a piece of paper maybe

{08:27:27 pm} <JohnGuru> obviously, holding up a marriage certificate would not do it, because that’s a claim by authority

{08:27:32 pm} <nine> does that really prove anything? right

{08:28:05 pm} <nine> i dunno what it even means to “be married” anymore

{08:28:14 pm} <nine> something legal

{08:28:25 pm} <nine> something that can affect reality by rule of law

{08:28:38 pm} <JohnGuru> on the other hand, the act of marriage does not make any changes in the body, so there’s no way to determine marriage by physical inspection

{08:29:05 pm} <JohnGuru> thus, logical positivists would determine that marriage is a meaningless concept, and they would root it out of our discourse

{08:29:15 pm} <kblom> positivism is like the meaning of a proposition is its method of verification

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{08:30:10 pm} <JohnGuru> *nods*

{08:30:47 pm} <JohnGuru> nine, that’s an example of the main reason why logical positivism failed. It sounded good in principle, but it ws like falling on your sword to cute a head cold

{08:30:49 pm} <JohnGuru> cure

{08:31:07 pm} <nine> heh

{08:31:15 pm} <JohnGuru> it nullified too much of the world we live in

{08:31:15 pm} <kblom> john russell and wittgenstein were both great logical posivists

{08:31:20 pm} <nine> yeah, even the guy didn’t seem to have much faith in it

{08:31:23 pm} <nine> the interviewee

{08:31:29 pm} <JohnGuru> right

{08:31:52 pm} <Ragtime^> That was a great speech.

{08:32:00 pm} <JohnGuru> kblom, I know everybody says wittgenstein was a positivist, but I don’t agree. I don’t think he was. He had a strong mystical streak in him

{08:32:00 pm} <nine> grr

{08:32:01 pm} <nine> brb

{08:33:01 pm} <JohnGuru> he was eminently capable of describing the world as a logical positivist would see it, and that’s mostly what he did in the Tractatus, but he also broke with it in that same writing

{08:33:17 pm} <JohnGuru> for example,

{08:33:20 pm} <JohnGuru> “6.41 The sense of the world must lie outside the world. In the world everything is as it is, and everything happens as it does happen: in it no value exists–and if it did exist, it would have no value.” — Tractatus

{08:34:05 pm} <JohnGuru> so you might ask how Wittgenstein thought value entered the question, if it’s not “in” the world

{08:34:57 pm} <JohnGuru> and there’s also

{08:35:00 pm} <JohnGuru> “6.372 Thus people today stop at the laws of nature, treating them as something inviolable, just as God and Fate were treated in past ages. And in fact both are right and both wrong: though the view of the ancients is clearer in so far as they have a clear and acknowledged terminus, while the modern system tries to make it look as if everything were explained.” — Wittgenstein, Tractatus

{08:35:49 pm} <JohnGuru> “5.43 Even at first sight it seems scarcely credible that there should follow from one fact p infinitely many others , namely ~~p, ~~~~p, etc. And it is no less remarkable that the infinite number of propositions of logic (mathematics) follow from half a dozen ‘primitive propositions’. But in fact all the propositions of logic say the same thing, to wit nothing.” — Tractatus

{08:36:01 pm} <JohnGuru> dismisses mathematics with one wave of the hand

{08:36:49 pm} <JohnGuru> okay, sorry. wb MartyMcFly

{08:36:51 pm} <nine> i don’t understand that last statement

{08:37:10 pm} <JohnGuru> nine, ~ is a symbol meaning ‘not’

{08:37:25 pm} <JohnGuru> so you have p, and not not p, and not not not not p

{08:37:34 pm} <nine> pppp

{08:37:42 pm} <JohnGuru> *nods*

{08:38:57 pm} <nine> i dunno if i like philosophy anymore

{08:39:16 pm} <nine> is there any of it that makes sense?

{08:39:45 pm} <JohnGuru> well, it all makes sense to me

{08:40:04 pm} <Ragtime^> nine: If you start with Plato, it makes sense.

{08:40:08 pm} <JohnGuru> there’s a lot I disagree with ..

{08:40:17 pm} <nine> i should probably just stick to what’s in front of me.

{08:40:32 pm} <nine> ooh is val

{08:40:36 pm} <nine> no, he’s not here

{08:40:54 pm} <JohnGuru> valet_zwiiii?

{08:41:16 pm} <nine> btw my first novel is available in paperback format on Barnes-n-Noble’s website

{08:41:18 pm} <JohnGuru> haven’t seen him in a couple of days

{08:41:25 pm} <nine> ahh

{08:41:26 pm} <nine> ok

{08:41:40 pm} <JohnGuru> okay, thanks nine. I’ll check it out

{08:41:54 pm} <JohnGuru> is it available for kindle?

{08:42:06 pm} <nine> ya, let me get the link

{08:42:55 pm} <lakitu> & a new, baby-bird romance is itself a deep topic.

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> Get Plunk now!

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> e-book

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> https://books2read.com/u/b5kEAp

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> paperback

{08:43:35 pm} <nine> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/plunc-domnul-tesh/1138706487?ean=9781735820224

{08:43:36 pm} <lakitu> for a new mother & child, it is a the mother’s most special time; all care & coddling is lavished on her bundle of Holy Beauty & all-consuming Lovability;

{08:43:37 pm} <zhan> Available now at your favorite digital store!

{08:43:38 pm} <zhan> Plunc|Paperback

{08:43:45 pm} <nine> oops i coppied too much

{08:43:48 pm} <JohnGuru> thanks nine

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{08:44:02 pm} <nine> :)

{08:44:10 pm} <nine> valet wants to read it

{08:45:32 pm} <JohnGuru> who is Domnul Tesh?

{08:46:18 pm} <nine> Domnul means “mister” in romanian

{08:46:25 pm} <nine> TESH is my initials

{08:46:27 pm} <JohnGuru> oh!

{08:46:37 pm} <nine> i was in love with a romanian for a long time

{08:46:42 pm} <JohnGuru> that’s clever, so you have a nom de plum without revealing your name

{08:46:50 pm} <nine> hehe

{08:46:52 pm} <nine> yeah

{08:46:52 pm} <kblom> never heard of Domnul Tesh

{08:46:57 pm} <nine> HE is ME

{08:47:14 pm} <nine> i was so disappointed to find that I was not the only Tesh out there

{08:47:24 pm} <nine> there are a couple of women with that name, and one man.

{08:47:28 pm} <nine> (so far)+

{08:48:27 pm} <JohnGuru> I’ll see if we can keep it simple, nine

{08:48:45 pm} <nine> keep what simple?

{08:48:47 pm} <JohnGuru> there’s no need to push here into professional philo

{08:48:57 pm} <nine> huh?

{08:49:08 pm} <JohnGuru> well, you said you don’t like philosophy

{08:49:18 pm} <nine> well, i wouldn’t go that far

{08:49:27 pm} <nine> i loved the stuff about kant’s glasses

{08:49:31 pm} <nine> and a lot of other things here

{08:49:48 pm} <nine> i probably was exaggerating earlier

{08:49:54 pm} <JohnGuru> good :)

{08:50:05 pm} <nine> :D

{08:50:29 pm} <JohnGuru> I’ve been glad that there’s at least one channel regular who likes phiosophy

{08:50:38 pm} <nine> hah

{08:50:42 pm} <nine> i think there’s more than one

{08:50:49 pm} <nine> there’re?

{08:51:23 pm} <JohnGuru> well, I know kblom likes science

{08:51:41 pm} <nine> science suxors

{08:51:44 pm} <nine> heheh

{08:52:11 pm} <nine> ok, i’ll stop trolling now

{08:52:14 pm} <JohnGuru> I respect science, but it’s a very shallow subject

{08:52:20 pm} <nine> oh?

{08:52:38 pm} <nine> i mean, i think so, too, but probably for different reasons

{08:53:03 pm} <JohnGuru> it only goes skin deep. It attends to the visible, the demonstrable. Like we were saying about logical positivism, it tries to eliminate everything else

{08:53:31 pm} <nine> Mmm

{08:53:51 pm} <JohnGuru> Richard Rorty realized that science doesn’t necessarily exclude mysticism. He had a great lecture on youtube about the compatibility between religion and science

{08:54:48 pm} <nine> sounds like that dude and that other dude who are always arguing arguing.

{08:54:58 pm} <JohnGuru> yeah

{08:55:01 pm} <nine> i hate that my memory is so bad

{08:55:05 pm} <nine> you know who i mean?

{08:55:08 pm} <JohnGuru> mw roo

{08:55:10 pm} <JohnGuru> me too

{08:55:12 pm} <JohnGuru> no

{08:55:22 pm} <nine> imma find it

{09:00:36 pm} <JohnGuru> Dawkins?

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> brb

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> no

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> one’s kinda religious

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> the other not

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> I think I know who you mean

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> Christopher Hitchins and Ben somebody

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> they’re always arguing on youtube

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> nah… i’m still looking

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> one starts with a J

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> the other is religious

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> I’ve forgotten his name. He irritates the spit outa me, though

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> jordan peterson

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> and the other guy is religious

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> oh him

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> jordan peterson is interesting on religious topics but otherwise useless

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> i liked his assessment of how monkeys became men

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> or something

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> i should shut pu

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> up

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> oh yeah?

{09:00:37 pm} <kblom> every Ted Talks I heard on NPR was utterly devoid of content

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> lol nine

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> kblom, I gave up on TED talks long time ago

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> my time is up

{09:00:37 pm} <JohnGuru> gnight all

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> g’nite john

{09:00:37 pm} <nine> hey, you doing alright?

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{09:00:37 pm} <nine> guess so

{09:00:40 pm} <nine> hehe

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{09:00:55 pm} <kblom> bye john

{09:05:16 pm} <lakitu> for an enthusiastic romancer of a new courtship, there is nothing greater. all ships revolve around this locus; all roads lead to romance. he is in a state of having just struck gold – counseled by all his strengthy tendencies to be guarded – but sapping a rapturous syrup deeprooted within him, & ‘like an archer called to the games, a performance artist looking to land his every assail, to slay the goliath beast of her ignorance of him,

{09:05:16 pm} <lakitu> of the battlefield’s rumors against him, of his weaknesses for which he must compensate in her eyes. his conduct must be perfect, & uglinesses pain acutely at this time. he takes his pouches of risk & reward, balancing them for his best showmanship. she is ‘like an infant – & just ‘like a child not always the willingest – in his constant tending to her every desire – gathering the special woods for the special fires she, often enough

{09:05:16 pm} <lakitu> unspokenly, has interest in having for herself. riches require entrepreneurial research, nearly vain displays of demonstrating his compact with her, the realness of his word, the fervence of his foundry for her. power must flow thru the veins of – in challenges even encroaching on his sovereignty, his manhood. decorum, sobriety, elegance are like kings in your two’s class, making in her eyes a probably neverending ascent of the ladder of

{09:05:16 pm} <lakitu> society into higher-society. her tamping of the dream of fame she could eat the fruit of is a bittersweet thing to procure – he is not alone in her fame, but she is Beautiful, attractive, the most graceful to him, & if he has high enough hopes, he may alight her imagination with the potential of fame being bestowed on her.

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{09:06:30 pm} <valet_zwiiii> hya

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{09:07:58 pm} <lakitu> {09:07:24 pm} valet_zwiiii!*@* added to ignore list.

{09:08:07 pm} <lakitu> we get too many trolls.

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{09:11:07 pm} <lakitu> {“manhood” corrected to “manliness”:} for an enthusiastic romancer of a new courtship, there is nothing greater. all ships revolve around this locus; all roads lead to romance. he is in a state of having just struck gold – counseled by all his strengthy tendencies to be guarded – but sapping a rapturous syrup deeprooted within him, & ‘like an archer called to the games, a performance artist looking to land his every assail, to slay the

{09:11:07 pm} <lakitu> goliath beast of her ignorance of him, of the battlefield’s rumors against him, of his weaknesses for which he must compensate in her eyes. his conduct must be perfect, & uglinesses pain acutely at this time. he takes his pouches of risk & reward, balancing them for his best showmanship. she is ‘like an infant – & just ‘like a child not always the willingest – in his constant tending to her every desire – gathering the special woods for

{09:11:07 pm} <lakitu> the special fires she, often enough unspokenly, has interest in having for herself. riches require entrepreneurial research, nearly vain displays of demonstrating his compact with her, the realness of his word, the fervence of his foundry for her. power must flow thru the veins of – in challenges even encroaching on his sovereignty, his manliness. decorum, sobriety, elegance are like kings in your two’s class, making in her eyes a

{09:11:07 pm} <lakitu> probably neverending ascent of the ladder of society into higher-society. her tamping of the dream of fame she could eat the fruit of is a bittersweet thing to procure – he is not alone in her fame, but she is Beautiful, attractive, the most graceful to him, & if he has high enough hopes, he may alight her imagination with the potential of fame being bestowed on her.

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{09:19:39 pm} <Fixion> hey all, just thought I’d drop in and say hi anyway, since I’m clearly too late for the usual JG fiasco :)

{09:19:48 pm} <LionClan> hi Fixion

{09:19:58 pm} <Fixion> (note I was kidding about the whole fiasco thing)

{09:19:59 pm} <LionClan> Just missed him

{09:20:24 pm} <Fixion> so how’s things?

{09:20:52 pm} <Fixion> Valet of course not its IRC how would I see you?

{09:20:53 pm} <LionClan> hi zwiiii

{09:21:18 pm} <LionClan> Don’t let anyone make you give up metaphors

{09:22:08 pm} <Fixion> LC I find it can be enjoyable taking them literally instead at times

{09:22:44 pm} <LionClan> Speak literally when you are talking to someone that has a different native language.

{09:23:02 pm} <LionClan> That works very well.

{09:23:40 pm} <LionClan> Then you are fluent in English

{09:24:33 pm} <LionClan> The statement was meant to be provocative

{09:25:45 pm} <LionClan> Flemish Knights moved to Scotland and became Barons

{09:25:46 pm} <Fixion> the ground when you’re doing a handstand? (although scientifically speaking thats technically untrue given that up is relative to a centrifugal (or was it centripetal?) force…

{09:26:38 pm} <Fixion> Flemish? it sounds like perhaps you need to clear your throat?

{09:27:56 pm} <LionClan> Eggs butter milk cheese are good English, and good friese.

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{09:29:56 pm} <Fixion> the only thing I remember about dutch is its kinda similar in some ways to German but definitely opposite with its V’s and W’s… Germans have VolksVagons and Dutch have WolksWagons… or something like that..

{09:29:58 pm} <lakitu> & I myself, in telling this, did not avoid being a man: he & I both think of the big wins – she is looking for signs of a steady spigot more than a huge power-generating waterfall for her longer-term interest– there is an old joke about sex: men are firefighters & women are lawyers– but of course this can be quite the joy in a woman’s life, a man’s lavishing her with attention, eager & almost overeager to perform for her cravings,

{09:29:58 pm} <lakitu> desires, interests, even piqued curiosities – & this leads to one of the center rubies of my book, this dialogue will feature in: to answer the call of Love, which is this: to drink deep of the fountain of youth of immortal courting, & never leave that heaven of your Love.

In the following chat transcript I am “lakitu”; it was from just now, Friday, June 5th, 2020 A.D. The people in the room were: (ZShurp) (mazy^grace) +Ragtime^ deRuyter (guerro) (chonkin) +ratshopping (a.k.a fattratt) lux +bananstol +Fixion (a.k.a ForgeAus) Krishna_ +chipmonk__ WizardDarwin +friida (a.k.a fridjiit) +ThinkNChat +JohnLee @lakitu JackK BabyJesus666 +repne_scasb (a.k.a inhahe) +Cyberclaus +JohnStar +Skept +`411 +kblom (a.k.a slowfi, a.k.a waub) +barathron +DarwinElf @Socrates easel +FreqOut (a.k.a ControlFreq) +KnightDarwin @X +sigma +Dendron +_Sol_ +chalcedony muadnem

{09:07:17 pm:} <lakitu> oh that reminds me

{09:07:26 pm:} <lakitu> –Ragtime feel free to work your topic

{09:09:56 pm:} <muadnem> The same people that don’t care about coronavirus deaths and now complaining about a dozen deaths from riots.

{09:10:02 pm:} <lakitu> –i had wanted to go on once again about this time summonry, i had mentioned… invoking a reminder schedule even months in advance

{09:12:36 pm:} <kblom> if the cops don’t get them covid19 will

{09:14:11 pm:} <kblom> political protest during a plague

{09:15:39 pm:} <kblom> sol I don’t see how that’s possible

{09:16:08 pm:} _Sol_!*@* removed from ignore list.

{09:16:33 pm:} <lakitu> _Sol_ you were accidentally on this ignore list, missed a comme[n]t or two of yours, maybe

{09:18:16 pm:} <lakitu> the old way of doing this was to use a calendar, & with enough diligence – & re-writing an entire calendar, if you did not ‘modularize’ your schedules you recorded, whenever you made a change

{09:18:21 pm:} <lakitu> .w horology

{09:18:28 pm:} <`411> “Horology (‘the study of time’, related to Latin horologium from Greek ὡρολόγιον, ‘instrument for telling the hour’, from ὥρα hṓra ‘hour; time’ and -o- interfix and suffix -logy)[1][2] is the study of the measurement of time. Clocks, watches, clockwork, sundials, hourglasses, clepsydras, timers, time recorders, marine chronometers, and atomic clocks are all examples of instruments used to measure time. In current (…)”

{09:18:30 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horology

{09:18:31 pm:} <lakitu> .w5 horology

{09:18:34 pm:} <`411> “Horology (‘the study of time’, related to Latin horologium from Greek ὡρολόγιον, ‘instrument for telling the hour’, from ὥρα hṓra ‘hour; time’ and -o- interfix and suffix -logy)[1][2] is the study of the measurement of time. Clocks, watches, clockwork, sundials, hourglasses, clepsydras, timers, time recorders, marine chronometers, and atomic clocks are all examples of instruments used to measure (…)”

{09:18:40 pm:} <`411> “time. In current usage, horology refers mainly to the study of mechanical time-keeping devices, while chronometry more broadly includes electronic devices that have largely supplanted mechanical clocks for the best accuracy and precision in time-keeping. People interested in horology are called horologists. That term is used both by people who deal professionally with timekeeping apparatus (watchmakers, (…)”

{09:18:46 pm:} <`411> “clockmakers), as well as aficionados and scholars of horology. Horology and horologists have numerous organizations, both professional associations and more scholarly societies. The largest horological membership organisation globally is the NAWCC, the National Association of Watch and Clock Collectors, which is USA based, but also has local chapters elsewhere. There are many horology museums and several (…)”

{09:18:52 pm:} <`411> “specialized libraries devoted to the subject. One example is the Royal Greenwich Observatory, which is also the source of the Prime Meridian (longitude 0° 0′ 0′), and the home of the first marine timekeepers accurate enough to determine longitude (made by John Harrison). Other horological museums in the London area include the Clockmakers’ Museum, which re-opened at the Science Museum in October 2015, the (…)”

{09:18:58 pm:} <`411> “horological collections at the British Museum, the Science Museum (London), and the Wallace Collection. In Upton, UK, at the headquarters of the British Horological Institute, there is the Museum of Timekeeping. One of the more comprehensive museums dedicated to horology is the Musée international d’horlogerie in La Chaux-de-Fonds (Switzerland). The Musée d’Horlogerie du Locle is smaller but located nearby. One (…)”

{09:19:00 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horology

{09:19:10 pm:} <`411> “Horus or Her, Heru, Hor, Har in Ancient Egyptian, is one of the most significant ancient Egyptian deities who served many functions, most notably god of kingship and the sky. He was worshipped from at least the late prehistoric Egypt until the Ptolemaic Kingdom and Roman Egypt. Different forms of Horus are recorded in history and these are treated as distinct gods by Egyptologists.[2] These various forms may (…)”

{09:19:12 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus

{09:20:12 pm:} <kblom> I believe spanish relojo watch, clock is from greek horologium

{09:20:15 pm:} <muadnem> If I want to read wikipedia I could just open a browser, ya know

{09:20:30 pm:} <kblom> or is it reloj?

{09:21:16 pm:} <`411> No article name given.

{09:21:24 pm:} <`411> “Meh (/mɛ/) is an interjection used as an expression of indifference or boredom. It is often regarded as a verbal equivalent of a shrug of the shoulders. The use of the term ‘meh’ shows that the speaker is apathetic, uninterested, or indifferent to the question or subject at hand. It is occasionally used as an adjective, meaning something is mediocre or unremarkable.[1] Meh is popularly used as a catch-all answer (…)”

{09:21:26 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meh

{09:21:28 pm:} <muadnem> This channel seems exclusively for people with ADD

{09:22:55 pm:} <muadnem> I just mean there actually being a conversation with a topic.

{09:23:14 pm:} <muadnem> But it’s constant topic switching and inane bs

{09:23:40 pm:} <lakitu> .w5 chronometry

{09:23:43 pm:} <`411> “Chronometry (from Greek χρόνος chronos, ‘time’ and μέτρον metron, ‘measure’) is the science of the measurement of time, or timekeeping.[1] It should not to be confused with chronology, the science of locating events in time, which often relies upon it. Cognitive chronometry History of timekeeping devices Horology Mental chronometry Timeline of time measurement technology Timekeeping Standards and (…)”

{09:23:45 pm:} <muadnem> I have

{09:23:45 pm:} <`411> “measurement stubs Science stubs Articles needing additional references from December 2009 All articles needing additional references All stub articles”

{09:23:53 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronometry

{09:24:30 pm:} <`411> “Chronos (/ˈkroʊnɒs/; Greek: Χρόνος, [kʰrónos], ‘time’), also spelled Khronos or Chronus, is the personification of time in pre-Socratic philosophy and later literature.[1] Chronos already was confused with, or perhaps consciously identified with, the Titan Cronus in antiquity due to the similarity in names.[2] The identification became more widespread during the Renaissance, giving rise to the allegory of (…)”

{09:24:32 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronos

{09:26:25 pm:} <muadnem> Storytelling is entertainment

{09:27:26 pm:} <muadnem> I would consider it all entertainment

{09:27:43 pm:} <muadnem> Including true stories

{09:28:09 pm:} <lakitu> ahem

{09:28:18 pm:} <lakitu> that being said

{09:28:26 pm:} <kblom> yeah Cronos with a kappa and Chronos with a chi. greeks never confuse them but romans did, not having the chi sound, a bit like german ch in Bach

{09:28:37 pm:} <muadnem> Yeah, they’re just pretending there is a greater purpose

{09:28:54 pm:} <muadnem> I would say entertainment is the only purpose

{09:29:45 pm:} <kblom> I believe Cicero confused Kronos with Chronos

{09:29:46 pm:} <lakitu> it is incredibly cool to be able to issue personal plans 45 weeks away, using a few sleights of the wrist.

{09:29:58 pm:} <lakitu> (heh kblom)

{09:31:56 pm:} <`411> “Hubris (/ˈhjuːbrɪs/, from ancient Greek ὕβρις) describes a personality quality of extreme or foolish pride or dangerous overconfidence,[1] often in combination with (or synonymous with) arrogance.[2] In its ancient Greek context, it typically describes behavior that defies the norms of behavior or challenges the gods which, in turn, brings about the downfall of the perpetrator of hubris. The adjectival form of (…)”

{09:31:58 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris

{09:34:36 pm:} <kblom> the vice of excessive pride?

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{09:34:58 pm:} <lakitu> who keeps invoking these things?

{09:35:08 pm:} <lakitu> i have some people on my IRC /ignore list

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{09:36:25 pm:} <muadnem> Yeah, I’m ‘invoking hubris’

{09:36:47 pm:} <lakitu> so –

{09:36:58 pm:} <muadnem> I have my own view. Oh no

{09:37:05 pm:} <lakitu> as i was saying

{09:37:23 pm:} <lakitu> .ety plant

{09:37:26 pm:} <`411> “Old English plante ‘young tree or shrub, herb newly planted,’ from Latin planta ‘sprout, shoot, cutting’ (source of Spanish planta, French plante), perhaps from *plantare ‘to drive in with the feet, push into the ground with the feet,’ from planta ‘sole of the foot,’ from nasalized form of PIE root *plat- ‘to spread.’Broader sense of ‘any vegetable life, vegetation generally’ is first recorded 1550s. (…)

{09:37:28 pm:} <lakitu> .ety plan

{09:37:32 pm:} <`411> Most extended usages are from the verb, on the notion of ‘something planted;’ such as ‘construction for an industrial process,’ 1789, at first with reference to the set-up of machinery, later also the building; also slang meaning ‘a spy’ (1812). Many of these follow similar developments in the French form of the word. German Pflanz, Irish cland, Welsh plant are from Latin. “

{09:37:38 pm:} <`411> “1670s as a technical term in perspective drawing; 1706 as ‘drawing, sketch, or diagram of any object,’ from French plan ‘ground plan, map,’ literally ‘plane surface’ (mid-16c.), from Latin planum ‘level or flat surface,’ noun use of adjective planus ‘level, flat’ (from PIE root *pele- (2) ‘flat; to spread’). The notion is of ‘a drawing on a flat surface.’ Meaning ‘scheme of action, design’ is first (…)

{09:37:39 pm:} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/plant

{09:37:40 pm:} <`411> recorded 1706, possibly influenced by French planter ‘to plant,’ from Italian planta ‘ground plan.'”

{09:37:42 pm:} <`411> — from https://www.etymonline.com/word/plan

{09:38:06 pm:} <lakitu> “plant” comes from “planned”

{09:38:09 pm:} <kblom> from nicomachean ethics I’d guess there is the vice of deficient pride and the virtue of sufficient pride

{09:38:12 pm:} <muadnem> I can consider other people’s views. I just don’t find them coherent.

{09:38:30 pm:} <lakitu> to plant is to plan, to plan is to plant

{09:38:54 pm:} <lakitu> in this etymology

{09:38:59 pm:} <kblom> excessive pride is a vice

{09:39:03 pm:} <lakitu> in this connection of words

{09:39:03 pm:} <muadnem> Ok. Well if you have an actual argument, go for it.

{09:39:39 pm:} <muadnem> I know. You just make pronouncements.

{09:39:44 pm:} <lakitu> & with planting, we have this same idea – plant in Spring, reap in the harvest season

{09:40:04 pm:} <lakitu> say for agricultural operations, for farmers, & for gardeners

{09:40:21 pm:} <muadnem> Not exclusively, no.

{09:40:46 pm:} <muadnem> At least there are opinions that are more coherent than others

{09:41:03 pm:} <lakitu> even little girls’ & boys’ indoor herb pottings have a season to plant, & a season to harvest

{09:41:49 pm:} <muadnem> Like, if your ‘point of view’ is self-contradictory, then I think it has problems

{09:42:41 pm:} <muadnem> Maybe your point of view doesn’t care about non-contradiction. But at think point I don’t think it’s worth considering.

{09:43:09 pm:} <lakitu> & these are like all our plans, the seed of the idea contains the plant that will spring from it – if it is planned right

{09:43:40 pm:} <lakitu> & nurtured to fruition

{09:44:34 pm:} <muadnem> It’s not really possible to consider it

{09:45:54 pm:} <lakitu> but what does a plant require but nurture? the love of the gardener is for the daily, weekly – the timely works of her plot

{09:45:56 pm:} <muadnem> Maybe in a deep state of meditation I can imagine self-contradictory things. I think there is much to say about it though

{09:46:10 pm:} <muadnem> I think there isnt much*

{09:47:43 pm:} <muadnem> A point of view that is full of self condition is a dime a dozen. I’ll defined and/or self-contradictory

{09:47:51 pm:} <muadnem> Ill defined

{09:48:35 pm:} <muadnem> Well, if you’re going to talk about things you better define your terms

{09:48:46 pm:} <muadnem> As Voltaire said

{09:49:25 pm:} <muadnem> Otherwise you’re just babbling about your delusions

{09:49:45 pm:} <kblom> as an army brat every family had a small plot of land on the army base to grow vegetables. I grew tomatoes and green peppers.my brother grew weird things like eggplant

{09:50:57 pm:} <muadnem> Without a common language and common definitions, we’re not capable of having a conversation

{09:51:23 pm:} <muadnem> Unless you want to play peakaboo

{09:51:41 pm:} <lakitu> https://www.farmersalmanac.com/calendar/gardening/

{09:51:41 pm:} <JohnStar> Title: Farmers’ Almanac Gardening Calendar

{09:51:43 pm:} <lakitu> heh heh kblom

{09:51:45 pm:} <`411> — “Farmers’ Almanac Gardening Calendar”

{09:52:08 pm:} <muadnem> I don’t think there are that many unique points of view

{09:52:42 pm:} <lakitu> “June 2020

{09:52:42 pm:} <lakitu> (…)

{09:52:42 pm:} <lakitu> 27th – 28th

{09:52:42 pm:} <lakitu> Sow grains and forage crops. Plant flowers. Favorable for planting peas, beans, tomatoes, and other fall crops bearing aboveground.”

{09:52:54 pm:} <lakitu> (“(…)”)

{09:53:06 pm:} <lakitu> an excerpt ^

{09:53:06 pm:} <kblom> my older brother was forever into weird things

{09:54:10 pm:} <muadnem> Yeah, I don’t believe that.

{09:54:55 pm:} <muadnem> People have entirely derivative points of view

{09:54:56 pm:} <lakitu> & on & on. that Farmers’ Almanac has ‘plans’ for every day, for your plants

{09:55:51 pm:} <lakitu> i’m sure at some people there were people who went by the Farmers’ Almanac & people who really just freely improvised, & the people who went by the ‘Almanac flourished much better

{09:56:08 pm:} <lakitu> * i’m sure at one point there were people who went by the Farmers’ Almanac & people who really just freely improvised, & the people who went by the ‘Almanac flourished much better

{09:56:15 pm:} <lakitu> i was there writing.

{09:57:47 pm:} <kblom> what were you writing about?

{09:58:23 pm:} <lakitu> planting calendars.

{09:58:46 pm:} <lakitu> –see, & what i am saying is,

{10:01:14 pm:} <lakitu> we are able to do this for _LIFE_ – your own dealings, your own re-occurring doings: habits like going for walks often, reading about horology, keeping up with a favorite friend, getting your hair Beautified

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{10:01:49 pm:} <kblom> I was thinking that the Stoics pretty much said all the philosophy life I need to hear

{10:01:50 pm:} <lakitu> there are so so so so so many things like this, we love, we want to do, we try our very best to do

{10:02:13 pm:} <lakitu> i must’ve thought of 300 examples while authoring this software

{10:03:09 pm:} <lakitu> it is like you are making a Farmers’ Almanac of your life, with this philosophy of life enterprise

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{10:03:36 pm:} <lakitu> & what was the proverb i gave?: “Plan well.”

{10:04:01 pm:} <Fixion> kblom but did they reach conclusions?

{10:04:03 pm:} <lakitu> it is like making music of your life’s doings

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{10:05:14 pm:} <lakitu> the ardorous watering & weeding of the garden is followed by a nice shower & tea & candies

{10:06:10 pm:} <lakitu> for a sort of personal life cadence scored into your Friday…

{10:06:51 pm:} <lakitu> to be clear: planned: scheduled

{10:06:57 pm:} <lakitu> planned – scheduled

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{10:08:02 pm:} <lakitu> & it is in that way, like making music of your daily acts & other deeds

{10:08:54 pm:} <lakitu> of what you do

{10:10:27 pm:} <kblom> fixion some would sat that of epitetus’ enchiridion. a collection of stoic macims

{10:10:56 pm:} <kblom> epictetus

{10:12:16 pm:} <kblom> maxims

{10:12:20 pm:} <lakitu> now, for all the excitement & personal labor i have into this program, you don’t need this program to do what i’m describing. at its most basic you could use a textile calendar, & plan well.

{10:17:53 pm:} <lakitu> i am currently undertaking a large exploration of habit rooted largely in the philosophy of life, in ethics/morality, & other propitious enterprises

{10:18:06 pm:} <lakitu> my folder is fat, haha.

{10:18:47 pm:} <lakitu> & i am trying to traverse these things from every angle, every angle creatively worth exploring

{10:19:13 pm:} <kblom> laitu I always thoughtreomans were unable to do phiosophy. now I read that cicero and cato and seneca and epictetus and aureleus were good

{10:20:16 pm:} <lakitu> try Ad Herennium, kblom

{10:20:48 pm:} <lakitu> that work was a few grades beyond mastery.

{10:22:58 pm:} <lakitu> i remember Cato…

{10:23:33 pm:} <lakitu> .w Cato

{10:23:36 pm:} <`411> “Cato may refer to: Distichs of Cato, or simply Cato, a Latin collection of proverbial wisdom and morality from the 3rd or 4th century AD author Dionysius Cato; Cato’s Letters, a series of classical liberal essays by British writers John Trenchard and Thomas Gordon written in the 1720s; Cato, a Tragedy, 18th century drama by Joseph Addison, based on the life of Cato the Younger; Cato Institute, American (…)”

{10:23:38 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_Institute

{10:24:33 pm:} <lakitu> i think the forefathers of democracy admired Cato, altho other people will know about this better

{10:27:38 pm:} <kblom> the roman philosophers are often ignored

{10:27:49 pm:} <lakitu> true

{10:30:09 pm:} <lakitu> – continuing tho, now: for example, what place could poetics have in philosophy, to a real romantic poet? an answer – a creative one – is that you could plan your poetics habit – using such a calendar or other timekeeping device(s)

{10:30:49 pm:} <lakitu> pull you out of the morass of minutiae, of wasted words, of bread & circuses =D

{10:31:16 pm:} <lakitu> ‘a remembering to poeticize’ – this way

{10:31:20 pm:} <lakitu> that is the answer i have,

{10:33:16 pm:} <lakitu> for demonstrating how you can creatively apply the many things of Life to such philosophy of life, such ethics/morals, in terms of planned habit.

{10:34:38 pm:} <lakitu> cooking/shopping, reading, walking, talking, going to movies – even just to schedule a reminder of fun activities for a weekend – why not? you might not think it in your grogginess on a late Saturday morning, waking up

{10:35:36 pm:} <lakitu> i am blindsided frequently by reminders – out of the blue needs of the hour i had understood but thru distraction, bread & circuses, etc, became oblivious too – a “tube zombie”, artalien might say

{10:35:57 pm:} <lakitu> it is that nice reminder to shove off into some higher purpose.

{10:36:42 pm:} <lakitu> became oblivious [to].*

{10:36:47 pm:} <lakitu> became oblivious to.*

(…) {10:39:51 pm:} <lakitu> a very good thing about this is i learn to do these things which i had wished to become my habits in my life – if nothing else, thru simple repetition

{10:41:25 pm:} <lakitu> i make habits of what i had wanted to become my habits, beyond the calendar/reminders

{10:45:22 pm:} <lakitu> — & there is some amount of genius in dividing the months into about-4 7-day periods, & so on.

{10:48:47 pm:} <lakitu> the phases of the moon are like a very handy, coincidentally-extant frame of reference we found would be referenceable no matter how fair we set sail . . . it is not so much we organize our monthly activities in direct connection to the moon, & its phases, but that it was something we could use that would be ubiquitous.

{10:49:34 pm:} <lakitu> (how far we set sail.*)

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{11:05:54 pm:} <lakitu> i just want to say too, this philosophy of life habit planning is meant to EMPOWER *YOU* – *YOU* control what you do, when you do it, & have this little appliance – be it the calendar or the very software i have progressed a good jaunt authoring – to help you.

{11:06:04 pm:} <lakitu> to help you do what you want

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{11:07:40 pm:} <lakitu> it would be a sick perversion of this software to adminster people’s lives against their wills, in the seemingly endless ways that are wrong which that can be done

{11:08:04 pm:} <lakitu> – & is not my design, in it.

{11:08:49 pm:} <lakitu> – hi guerro.

{11:12:08 pm:} <friida> i crush them with my thighs

{11:12:23 pm:} <lakitu> ha – i must

{11:12:27 pm:} <lakitu> have someone on /ignore

{11:12:38 pm:} <lakitu> but it isn’t friida.

{11:12:48 pm:} <lakitu> hahah

{11:13:08 pm:} <friida> darn

{11:13:17 pm:} <lakitu> ^_^

{11:13:46 pm:} <lakitu> largely i think the model of say recordkeeping, in comparison to timekeeping, say, is used for good, & other similar enterprises.

{11:13:51 pm:} <lakitu> i was going to say

{11:14:25 pm:} <lakitu> calendars are not more used for wrong than right, nor the writing, etc

{11:14:36 pm:} <lakitu> * calendars are not more used for wrong than right, nor writing, etc

{11:18:39 pm:} <lakitu> here’s my direction i’m taking them: sending thoroughly contemplated philosophy of life / ethical/moral reminders *to smart watches* heh heh

{11:19:29 pm:} <lakitu> “It is time to experience Beauty.” (…) “No really, my watch says, It is time to experience Beauty.” lol

{11:20:55 pm:} <muadnem> I’ve already experienced beauty. What’s next

{11:21:13 pm:} * lakitu taps a plus sign for a folio of his favorite collected ways to experience Beauty… “”hmm… photographs Beautiful Girls have sent me… photographs i have found of Beautiful Girls… chatting up Beautiful Girls… finding Beautiful Girls…– the choices are endless!!”

{11:22:05 pm:} <muadnem> There’s a lot of things more beautiful that some ape with its tits out.

{11:22:33 pm:} <lakitu> the choices are endless.



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{11:24:15 pm:} <lakitu> hey mazy

{11:24:19 pm:} <mazy^grace> hiya

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{11:25:52 pm:} <mazy^grace> think I need one more game of uno

{11:25:53 pm:} <mazy^grace> bbl

{11:26:34 pm:} <muadnem> Tits have never made me cry

{11:28:33 pm:} <muadnem> Tits are powerful but there’s a lot more beauty to be had.

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{11:31:58 pm:} <muadnem> The most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen was a pool of gears

{11:32:24 pm:} <muadnem> Pouring out of my coat closet

{11:33:08 pm:} <lakitu> just to be clear, so someone doesn’t misconstrue this, very early into sending myself reminders into the future, it was obvious that many of my reminders were best as offerings – you could do this, you said remind you of that, etc. it would be some cross misinterpretation to say i am marshaling 3 o’clocks as the Beauty hour for me – too bad if the baby’s crying, too bad if you have plants to water, etc

{11:34:20 pm:} <muadnem> Gears at every angle

{11:34:22 pm:} <lakitu> so.

{11:34:30 pm:} <muadnem> A pool of gears

{11:34:38 pm:} <mazy^grace> howdy Raggy

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{11:35:26 pm:} <mazy^grace> ok……. bedtime for Bonzo

{11:35:27 pm:} <mazy^grace> niters

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{11:37:24 pm:} <muadnem> It all came from the woodgrain

{11:38:33 pm:} <lakitu> .w book of hours

{11:38:35 pm:} <`411> “The book of hours is a Christian devotional book popular in the Middle Ages. It is the most common type of surviving medieval illuminated manuscript. Like every manuscript, each manuscript book of hours is unique in one way or another, but most contain a similar collection of texts, prayers and psalms, often with appropriate decorations, for Christian devotion. Illumination or decoration is minimal in many (…)”

{11:38:37 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_hours

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{11:38:58 pm:} <muadnem> Woodgrain closet doors … Not woodgrain alcohol, though that might have contributed minorly

{11:39:12 pm:} <lakitu> look at some of these pictures: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hours,_Morgan_MS_493

{11:39:14 pm:} <JohnStar> Title: Black Hours, Morgan MS 493 – Wikipedia

{11:39:19 pm:} <`411> “The Black Hours, MS M.493 (or the Morgan Black Hours) is an illuminated book of hours completed in Bruges between 1460 and 1475.[1] It consists of 121 leaves, with Latin text written in Gothic minuscule script. The words are arranged in rows of fourteen lines, and follow the Roman version of the texts. The lettering is inscribed in silver and gold, and placed within borders ornamented with flowers, foliage and (…)”

{11:39:21 pm:} <`411> — from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hours,_Morgan_MS_493

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{11:39:46 pm:} <muadnem> I think the biggest influence was me detoxing from prescribed antidepressants

{11:42:19 pm:} <muadnem> But, sometimes I would just close my eyes and see outlines girls doing hula hoops

{11:44:55 pm:} <muadnem> And sometimes with my eyes open

{11:45:11 pm:} <muadnem> I thought I could see through walls

{11:45:54 pm:} <muadnem> But it was always girls behind them

{11:48:22 pm:} <lakitu> that is one phillosophy software work i am authoring.

{11:49:18 pm:} <muadnem> Have you ever finished anything?

{11:49:38 pm:} <lakitu> haha. *muadnem yells from the stands*

{11:49:53 pm:} <lakitu> – making me laugh

{11:50:20 pm:} <muadnem> I have the same problem

{11:50:40 pm:} <lakitu> my works are numerous

{11:51:11 pm:} <muadnem> I’ve done some things.

{11:51:52 pm:} <muadnem> Yeah, it made me feel zonked a bit

{11:51:57 pm:} <lakitu> that is part of the schedule part of agendas & schedules i have mentioned

{11:52:20 pm:} <lakitu> – the agenda part i will ’till’ a bit here too

{11:52:29 pm:} <muadnem> Its a good representative of antidepressants

{11:52:39 pm:} <muadnem> Imo

{11:53:20 pm:} <lakitu> what this is about is **getting your ducks in a row** – largely thru *prioritization* & sustained attention

{11:53:25 pm:} <muadnem> Mood dulling

{11:53:32 pm:} <lakitu> & these two, agendas & schedules, connect here:

{11:53:53 pm:} <lakitu> i use reminders to return to my agenda

{11:54:05 pm:} <lakitu> –& that is so crucial

{11:54:13 pm:} <lakitu> if you are working agendas.

{11:54:26 pm:} <lakitu> you must return to that agenda habitually

{11:54:39 pm:} <lakitu> re-occuringly

{11:55:21 pm:} <lakitu> if you are to systematically further those causes/’to-dos’

{11:55:28 pm:} <lakitu> – to-do items.

{11:55:49 pm:} <lakitu> i made a big poster/paper, that i taped up: IMPORTANT: HABITUALLY DO TO-DO LIST

{11:55:51 pm:} <muadnem> Getting your ducks in a row so the police can pepper spray them better

{11:56:04 pm:} <lakitu> another thing you can do is tie it to something you do regularly, to start – say after breakfast

{11:56:13 pm:} <lakitu> when many read the news

{11:56:19 pm:} <muadnem> I don’t eat breakfast

{11:56:47 pm:} <lakitu> – i prefer to focus on my agenda before & most of the time more than the news

{11:57:04 pm:} <lakitu> i think it – this – is an advancement beyond news-consumption at this high of rate as we do

{11:57:20 pm:} <lakitu> agendas & scheduling

{11:57:31 pm:} <lakitu> agendas & schedules

{11:57:49 pm:} <lakitu> “What is an agenda?” – What is an agenda to me?

{11:58:05 pm:} <muadnem> It’s not an agenda. It’s a narrative

{11:58:22 pm:} *laughs*

{11:58:40 pm:} <lakitu> I love to make it basic:

{11:58:51 pm:} <muadnem> The news can play it up however they want

{11:59:09 pm:} <muadnem> What you’re presented with is a narrative

{11:59:31 pm:} <lakitu> a to-do list –

{11:59:37 pm:} <muadnem> Coming mostly from the people in power.

{12:00:04 am:} <lakitu> for my software, with some added pieces of information:

{12:00:24 am:} <lakitu> priority level is one.

{12:00:36 am:} <muadnem> You either have anecdotes from the people on the ground or narratives from the media

{12:00:59 am:} <lakitu> deadline date is another.

{12:01:33 am:} <lakitu> a to-do list with priority levels & deadline dates –

{12:01:56 am:} <`411> ? PhilPapers.org (Selections): ❝Hinne Hettema (1995): Bohr’s Theory of the Atom 1913–1923: A Case Study in the Progress of Scientific Research Programme…❞ ⋅ — Delivered by Feed43 service ⋅ https://philarchive.org/rec/HETBTO-3 ⋅

{12:02:17 am:} <muadnem> That would be nice.

{12:03:14 am:} <lakitu> i have other fields i am adding to this, in the sense of text field – but i like to really rough up such important things with playtesting before i’m sending them out into the world, here.

{12:03:23 am:} <muadnem> That’d be a reasonable way for management to work

{12:03:31 am:} <lakitu> testdriving

{12:03:39 am:} <lakitu> i meant to say –

{12:03:41 am:} <muadnem> But afaik it rarely works that way

{12:05:48 am:} <lakitu> What is a priority level? for me, it is __need as importance * urgency__

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{12:07:02 am:} <lakitu> techincally in my philosophy it would be need/requirement/want – i believe calls this desire

{12:07:13 am:} <lakitu> * technically in my philosophy it would be need/requirement/want – i believe goshzilla calls this desire

{12:07:41 am:} <lakitu> the three.

{12:07:43 am:} <muadnem> In my experience, no one wants to establish the priority level. You can ask your manager all you want.

{12:08:03 am:} <muadnem> And they’ll tell you some weasel words

{12:08:31 am:} <muadnem> So they aren’t responsible. It was all a misunderstanding.

{12:08:57 am:} <lakitu> so for our to-do list – our agenda – we are talking about *priority* as _importance * urgency_ – “importance times urgency”

{12:09:57 am:} <muadnem> Yeah that sounds like a PowerPoint my manager would have to go on a 2 week vacation to see

{12:10:04 am:} <lakitu> climbing mt. everest may be very important to you – a lifelong gung-ho demonstration of your prowess as a virile man –

{12:10:08 am:} <lakitu> but the urgency may be low

{12:10:43 am:} <lakitu> Mt. Everest*

{12:10:48 am:} <lakitu> “in an hour i’ll go climb Mt. Everest…” –

{12:11:09 am:} <lakitu> “…no, that can’t be right…. ahem. *returns to his agenda & schedule*”

{12:11:17 am:} <muadnem> It’s not mt Everest, unless my Everest is making your own decisions

{12:11:33 am:} <muadnem> And company structure doesn’t work like that

{12:11:37 am:} <lakitu> * “…no, that can’t be right… ahem. *returns to his agenda & schedule*”

{12:12:03 am:} <lakitu> typo…

{12:12:22 am:} <muadnem> Company structure is knowing how to throw others under a bus at the right time

{12:12:52 am:} <muadnem> And not ever make any decision

{12:13:29 am:} <lakitu> –hold on– let me write this down muadnem…

{12:13:32 am:} <muadnem> Or having no accountability for your bad decisions

{12:13:38 am:} <lakitu> “Company structure…”

{12:13:45 am:} <lakitu> i need a new pen.

{12:15:01 am:} <lakitu> – after priority level as **importance times urgency**, i would note that for priority levels, i personally bettered the usual ‘ranking’ system: ‘this is 1st, that is 2nd, (…) that is last…’, with a “level” system as i say – this is 10,000, that is 300, another is 2.

{12:15:10 am:} <lakitu> higher is higher priority

{12:15:19 am:} <muadnem> Its more emotional than whatever diagram

{12:15:41 am:} <lakitu> so if you got about the hugest idea you’ve had yet,

{12:15:50 am:} <muadnem> You can draw it all out, but one asshole is all it takes.

{12:16:01 am:} <lakitu> jam on that “0” key or whatever – 9000000000000000 heh heh heh

{12:16:28 am:} <lakitu> the hugest plan to do.

{12:16:38 am:} <lakitu> the hugest thing to do.

{12:17:39 am:} <muadnem> You could probably make a living selling PowerPoints to mangers

{12:18:23 am:} <muadnem> Importance * urgency sounds really good

{12:18:32 am:} <lakitu> so importance * urgency,

{12:18:41 am:} <muadnem> Even though they are synonyms

{12:18:45 am:} <lakitu> & also the unlimited levels of priority

{12:18:58 am:} <lakitu> are two items so far

{12:19:02 am:} <lakitu> for anyone keeping aware

{12:19:17 am:} <lakitu> 10,000 as a priority level, etc

{12:19:38 am:} <muadnem> That’s a very high number afaik

{12:19:55 am:} <lakitu> – for anyone keeping track

{12:20:11 am:} <muadnem> You need flow charts too

{12:20:23 am:} <lakitu> deadline dates, the next item i mentioned,

{12:20:26 am:} <muadnem> Little cloud bubbles and stuff

{12:20:44 am:} <muadnem> Little lightning bolts going into the deadline

{12:21:01 am:} <lakitu> are important too – i would love for someone to best me with something better, but in this impromptu discussion, it is my next item

{12:21:50 am:} <muadnem> You need a flowchart with a bidirectional arrow

{12:21:58 am:} <muadnem> ‘stuff happens’

{12:22:10 am:} <muadnem> Profit

{12:22:58 am:} <lakitu> i have fully coded my agenda software to remind me of upcoming deadlines, with forewarning windows & frequency of reminders customized per deadline

{12:23:03 am:} <lakitu> or customizable

{12:23:13 am:} <lakitu> there are fallbacks for if you don’t specificy

{12:23:16 am:} <lakitu> specify

{12:23:30 am:} <lakitu> which is the usual case for me – for other situations it may be different

{12:24:04 am:} <lakitu> the point is, you could write on a wall calendar or desk calendar your deadlines quite well too

{12:25:11 am:} <muadnem> So, managers and deadlines

{12:25:26 am:} <muadnem> I’ve rarely had a manager even try to give me one

{12:25:50 am:} <muadnem> They don’t know enough about the problem to even suggest how long it will take

{12:26:15 am:} <muadnem> I just tell them when I think I can get it done

{12:26:37 am:} <muadnem> Factoring in how much they’ll change the problem during my work

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{12:27:57 am:} <muadnem> They just ask me how long ‘it’ will take

{12:29:13 am:} <muadnem> But they’ll probably change what they want halfway through

{12:29:36 am:} <lakitu> a svelte number of people do this – CEOs come to mind, politicians, & people who are serious about living their best life

{12:30:31 am:} <lakitu> for our purposes – i will include philosophers of life / life philosophers, perhaps ‘ethicists/moralists’ among them

{12:30:48 am:} <muadnem> People trying to love their best life are bound to be disappointed

{12:32:13 am:} <lakitu> perhaps businesses / CEOs got it in part from their hired philosophers, their hired ethicists. that would maybe be of the least surprising to me

{12:32:37 am:} <lakitu> for say a CEO to learn this from a philosopher of life

{12:32:54 am:} <lakitu> i’m not trying to pit them against each other, just a passing mention, here

{12:34:09 am:} <lakitu> (for a gratis example, John C. Maxwell, the ‘philosopher of life’ as i call him.)

{12:35:32 am:} <lakitu> from him plenty of this has come to CEOs, there are those of us who would say, & from people like John C. Maxwell.

{12:36:01 am:} <lakitu> et al

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{12:43:37 am:} <lakitu> so agendas: ‘to-do lists’… things you want to, require, are required, need to do, with priority \ urgency * importance levels– optionally per item, & with deadline dates of course– optionally per item.

{12:44:08 am:} <muadnem> So I worked on some of the algorithms that zoom used to extract you from the background

{12:44:26 am:} <lakitu> that is the last part’s summary, as it appears to me

{12:45:00 am:} <muadnem> But it wasn’t that ai back then

{12:45:15 am:} <muadnem> But it was more purely algorithmic

{12:45:52 am:} <muadnem> I had to detect outdoor motion on cameras

{12:46:13 am:} <muadnem> But I had to separate that from things like lightning

{12:47:16 am:} <muadnem> So if you’re looking at total difference between pixels that really screws that up

{12:47:25 am:} <lakitu> & how “starting is half the battle” – you must use reminders, associations, etc to kickstart the habit of tending to your agenda

{12:47:56 am:} <muadnem> You have to find paths and weed out the noise

{12:49:16 am:} <lakitu> – also i do this, do you guys? capture it when the spark strikes – strike while the iron is hot – write it down right away, when you first think of something – this has worked better for me for almost every application than trying to collect to-do items or ideas of all sorts on computer or paper

{12:49:36 am:} <lakitu> err

{12:49:47 am:} <lakitu> well

{12:49:56 am:} <lakitu> at one time

{12:50:04 am:} <muadnem> No. Nothing I think is important

{12:50:10 am:} <lakitu> keep a memo pad

{12:50:15 am:} <lakitu> use what you like

{12:50:22 am:} <lakitu> but capture it when it first strikes

{12:51:01 am:} <muadnem> I’m not cutting edge anymore

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{12:51:50 am:} <muadnem> That’s gone. If you don’t understand ai you’re fucked

{12:52:07 am:} <muadnem> And I failed linear algebra

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{12:52:37 am:} <lakitu> don’t try to memorize a poem enjoying some scenic Nature for when you write at home 3 hours later. expect to forget & maybe have problems by misremembering – capture that first spark then & there, where you can

{12:52:51 am:} <lakitu> buy a pocket memo pad – many of you have i’m sure

{12:52:57 am:} <mazy^grace> can’t sleep

{12:52:58 am:} <lakitu> or use whatever works better for you

{12:52:59 am:} <mazy^grace> :(

{12:53:01 am:} <lakitu> wb mazy

{12:53:21 am:} <Fixion> by linear algebra do you mean mostly straight line functions?

{12:53:29 am:} <muadnem> No.

{12:53:31 am:} <Fixion> (as opposed to stuff like polynomials?)

{12:53:42 am:} <muadnem> I mean eigenvectors and shit

{12:53:57 am:} <muadnem> Matrix algebra

{12:54:30 am:} <mazy^grace> tanks lakitu

{12:54:33 am:} <Fixion> I never really did vectors in math or science … would have been good to know

{12:55:24 am:} <muadnem> It’s like a way to decompose calculus

{12:55:34 am:} <muadnem> Which I also sucked at

{12:55:35 am:} <lakitu> i have whoever on /ignore. for some reason IRC logs don’t record this

{12:55:57 am:} <mazy^grace> don’t ask me

{12:55:59 am:} <mazy^grace> :)

{12:56:04 am:} <lakitu> heh

{12:56:10 am:} <mazy^grace> who is whoever?

{12:57:00 am:} <mazy^grace> i don’t do all that stuff anymore lakitu

{12:57:00 am:} <lakitu> – some misguided design

{12:57:09 am:} <lakitu> aw.

{12:57:14 am:} <lakitu> hopefully can soon

{12:57:14 am:} <mazy^grace> it drove me crazy logging/ etc

{12:57:20 am:} <lakitu> oh – logging

{12:57:21 am:} <lakitu> i see

{12:57:26 am:} <mazy^grace> I don’t care

{12:57:31 am:} <mazy^grace> to be honest

{12:57:32 am:} <muadnem> You and mazy can create a new philosophy

{12:57:36 am:} <lakitu> no i see – IRC logging

{12:57:41 am:} <muadnem> It’ll be brilliant

{12:57:50 am:} <lakitu> i was talking about recordkeeping…

{12:57:59 am:} <lakitu> in a different application…

{12:58:06 am:} <lakitu> before that

{12:58:20 am:} <mazy^grace> I used to record everybodies ISP

{12:58:25 am:} <mazy^grace> etc etc

{12:58:27 am:} <lakitu> heh

{12:58:38 am:} <mazy^grace> it’s just not worth it

{12:58:54 am:} <mazy^grace> so I don’t record anything anymore

{12:59:01 am:} <mazy^grace> my life is much happier

{12:59:11 am:} <lakitu> (they don’t record who i /ignore, meaning.)

{12:59:22 am:} <lakitu> hmm

{12:59:37 am:} <muadnem> I can remember what you sound like.

{12:59:37 am:} <mazy^grace> I found that even when I logged……. other people would ‘edit’ the log

{12:59:53 am:} <muadnem> Without recording anything

{12:59:55 am:} <mazy^grace> and try to make it say something it didn’t really say

{01:00:42 am:} <lakitu> geez, really? i have heard of such things, but . . .

{01:00:53 am:} <muadnem> I’m sure you have a record of that

{01:01:03 am:} <mazy^grace> yes…… it happened many times

{01:01:24 am:} <mazy^grace> so I don’t give a rat’s arse about any of it anymore

{01:01:45 am:} <muadnem> You never gave a rats ass to begin with

{01:01:56 am:} <mazy^grace> well.. true that

{01:01:58 am:} <mazy^grace> :)

{01:02:20 am:} <Fixion> mazy^grace many people have dynamic IP’s anyway

{01:02:22 am:} <lakitu> hm. maybe you can create multiple records / compare with others who kept the same records, to keep an accurate history

{01:02:36 am:} <mazy^grace> Fixion, I get that

{01:02:37 am:} <muadnem> Fixion stole my ip

{01:02:52 am:} <mazy^grace> but that’s not the point

{01:02:58 am:} * Fixion leases it back to muadnem

{01:03:30 am:} <mazy^grace> the point is…… everybody can be found if somebody wants to hunt them down

{01:04:34 am:} <mazy^grace> there are many tools out there…. to find out who somebody is

{01:06:30 am:} <mazy^grace> sometimes you have to spend some money

{01:06:38 am:} <mazy^grace> but if you really want to know

{01:06:45 am:} <mazy^grace> you spend the bucks

{01:07:02 am:} <muadnem> I’ll tell you who I am. You just have to tell me I’m cute

{01:07:10 am:} <muadnem> I’ll drive to your house

{01:07:22 am:} <mazy^grace> tell me muadnem

{01:07:40 am:} <mazy^grace> not going to promise I’ll tell you you are cute

{01:08:00 am:} * mazy^grace speaks truth

{01:08:23 am:} <mazy^grace> so…. who are you muadnem

{01:09:07 am:} <mazy^grace> are you gonna share your pic with me?

{01:09:27 am:} <muadnem> I’ve already done that

{01:09:36 am:} <mazy^grace> no you haven’t

{01:10:06 am:} <mazy^grace> send your pic

{01:10:55 am:} <muadnem> “It’s the complacent society that killed him” / “The best outcome would be for rioters to tear it all down” / https://imgur.com/lwJY0gc

{01:10:57 am:} <JohnStar> Title: “It’s the complacent society that killed him” / “The best outcome would be for rioters to tear it all down” / – Imgur

{01:11:04 am:} <muadnem> That’s my best angle

{01:11:42 am:} <mazy^grace> send it to my email

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{01:12:05 am:} <muadnem> I already sent it. It’s right there

{01:12:28 am:} <mazy^grace> let me check

{01:12:58 am:} <muadnem> Jesus. I just posted it in the chat.

{01:13:24 am:} <mazy^grace> ya…… you didn’t email it to me

{01:13:25 am:} <mazy^grace> lol

{01:14:23 am:} <muadnem> https://imgur.com/lwJY0gc

{01:14:23 am:} <JohnStar> Title: “It’s the complacent society that killed him” / “The best outcome would be for rioters to tear it all down” / – Imgur

{01:14:24 am:} <mazy^grace> I have no idea what you are talking about

{01:14:30 am:} <mazy^grace> you did not email me

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{01:14:36 am:} <muadnem> That’s because you’re an idiot

{01:14:42 am:} <muadnem> Go talk to ragtime

{01:15:06 am:} <muadnem> He obviously has way more patience than I do

{01:15:38 am:} <muadnem> Since you’re both racist fuckwit idiot fucks

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{01:16:07 am:} <mazy^grace> muadnem???? you look like a total meth head

{01:16:17 am:} <mazy^grace> in that picture

{01:16:28 am:} <muadnem> That’s unbelievable

{01:17:30 am:} <mazy^grace> is that a real picture of you?

{01:17:40 am:} <muadnem> Yup

{01:18:36 am:} <mazy^grace> well…. you should get some sleep

{01:18:38 am:} <mazy^grace> :)

{01:19:21 am:} <mazy^grace> your eyes are almost closed already

{01:19:22 am:} <mazy^grace> :)

{01:19:45 am:} <lakitu> a pool of gears fell out of his pocket, mazy. this has to do with the woodgrain of his closet doors, but no more can be known or said at this time

{01:19:56 am:} <lakitu> (this all per muadnem)

{01:19:57 am:} <lakitu> (mazy)

{01:20:01 am:} <lakitu> (this is all per muadnem)

{01:20:14 am:} <muadnem> I said nothing about a pocket.

{01:20:23 am:} <lakitu> his contributions tonight.

{01:20:43 am:} <muadnem> I can’t tell you anymore about that.

{01:21:12 am:} <muadnem> Except it was hotter than titties

{01:21:19 am:} <mazy^grace> muadnem……. you remind me of my son

{01:21:20 am:} <lakitu> he feels drugs/drinking would help this.

{01:22:04 am:} <muadnem> Why would I want to help it?

{01:23:36 am:} <muadnem> I understand the problem of drugs. I don’t do drugs anymore

{01:23:55 am:} <muadnem> But that wasn’t the context of the statement.

{01:25:01 am:} <muadnem> And I wouldn’t want to forget it. I wouldnt trade that experience

{01:25:12 am:} <mazy^grace> muadnem….you don’t do drugs?

{01:25:34 am:} <mazy^grace> that pic clearly shows you are high/smoked up/ something

{01:25:41 am:} <muadnem> Not anymore. I do drink. Or I wouldn’t be babbling to you people

{01:25:51 am:} <mazy^grace> muadnem

{01:26:06 am:} <mazy^grace> in that pic…. you are clearly stoned

{01:26:30 am:} <muadnem> That pic was like 3 weeks ago. I was just drunk

{01:26:43 am:} <mazy^grace> omg.. 3 weeks ago

{01:26:45 am:} <mazy^grace> lol

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{01:27:21 am:} <mazy^grace> you are so full of crap muadnem

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{01:27:36 am:} <muadnem> Thats completely honest.

{01:28:01 am:} <muadnem> Alcohol is a drugs. If you want to say I’m on drugs, fine

{01:28:02 am:} <mazy^grace> I know

{01:28:22 am:} <mazy^grace> dude……. I’m going to bed

{01:28:24 am:} <mazy^grace> niters

{01:28:34 am:} <muadnem> I don’t care. That’s completely irrelevant to anything I’ve said

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{01:30:08 am:} <muadnem> I’m still up.

{01:30:20 am:} <muadnem> Who’s sleepy. Not me

{01:31:14 am:} * lakitu was just starting to type, “philosophy overnights… with your host . . . –the philosophy overnights host…” heh heh heh

{01:31:17 am:} <ZShurp> I just woke up, can’t get back to sleep :(

{01:31:21 am:} <lakitu> wb ZShurp

{01:32:50 am:} <lakitu> Muadnem, your nick reminds me of “Wuhan”.



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{02:45:49 am:} <lakitu> …the reminders software is like an external organ – a part of a cybernetic ‘brain’, figuratively – that *helps you with being constant in your Love & care, etc*

{02:46:05 am:} <lakitu> Love & Care.*



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{03:12:51 am:} <lakitu> –i will say to plan these things into the future **is** a lot like planting crops; the first agrarian had a wry & wide smile, i’m sure, as he said “Actually I do know what will of food grow here… I know because I *planned them*.” & his contemporaries were numb to this. *laughter*

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((I have discussed this same thing several times before in the room.))

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In the above chat transcript, 5 typos were normalized, & 1 meant wording was emended in.

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Update April the 11^th, 2021: A new live chat record has been posted on this same topic, & indulges the concept first named in this post, “the music of life”, & extends it with e.g. “personal agenda chords“: Philosophy Of Life: Philosophy-Of-Life Software: (“It’s Beauty O’Clock” Site Post Follow-Up:) The Music Of Life & Personal Agenda Chords.

This is a metaphilosophy dialogue I led in Undernet #philosophical in January (January_23rd) 2023. It does a lot with a little & many people might appreciate the content – especially since I work to keep it approachable – using real life examples for example. This is very heady to figure & i might add on for example later. For now here is the main course!:

In this I am `lakitu`:

Here’s a public birth of an immersive-testing school concept that had been developing in me for quite a number of years – the first part is more social ambience where the 2nd & 3rd parts get into the real childbirthing:

Without further ado: this is me, Joe Valentyn – “<lakitu>” – in a philosophy forum working thru my idea for edification, not education, thru “immersive testing” in schools:

{12:57:25 pm} <lauraaah> I’m so fed up with covid

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{13:34:11 pm} <fattratt_> Ok, we can talk about Murphy’s law and Betteridge’s law in the abstract.

{13:35:35 pm} <fattratt_> Betteridge’s law: “Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.”

{13:36:14 pm} <fattratt_> Murphy’s law: “Anything that can go wrong will go wrong”

{13:39:34 pm} <fattratt_> I’m not fed up with covid. Indeed I am still rather covid-obsessed.

{13:46:09 pm} <lakitu> hey lauraaah. recognize you from the other week ☺ welcome.

{13:46:15 pm} <lakitu> hey fattratt

{13:46:24 pm} * lakitu just has a little time to chat

{13:48:19 pm} <lakitu> (mm, new-coffeemaker coffee.)

{13:49:13 pm} <lauraaah> Hi :)

{13:50:17 pm} <lakitu> =D

{13:50:33 pm} <lakitu> great to have a new chatter around here (who isn’t a troll!)

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{13:50:53 pm} <fattratt_> I like to discuss covid while eating kale salad.

{13:51:07 pm} <lakitu> so, welcome.

{13:51:33 pm} <lakitu> (aw yeah! my coffeemaker counts as a espressomaker. ex coffeehouse patron/worker here)

{13:51:58 pm} <lakitu> (acquired the taste for espresso, & the ‘like. =D)

{13:52:48 pm} <lauraaah> I don’t like coffee

{13:52:50 pm} <lauraaah> Or tea

{13:53:01 pm} <lakitu> really?

{13:53:10 pm} <lakitu> are you straight-edge?!

{13:53:17 pm} <lakitu> – or is that too personal?

{13:53:28 pm} <lakitu> maybe that’s too personal…

{13:54:51 pm} <lakitu> I was having no psychoactives except for chocolate – but solidarity with people led me to pick up coffee again.

{13:56:07 pm} <lauraaah> I just don’t like the taste

{13:56:11 pm} <lakitu> ah.

{13:56:40 pm} <lakitu> works for me.

{13:56:59 pm} <lakitu> (your not liking their taste.)

{13:57:16 pm} <lauraaah> I like the smell of coffee tho

{13:57:48 pm} <lakitu> for me who does, this Moka pot makes very tasty espresso/coffee.

{13:59:25 pm} <LionClan> I set up a coffee house in Broad Ripple, it was quite an experience

{13:59:44 pm} <lakitu> yeah – you said that. Turtle something?

{14:00:47 pm} <LionClan> Turtle Island from a book of poems by Gary Snyder

{14:02:14 pm} <LionClan> Across the street from Karma Records, best record shop from the age of vinyl.

{14:02:16 pm} <lakitu> I remembered the name.

{14:02:44 pm} <ControlFreq> Hello Friends!

{14:02:56 pm} <LionClan> CF

{14:02:59 pm} <lakitu> hey Freq

{14:03:01 pm} <ControlFreq> Hello LionClan!

{14:03:05 pm} <ControlFreq> Hello lakitu!

{14:03:09 pm} <lakitu> a popular record store around here just closed.

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{14:04:26 pm} <lakitu> a few of my friends work at record stores. they tell me e.g. Record Store Day is coming up – in a week I think

{14:04:34 pm} <lakitu> a little less

{14:04:38 pm} <lakitu> I think it’s the 12th.

{14:04:49 pm} <LionClan> When we were running Radio Free Naptown, Karma would send us a crate of Records every week, if we’d just tell them what we like

{14:05:17 pm} <lakitu> in/near Indianapolis– right?

{14:06:10 pm} <LionClan> Are commune included several electrical engineers, more brains than your average underground radio

{14:06:47 pm} <LionClan> do you remember Nixon

{14:07:44 pm} <LionClan> When he was around anti-war messages were banned from the radio, and the FBI track down anti-war and anti-draft protesters

{14:08:59 pm} <LionClan> The same Authority they used to do that, is still being used to infiltrate protests.

{14:09:18 pm} <LionClan> So I’m not sure anything is changed

{14:10:45 pm} <LionClan> In radio, the talent and the salesmen go to completely different parties.

{14:11:00 pm} <LionClan> We’re not the same species, or some such

{14:11:34 pm} <lakitu> I’m more interested in well-roundedness, than just bRAINz these days. ‘like I was saying about schools not evaluating you for people skills, & creativity, vs. math/reading/etc.

{14:12:58 pm} <lakitu> I’m abstaining from politics LionClan. you’re free to discuss your political ideas obviously, but I’m just not party.

{14:13:41 pm} <LionClan> You asked, if you want shorter stories just say so

{14:14:01 pm} <lakitu> ha

{14:14:47 pm} <lakitu> I asked if “Radio Free Naptown” was in/near Indianapolis.

{14:15:17 pm} <LionClan> Where is Radio free naptown was a popular question for a while

{14:15:41 pm} <LionClan> Is very hard to tell, like impossible, because we are clever

{14:16:04 pm} <LionClan> Their best estimate, was in a tall building downtown

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{14:16:55 pm} <LionClan> We weren’t broadcasting FM, we were broadcasting shortwave.

{14:17:33 pm} <LionClan> The repeater picked up the short wave and rebroadcast it FM. From a tall building downtown.

{14:19:00 pm} <LionClan> Our intent was broadcasting to the Northern third of the townships in Indianapolis, and the many wealthy people north of there

{14:21:04 pm} <lakitu> & you were a DJ on this, you’ve told us.

{14:21:21 pm} <LionClan> We sampled coffee beans from all over the world, concluded everyone had tropical Mountain grown Arabica on their top five list

{14:21:48 pm} <LionClan> There were several DJs, some of them are still working as DJs

{14:23:23 pm} <LionClan> We had a similar sampler of hashes from all over the world, and each of them has their charms.

{14:23:28 pm} <lakitu> IRC– Undernet– is a little similar to a pirate radio station

{14:23:46 pm} <lakitu> altho it’s legal

{14:23:51 pm} <lakitu> IRC – Undernet.

{14:24:04 pm} <lakitu> but public communications.

{14:24:21 pm} <lakitu> of course this is DJing of the fittest

{14:25:01 pm} <lakitu> orate well & people will (hopefully) tune in.

{14:25:33 pm} <lakitu> except that IRC has been decimated, not least after what happened to the last major network.

{14:26:18 pm} <lauraaah> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/E5CImyxK/bitmoji-20180504091451.png

{14:26:38 pm} <lakitu> ok…

{14:27:42 pm} <LionClan> The Ku Klux Klan took power in American politics in the 1920s and held on to it for 40 years

{14:27:52 pm} <lakitu> nice having you here.

{14:28:52 pm} <lauraaah> Slightly early for bed. I want some chicken chicken mein first

{14:31:44 pm} <lakitu> me, I’m putting down my first espresso shots & going to try to choreograph a whole day, here.

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{14:32:47 pm} <lakitu> but not literally choreograph =D since we just met I’ll make it clear haha

{14:33:06 pm} <LionClan> Rancilio, the Italian cappuccino maker made espresso so fast it was already brewed before the oils got moving

{14:33:32 pm} <guerro> hi LionClan

{14:34:10 pm} <LionClan> No oils meant no acid, so we drink it chilled by the quart

{14:34:21 pm} <LionClan> hi g

{14:35:28 pm} <lakitu> I hung out with some coffee enthusiasts – coffeeshop owners, burr grinder designers, on #freenode, & they recommended a Gaggia brand machine for home espresso, if you’re serious enough about it

{14:36:49 pm} <lakitu> burr-grinder designers.

{14:36:56 pm} <lakitu> (*)

{14:39:07 pm} <lakitu> they said the grinder was more important, surprisingly.

{14:39:17 pm} <lakitu> getting at least a burr grinder…

{14:39:36 pm} <lakitu> freenode*

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{14:43:24 pm} <LionClan> It should be finely ground yes

{14:45:31 pm} <lakitu> but for example, you could write symphonies in school, & still get all F’s. or be the people’s choice for most personable dudette in your school, & not have your report card needle even move at all

{14:45:49 pm} <lakitu> for scoring, overall

{14:47:08 pm} <lakitu> you could defend against bullies for special needs kids, the disadvantaged – you might even be WORSE OFF report-card -wise.

{14:48:36 pm} * lakitu was going to school to be a teacher, but dropped out of college for it…

{14:50:20 pm} <lakitu> might be a Love genius, they could give you straight C’s. that’s four examples

{14:54:16 pm} <lakitu> & on that – say you had a “goodness” / being ethical / being moral / etc score: Conscientiousness’s spiritual battle is more like physical education in that you have to actually perform these pull-ups, push-ups, etc – you can’t just tick a box that says “I know to do 10.”

{14:55:28 pm} <lakitu> you have to perform at being good rather than just in a made up example be able to navigate to the right answer. it takes courage to resist bad influence, etc….

{14:59:18 pm} <lakitu> like the differencce between ticking a box that says “Write beautiful music.” & writing beautiful music. it takes more than just knowing to do it. actually doing it requires gifts & techniques beyond average ability levels.

{14:59:29 pm} <lakitu> beyond the average level of abilities.

{14:59:58 pm} <lakitu> ‘like the difference.*

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{15:05:54 pm} <lakitu> this is a little b****y of me to recommend, but imagine a school that had drills, except you didn’t know they were drills: e.g. someone has broke in; war has broke out; there was a chemical spill nearby – etc – again, pushing beyond the boundaries here, but: imagine that even teachers weren’t told yet whether it was real or not, & they had a emerge

{15:05:54 pm} <lakitu> ncy discussion with their class – the brave would be separated from the unbrave, the just from the unjust, etc –

{15:06:42 pm} <lakitu> & that could tell us– we’d tell them we were testing them afterward– who is really made of mettle.

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{15:16:52 pm} <LionClan> When I was growing up they had nuclear attack drills

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{15:17:09 pm} <lakitu> right – but did you know it was a drill, LionClan?

{15:18:01 pm} <LionClan> Incentive courses to put the idea into your head, you imagined nuclear war whether you thought this was it or not

{15:18:12 pm} <lakitu> ok, so they told you it was real.

{15:18:33 pm} <lakitu> ‘We’re having a fire drill today, I think at 2:45.’

{15:18:41 pm} <LionClan> Well you know very well they were telling us the threat was real

{15:18:42 pm} <lakitu> those are standard now.

{15:18:46 pm} <lakitu> haha

{15:18:58 pm} <lakitu> – haha

{15:19:26 pm} <LionClan> The modern version of that is the box cutter Arabs are going to get you, we’re supposed to believe that’s a threat

{15:20:16 pm} <ControlFreq> The biggest threat to the national security of the United States flies under the Confederate battle flag.

{15:21:05 pm} <LionClan> 1925 the Ku Klux Klan March from the capitol to the White House with hundreds of Confederate battle Flags

{15:21:29 pm} <lakitu> I’m talking about drills where you don’t reveal they’re real or not – a test, a…

{15:22:13 pm} <lakitu> an immersive test.

{15:22:23 pm} <lakitu> an immersion.

{15:22:32 pm} <lakitu> or immersive test.

{15:22:33 pm} <LionClan> The Confederate Battle Flag is a symbol of the Ku Klux Klan oh, not a symbol of the Confederacy

{15:23:18 pm} <LionClan> In the Confederacy the Battle Flag was used as a shroud for Fallen Soldiers

{15:24:21 pm} <ControlFreq> I do not see it as a racist symbol. I see it as a symbol of traitorous, treasonous bastards who rose up in arms against the lawful government of the United States. I took an oath to protect that government, and I do not like those who embrace its symbol.

{15:24:28 pm} <LionClan> If you’re wavering one of those around you’re supporting the Klan, which are murderous conspirators

{15:25:44 pm} <ControlFreq> When did the state legislatures in the South start flying the Confederate battle flag from thier state capitols?

{15:27:25 pm} * lakitu is resting his political loins; you do what you should.

{15:27:32 pm} <lakitu> –politically.

{15:27:44 pm} <LionClan> Let’s focus on the history of the Confederate Battle Flag in Washington DC. Confederate States of America never waved a Confederate Battle Flag in Washington DC, the Ku Klux Klan has waved thousands of Confederate battle Flags in Washington DC

{15:28:24 pm} <LionClan> In Washington DC, the Confederate Battle Flag is a symbol of the Ku Klux Klan.

{15:29:02 pm} <ControlFreq> The Confederate battle flag became a symbol of White supremacy on June 2, 1964. About a half dozen state legislatures hoist that from from their capitols the day LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act

{15:29:48 pm} <LionClan> The Ku Klux Klan marched hundreds of Confederate battle Flags down Pennsylvania Avenue from the capitol to the White House in 1925

{15:30:57 pm} <LionClan> You cannot distance the Confederate Battle Flag from racism in Washington DC that’s not possible.

{15:31:38 pm} <lakitu> to continue: gradually students would realize they are already immersed in several live, real-world crises that are just farther away, slow-drip leaked thru the media, or otherwise outside of their field of experience, that they could take up the causes of & try to battle in the name of.

{15:32:02 pm} <ControlFreq> I assign both values of the one symbol to anyone who embraces it. Treason and racism

{15:32:20 pm} <LionClan> Yes

{15:32:31 pm} <lakitu> yes to who LionClan?

{15:33:17 pm} <LionClan> That’s meta

{15:33:31 pm} <lakitu> ha

{15:33:40 pm} <lakitu> I take it you’re repsonding to Freq

{15:34:19 pm} <lakitu> – e.g. human trafficking

{15:36:21 pm} <ControlFreq> I think human trafficking is to broad a brush. There needs to be daylight between people who spend their life savings and beg to be smuggled somewhere and people who are kidnapped and transported for labor or sexual slavery.

{15:36:43 pm} <lakitu> sex slavery.

{15:36:49 pm} <lakitu> e.g..

{15:37:24 pm} <lakitu> is what I was going to continue with.

{15:37:32 pm} <ControlFreq> Please do

{15:37:40 pm} <lakitu> ((thanks.))

{15:45:13 pm} <lakitu> there are abducted women, teen girls, around, even in your state, who must have brave, just men & women taking up arms & technologies to free them – risking ourselves for investigations, for searches, even in firefights – to free them from their living nightmare they can’t escape, alone, or haven’t been able to yet – yet we’re shrouded from this re

{15:45:13 pm} <lakitu> ality; this immersive testing would be like smelling salts to awaken us to the fact that our tranquil peace can be upended by emergency – & there are people at most any given time suffering from one such emergency or another.

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{15:45:51 pm} <lakitu> people who could use our help, directly or indirectly.

{15:46:09 pm} <lakitu> but in a very real, not-just-text-in-a-Twitter.com-post way.

{15:46:41 pm} <lakitu> “BIO 302’s been shot!” that is not something you easily forget

{15:46:57 pm} <lakitu> depending on where you take the potential scenarios there.

{15:53:55 pm} <lakitu> as a limiting threshold, there is only so vigilant we ought to be in this Life; but I think it would be good to have a public dialogue on how vigilant we should be re the problems the world collectively – as communities – as groups, as families – as individuals – wrangle with at any one time. it is important to hear from people who have suffered, w

{15:53:55 pm} <lakitu> ho are suffering, to have a full circumspect perspective, for this.

{15:57:31 pm} <ControlFreq> lakitu…the solution is not for the hoi polloi to arm themselves and lead a rescue. The solution is to coordinate with law enforcement and find out what we can do to make a difference.

{15:58:02 pm} <ControlFreq> The idea of vigilante justice grants that same authority to anyone else who believes they have a righteous cause. C.f. January 6

{15:58:10 pm} <lakitu> well that’s what I was expressing above – to join forcces to– no

{15:58:27 pm} <lakitu> I was not advocating that. I was saying to work e.g. with law enforcement,

{15:58:37 pm} <lakitu> to rescue sex slaves.

{15:58:53 pm} <lakitu> to rescue these people.

{15:59:06 pm} <lakitu> applying for a job, etc.

{15:59:22 pm} <ControlFreq> Please distinguish this statement from advocacy of vigilante justice:

{15:59:25 pm} <ControlFreq> brave, just men & women taking up arms & technologies to free them

{15:59:36 pm} <lakitu> there was a context to that

{15:59:42 pm} <lakitu> a very large context

{16:00:03 pm} <lakitu> that’s a sentence fragment

{16:00:57 pm} <ControlFreq> It’s inflamatory

{16:01:24 pm} <lakitu> you actually are countering the countering of this, now – I was thinking of the Federal Bureau of Investigations as I wrote that

{16:01:33 pm} <lakitu> the Central Intelligence Agency

{16:01:49 pm} <ControlFreq> CIA cannot engage in domestic law enforcement

{16:01:51 pm} <lakitu> & you are now calling joining the F.B.I. to rescue e.g. sex slaves “inflammatory”

{16:01:57 pm} <lakitu> I didn’t say domestic

{16:02:16 pm} <lakitu> I am not snared in that technicality

{16:02:37 pm} <lakitu> Interpol.

{16:02:57 pm} <ControlFreq> lakitu…you frequently fall into the trap of using words that codify a clear, well-formed thought, but the words you choose convey a totally different inference in the listner’s mind.

{16:03:37 pm} <lakitu> I guess you have complaints about the above, first?

{16:04:27 pm} <ControlFreq> If you trying to recruit law enforcement, that’s great. I am a skilled critical reader and that was not in the same ZIP code as the impression I formed in my mind.

{16:04:49 pm} <lakitu> mm. how’d you score in your reading skills in school?

{16:06:08 pm} <ControlFreq> I did not attend kindergarten. In the first weeks of first grade, I was evaluated as a third grade reader. Both my parents were teachers (Mom, elementary; Dad, jr high and high school.) My Dad was trained by Jesuits.

{16:06:17 pm} <lakitu> for anyone else who thought I’m taking special measures in schools to sensitize kids to e.g. human trafficking, to put them into a pipeline to primitive vigilantism / vigalante justice,

{16:07:14 pm} <lakitu> ok. in elementary school I was appraised as being a 14th-grade level reader / overall comprehension student

{16:08:31 pm} <lakitu> — I of course would be thinking of our best methods to rescue abducted teenage girls, especially when I’m talking about educational formalization of this kind of training.

{16:08:44 pm} <lakitu> especially when I’m talking about educational formalization like this.

{16:08:48 pm} <lakitu> (‘like this.)

{16:09:30 pm} <lakitu> (–I of course.*)

{16:10:00 pm} <lakitu> overall-comprehension.*

{16:10:34 pm} <lakitu> to inspire them to join the F.B.I., et al, ControlFreq.

{16:10:49 pm} <ControlFreq> That is a noble effort.

{16:10:54 pm} <lakitu> I’m sorry if there was a miscommunication otherwise.

{16:11:35 pm} <lakitu> I will also not limit how you can help

{16:12:51 pm} <lakitu> in that miscommunication, we cannot be reactionary & rule out printing up flyers, teaching classes, making websites, or any other helpful approaches that are outside of the F.B.I., say – or that work with, etc.

{16:14:27 pm} <lakitu> II will say here ‘that work with’.

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{16:19:58 pm} <lakitu> but in that statement I was meaning situation rooms of F.B.I. workers tracking down abduction victims’ holding places & making busts, etc

{16:21:04 pm} <lakitu> (the statement that sentence fragment is in.)

{16:21:15 pm} <ControlFreq> You do not want to work “outside the FBI.” You want to work in concert with federal, state and local law enforcement in ALL cases.

{16:21:27 pm} <lakitu> Freq: what am I doing now?

{16:21:43 pm} <lakitu> is the above idea generating bad?

{16:21:50 pm} <lakitu> – I do not think so. many do not, I bet.

{16:22:12 pm} <lakitu> if you teach a class on sex slavery in the world–

{16:22:35 pm} <lakitu> there are too many examples against to require me to give more.

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{16:24:45 pm} <lakitu> maybe you could criticize – in some scenario – the F.B.I. for not doing ENOUGH— again, in some scenario– in your class, conceivably; that is not an impossible combination of conditions.

{16:26:04 pm} <lakitu> it’s not a major point – you thought I– for whatever reason– was talking about something other than F.B.I., et al, arms & technologies, when I explained to you that is who I had in mind as I was writing that.

{16:30:56 pm} <lakitu> that was just a miscommunication between us.

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{16:34:40 pm} <lakitu> you could also do ‘immersive testing’ for slower moving disasters, ‘like say environmental pollution. you could create a pretext to tell them– say, anecdotally mention during a teaching module– that some local company (who’s maybe in on it) is dumping stuff in the river, we’re not sure what it is, but it shouldn’t be a problem. more money to make

{16:34:40 pm} <lakitu> more (textiles or whatever) anyway, right?

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{16:36:05 pm} <lakitu> “it should be fine.”

{16:36:35 pm} <lakitu> wb Sioux.

{16:37:33 pm} <lakitu> to someone who would say this is messing with their minds, it is to edify them, which is an even higher cause than education, I would say.

{16:37:57 pm} <lakitu> which is an even higher cause than to educate them.

{16:38:38 pm} <lakitu> of course, nothing in excess. Solon.

{16:38:58 pm} <LionClan> How many times do you suppose the FBI has been used to do dirty tricks for the president?

{16:39:19 pm} <lakitu> “dirty tricks” – wow.

{16:39:37 pm} <xControlFreq> Hoover used the FBI to wreck Kennedy

{16:39:38 pm} <LionClan> See I know about dirty tricks personally

{16:39:57 pm} <lakitu> Lion – I’m just saying that’s helluva topic.

{16:40:10 pm} <lakitu> that’s a helluva topic.

{16:40:59 pm} <lakitu> the sum subterfuge of the F.B.i. for the Presidential administrations.

{16:41:13 pm} <lakitu> or sum subterfuges.

{16:42:25 pm} <LionClan> The FBI infiltrates protests

{16:42:55 pm} <LionClan> The CIA infiltrates protests as well

{16:43:32 pm} <lakitu> F.B.I., I was writing.

{16:43:42 pm} <SiouxBricket> Apparently, China has infiltrated both the CIA and th FBI, so nobody talks to them anymore

{16:43:57 pm} <LionClan> FBI infiltrates when they want to prosecute protesters, the CIA infiltrates when they want to discredit protesters

{16:45:40 pm} <lakitu> I’m on leave from politics as a genre of culture, SiouxBricket; you are free to discuss it however best tho

{16:46:38 pm} <lakitu> as a field.

{16:47:30 pm} <LionClan> A popular theme Here is not not jokes

{16:48:01 pm} <SiouxBricket> And it seems that both California and Nevada have run out of water.

{16:50:11 pm} <LionClan> If you think the absence of a thing is a sort of thing then that would be a substantial conversation. If you aren’t that deluded you would see clearly that “not politics” is not a topic, and just as clearly that “not physics” is also not a topic, and people that suggest either have made no contribution at all.

{16:51:37 pm} <LionClan> California and Nevada have been mining water, pumping water out of the ground faster than it accumulates.

{16:51:39 pm} <lakitu> …re my thread: you could issue these semi-strength beguilements to them, once you had gotten down the proper training method to train teachers to use on students with: “I’m gonna have to report you.”, to a student saying he’s going to stand up to it, speak up against it – “Don’t make me dock your grades for insubordination.” etc

{16:52:16 pm} <lakitu> to challenge them

{16:52:26 pm} <lakitu> – test them.

{16:53:45 pm} <lakitu> see who’s willing to stick their neck out for someone, some people.

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{17:00:25 pm} <lakitu> SiouxBricket: http://texthost.joevalentyn.org/paste.php?id=38 immersion in real-world but fictional emergencies, disasters, etc, as tests for young men & women in schools’ dialogue

{17:00:27 pm} <zhan> Part of “Immersive-Testing” Formal-School Idea by Joe Valentyn (lakitu) –

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{17:01:04 pm} <lakitu> went on about it for the first time above

{17:01:18 pm} <lakitu> grabbed the scroll, if you want it

{17:12:13 pm} <lakitu> that was from a just a coupla minutes ago.

{17:18:15 pm} <lakitu> …you could even extend this further, to work settings: testing who would have the spiritual marrow to speak up.

{17:19:44 pm} <lakitu> could be used to see who was conscientiousness enough to get a promotion – with the increase in their authority, including their responsibility, accountability, maybe even culpability.

{17:20:25 pm} <lakitu> honeypots. etc.

{17:21:09 pm} <lakitu> –depending on how you felt about ‘sting operations’ that is – but there’s other ways you could do it short of full traps / setups.

{17:27:00 pm} <lakitu> …there is a conversation device used by, say, women, to (try, anyway, to) suss out men’s guilt – they joke about something she suspects the man of being guilty of – if he’s not guilty, it shouldn’t be much of a problem: he can joke back or otherwise aver his innocence, or if he is guilty, it can be a very economical litmus test. I would say *due

{17:27:00 pm} <lakitu> to the complexity of how a man can be smeared, etc*, this is not a certain test, but better women can probably come to terms with the plight or plights of men re where it would screw them up, & come to terms a lot / lots, such that in skilled enough hands, many women do put this joking/baiting test to good use.

{17:28:32 pm} <lakitu> women stay on top of men, in relationships largely, it seems. men have more bruteness, some might say have more bravery too– but this is where I am too close to an misandrist to propose my ideas as a model. I will just say that women stay on top of men, in relationships, it seems most often to me

{17:28:43 pm} <lakitu> (as a man– I say this as a man.)

{17:28:59 pm} <lakitu> men tend to be stupider, more brutish, clumsier

{17:29:15 pm} <lakitu> when it comes to social life, at the very least.

{17:29:16 pm} * ControlFreq hands lakitu a slightly narrower brush

{17:29:38 pm} * lakitu dots the “i” in social life with it.

{17:29:47 pm} * lakitu dots the “i” in “social life” with it.

{17:30:28 pm} <lakitu> when it comes to romance & social life, at the very least.*

{17:31:52 pm} <lakitu> & less conservative.

{17:32:06 pm} <lakitu> (in the philosophical sense of conservative.)

{17:32:20 pm} <lakitu> ((not (necessarily) political.))

{17:36:06 pm} <lakitu> I am too close to a misandrist.*

To be honest, this idea was too fun, & I’d Love to come back to it soon – & I plan to do just that, designing more examples & strategems teachers could use to put students’ big hearts to the test with how “big” they truly are . . .

⸻ Joe Valentyn
Minnesota, U.S.A.
June the 7th, 2021

More on this, from June the 8th (2021):

{11:41:37 am} <lakitu> new dialogue uppp: https://joevalentyn.org/press/2021/06/07/that-was-big-of-you-joe-valentyns-idea-for-student-immersion-in-real-world-emergency-testing-of-mettle-conscientiousness-in-classrooms/

{11:41:41 am} <zhan> “That Was Big Of You!!” ⸻ Joe Valentyn’s Idea For Student Immersion in Real-World Emergency Testing of Mettle & Conscientiousness In Classrooms ⸻ ♡, Joe Valentyn

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{13:39:59 pm} <fattratt_> https://youtu.be/K2SudsbW_2M

{13:39:59 pm} <zhan> Censorship of medical information and intellectual authoritarianism (Pierre Kory & Bret Weinstein) by DarkHorse Podcast Clips [16m36s – 7k views ? 1.3k ? 3 (99.77%) – 1h ago]

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{14:17:56 pm} <lakitu> probably the simplest example of my idea (in the dialogue I linked for you ladies & girls above) is to leave a wallet in the halls, or outside in front of the school, with enough money in it to make it somewhat tempting to keep & not return. even a twenty-dollar bill say in the halls, would work.

{14:24:33 pm} <lakitu> …a really good one would be to arrange some link, or something, where (I’m thinking in high school, or higher) ‘a very popular girl’s sexted picture’ has been acquired, except that it hasn’t–

{14:25:10 pm} <lakitu> & because it’s not with her permission,

{14:25:42 pm} <lakitu> it would be like a honeypot for this immersive mettle, conscientiousness testing I am proposing.

{14:27:36 pm} <lakitu> (mettle & conscientiousness immersion tests.)

{14:29:06 pm} <lakitu> you could reimagine it a few ways. e.g. there was a party, she got drunk, someone took a “hot!!”, violatory picture of her

{14:35:01 pm} <lakitu> (for anyone not familiar with “honeypots” – the espionage term: from Kaspersky.com: “One honeypot definition comes from the world of espionage, where Mata Hari-style spies who use a romantic relationship as a way to steal secrets are described as setting a ‘honey trap’ or ‘honeypot’. Often, an enemy spy is compromised by a honey trap and then forced to hand over everything he/she knows.

{14:35:01 pm} <lakitu> In computer security terms, a cyber honeypot works in a similar way, baiting a trap for hackers. It’s a sacrificial computer system that’s intended to attract cyberattacks, like a decoy. It mimics a target for hackers, and uses their intrusion attempts to gain information about cybercriminals and the way they are operating or to distract them from other targets.”)

{14:36:19 pm} <fattratt_> Old trick.

{14:36:25 pm} <lakitu> old trick.

{14:36:51 pm} <fattratt_> Biblical story of Judith I think.

{14:37:28 pm} <fattratt_> And Verdi’s Aida perhaps.

{14:37:40 pm} <fattratt_> But I forget the details of both of those stories.

{14:42:19 pm} <lakitu> I mentioned doing this at work, but definitely a parent or maybe daycare provider could use this for edification, too

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{14:47:16 pm} <fattratt_> shalom

{14:47:55 pm} <lakitu> (- I obviously am not saying this is the only way to edify us, it is just a rather b****y way whose experience of immersion could lead to high-level performance performance & testing, than say 1-3 lines on an exam sheet. like a sport can require more performance, in physical education. so would this, but in Life, in conscientiousness, in mettle, etc.)

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{14:51:29 pm} <lakitu> (* – I obviously am not saying this is the only way to edify us, it is just a rather b****y way whose experience of immersion could lead to high-level performance & testing, than say 1-3 lines on an exam sheet. like a sport can require more performance, in physical education. so would this, but in Life, in conscientiousness, in mettle, etc.)

{15:02:20 pm} <lakitu> You could confabulate a false rumor about a young female teacher that she had had some compromising sexual experience (or drug, or whatever), & see who spreads it before authoritatively announcing it was an act to see who would spread a false rumor

{15:07:10 pm} <lakitu> …to be honest, you could do such a thing with your faculty too – the same sort of thing.

{15:07:16 pm} <lakitu> re doing this as a business.

{15:08:53 pm} <lakitu> – ‘ see what the rumor becomes on the wrong end of the telephone game.

{15:11:58 pm} <lakitu> – “she had sex with two students & there’s pictures!” it could become– & again, you’d need to issue a longlasting authoritative capstone denial, maybe with some kind of documentation beforehand outlining that it’s just a rumor, we’re doing this to test you, etc., that students could check out after & see, oh, so & so knew about this beforehand, there was documenting that this was a honeypot beforehand, etc

{15:12:32 pm} <lakitu> you could even hire a special teacher maybe to do this

{15:12:45 pm} <fattratt_> good night & may your dog walk with you !!!!!

{15:12:50 pm} <lakitu> lol

{15:15:31 pm} <lakitu> like a double teacher, who acts like a new, naive, young, perhaps attractive enough female teacher, but who is trained to overcome such a rumor setup – in on it with faculty, & the ‘like.

{15:16:34 pm} <lakitu> nighty-night fattratt.

{15:17:08 pm} <lakitu> ‘like a double teacher*

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{15:33:33 pm} <lakitu> you could do like a 15-30 minute gymnasium presentation – “”Mrs. Fields” is actually Robin Addleson; we hired her specifically to conduct this setup where we confabulate a false, embarrassing, damaging rumor about her to see who spreads the rumor even tho’ they can’t’ve known it to be true” etc

{15:34:42 pm} <lakitu> ((“since it’s false”, etc))

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{15:36:00 pm} <lakitu> uh oh

{15:36:30 pm} <JohnGuru> hi lakitu

{15:36:46 pm} <JohnGuru> don’t worry I’m not here to spoil your day

{15:36:51 pm} <lakitu> I’ll move this to my room

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{15:37:10 pm} <lakitu> continued:

{15:39:53 pm} <lakitu> …you could even push the envelope & say email a junior-high’ teacher a bait email fake offering revealing photos of say a female student – perhaps personalize it to them – but have it *really be from the junior high administration or task force dedicated to this*

{15:42:08 pm} <lakitu> “Mr. Anderson!! I wanted to show YOU my new bikini shots!! take a quick peek…” – supposedly from a 14 year-old girl to her junior-high’ teacher – but really a sort of phishing test by the administration.

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[15:28:38] <lakitu> wb Sioux.

[15:28:44] <lakitu> {15:37:10 pm} <lakitu> continued:

[15:28:44] <lakitu> {15:39:53 pm} <lakitu> …you could even push the envelope & say email a junior-high’ teacher a bait email fake offering revealing photos of say a female student – perhaps personalize it to them – but have it really be from the junior high administration or task force dedicated to this

[15:28:44] <lakitu> {15:42:08 pm} <lakitu> “Mr. Anderson!! I wanted to show YOU my new bikini shots!! take a quick peek…” – supposedly from a 14 year-old girl to her junior-high’ teacher – but really a sort of phishing test by the administration.

[15:31:39] <lakitu> that as the subject of the email.

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[15:46:22] <lakitu> back –some young woman is private messaging me with an urge to Snapchat with me . . .

[15:46:49] <lakitu> she’s fairly pretty–

[15:47:47] <lakitu> anyway:

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[15:56:44] <lakitu> computer froze

[15:56:48] <lakitu> I was saying:

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[15:56:52] <lakitu> computer froze

[15:56:54] <lakitu> I was saying:

[16:00:57] <lakitu> these these mini-espionage subterfuges don’t even have to be about illegal things; you could set up more social happenstance kinds of things, like tell students a teacher had some misfortune, with less empathy it could be mocked, ridiculed, derided, etc; & see who comes over & provides her consolation, & the polar opposite, who scoffs about her suffering

[16:01:21] <lakitu> – her bad luck.

[16:03:49] <lakitu> …all a fiction to cleverly bait more misanthropic citizens of the student body.

[16:04:37] <sol> you planning to hack a school social conscious?

[16:04:42] <lakitu> haha

[16:04:56] <lakitu> –that is maybe the Sol way to say it.

[16:05:13] <sol> bait the school student body?

[16:05:47] <lakitu> did you catch yesterday’s dialogue?

[16:05:53] <sol> nopr

[16:05:55] <sol> nopr

[16:05:57] <lakitu> ah:

[16:06:01] <sol> er nope

[16:06:03] <sol> what was the summary?

[16:06:04] * lakitu reads typoese

[16:06:23] <lakitu> https://joevalentyn.org/press/2021/06/07/that-was-big-of-you-joe-valentyns-idea-for-student-immersion-in-real-world-emergency-testing-of-mettle-conscientiousness-in-classrooms/

[16:06:28] <zhan> “That Was Big Of You!!” ⸻ Joe Valentyn’s Idea For Student Immersion in Real-World Emergency Testing of Mettle & Conscientiousness In Classrooms ⸻ ♡, Joe Valentyn

[16:07:04] <lakitu> that was me trying to title this.

[16:07:13] <sol> that was the topic?

[16:09:20] <lakitu> {14:45:31 pm} <lakitu> but for example, you could write symphonies in school, & still get all F’s. or be the people’s choice for most personable dudette in your school, & not have your report card needle even move at all

[16:09:20] <lakitu> {14:45:49 pm} <lakitu> for scoring, overall

[16:09:20] <lakitu> {14:47:08 pm} <lakitu> you could defend against bullies for special needs kids, the disadvantaged – you might even be WORSE OFF report-card -wise.

[16:09:20] <lakitu> {14:48:36 pm} * lakitu was going to school to be a teacher, but dropped out of college for it…

[16:09:22] <lakitu> {14:50:20 pm} <lakitu> might be a Love genius, they could give you straight C’s. that’s four examples

[16:09:37] <lakitu> {14:54:16 pm} <lakitu> & on that – say you had a “goodness” / being ethical / being moral / etc score: Conscientiousness’s spiritual battle is more like physical education in that you have to actually perform these pull-ups, push-ups, etc – you can’t just tick a box that says “I know to do 10.”

[16:09:37] <lakitu> {14:55:28 pm} <lakitu> you have to perform at being good rather than just in a made up example be able to navigate to the right answer. it takes courage to resist bad influence, etc….

[16:09:40] <lakitu> {14:59:18 pm} <lakitu> like the differencce between ticking a box that says “Write beautiful music.” & writing beautiful music. it takes more than just knowing to do it. actually doing it requires gifts & techniques beyond average ability levels.

[16:09:44] <lakitu> {14:59:29 pm} <lakitu> beyond the average level of abilities.

[16:09:46] <lakitu> {14:59:58 pm} <lakitu> ‘like the difference.*

[16:10:03] <lakitu> especially this:

[16:10:03] <lakitu> {14:54:16 pm} <lakitu> & on that – say you had a “goodness” / being ethical / being moral / etc score: Conscientiousness’s spiritual battle is more like physical education in that you have to actually perform these pull-ups, push-ups, etc – you can’t just tick a box that says “I know to do 10.”

[16:10:03] <lakitu> {14:55:28 pm} <lakitu> you have to perform at being good rather than just in a made up example be able to navigate to the right answer. it takes courage to resist bad influence, etc….

[16:10:05] <lakitu> {14:59:18 pm} <lakitu> like the differencce between ticking a box that says “Write beautiful music.” & writing beautiful music. it takes more than just knowing to do it. actually doing it requires gifts & techniques beyond average ability levels.

[16:10:09] <lakitu> {14:59:29 pm} <lakitu> beyond the average level of abilities.

[16:10:11] <lakitu> {14:59:58 pm} <lakitu> ‘like the difference.*

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[16:10:15] <lakitu> {15:05:54 pm} <lakitu> this is a little b****y of me to recommend, but imagine a school that had drills, except you didn’t know they were drills: e.g. someone has broke in; war has broke out; there was a chemical spill nearby – etc – again, pushing beyond the boundaries here, but: imagine that even teachers weren’t told yet whether it was real or not, & they had a emerge

[16:10:22] <lakitu> {15:05:54 pm} <lakitu> ncy discussion with their class – the brave would be separated from the unbrave, the just from the unjust, etc –

[16:10:25] <lakitu> {15:06:42 pm} <lakitu> & that could tell us– we’d tell them we were testing them afterward– who is really made of mettle.

[16:13:40] <lakitu> (* ‘like tell students.)

[16:17:16] <lakitu> it would be pretty hilarious faking e.g. a graffiti rondezvous that only the guilty party shows up to, armed with spray paint cans, after school out back. just him & the security, etc.

[16:17:40] <lakitu> that’s classic Americana goings-on.

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[16:21:23] <lakitu> with enough ingenuity, you might be able to suss out / deter gangs being joined, etc.

[16:22:30] <BigMick> (+BigMick) Who polices the government, banks and corporations if they ever commit any illegalities and punish them accordingly?

[16:23:25] <lakitu> “Ronnie’s got the coke & the tweens in a building downtown – it’s all free to you if you just show up…” some supposed gang member txt message or whatever.

[16:24:44] <lakitu> – some pseudo gang member txt message.

[16:27:47] <lakitu> (pseudo gang-member txt message.*)

[16:28:39] <lakitu> I wouldn’t be petty with this device, I’ve outlined the last two days. don’t try to catch someone taking a sandwich or something stupid, I guess.

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[16:30:05] <lakitu> there’s a certainly level where trifles are trifles & you don’t need to bring someone to justice for drinking half your soda pop.

[16:30:50] <lakitu> stealing a pencil, under normal circumstances, etc

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[16:31:13] <lakitu> not that many people would do that, but . . .

[16:33:00] <lakitu> (* with this device I’ve outlined the last two days.)

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[16:35:20] <lakitu> * there’s a certain level where trifles are trifles & you don’t need to bring someone to justice for drinking half your soda pop.

In this, I am “lakitu”: